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Resume is great for those without the knowledge of those without fancy shortcuts. It's great for everyone, but especially with those people in mind.
QuickTime won't open up two files at once, since most users just click the X button when they close a video. And when they re-start their Mac, it won't re-open since they've manually closed all video files with the X button.
You know more than that. So now you have the problems. Not they. But you've knowledge enough to work around that without any problems.


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Now think about it.
Computers nowadays have 4+ GB of RAM. Most users really don't need that RAM as they use their computers today. News sites, facebook (=Safari), Mail, iTunes, Preview, iPhoto and QuickTime.
Sometimes MS Office or iWork, Address Book, iCal and Skype, Adium or Microsoft Messenger.
They can start all apps at once (or when they need it) but in most cases, it won't use that full 4 GB RAM they have when all apps are opened.

Those people don't play games, other than Bejeweled. Apps like these, or for the sake of it, Photo Booth (you can try it out even on Snow Leopard!) close their apps when you press the red X button at the top-left.
If Photo Booth's main window is closed, there's no reason to be still active. So it closes.
On the other hand, MS Office shouldn't close for ease of access to create new documents, and it's a heavy application to start up (in comparison with Photo Booth).

Users at that level of computer knowledge shouldn't know about Command-Q. Some people could learn the command Command-W, but most users just stick to the red X at the top left of their window. And it stays in the RAM for quicker access to closed apps. They're not that heavy.


Then you got Mac users like you and me. Reason you visit these forums is already enough for me to know you're at a higher knowledge level than the group of people I just talked about.

You know how to operate a Mac. You use Command-Q and knows the difference between Command-Q and Command-W, while you also know when to use which one. If you need Photoshop a lot, you close just documents but not the entire program (if you haven't an SSD) as you know the burden to re-load the entire program. You can fully close iTunes to save that precious little RAM you need to render files in Blender or Maya. All bits help.
You know, iTunes is just a keystroke (F8) away. Press it once and it re-opens. Press it twice and it starts playing a song. No big deal.
 
Yes you can Q from Fullscreen as well.

Lion needs a lot of refining tbh imo.
- Fullscreen moves the App Window to a new Space, so now you can't CMD-<Insert Number> to get to a specific Space anymore.
- There's the issue here with Resume, and the issue where Resume automatically re-opens all Applications after an Emergency Shut Down (Options Box please? When using and Older Computer this can be deadly.....)
- Versions is a Time Machine on Wheels that saves everything. Every time you make even a tiny Spelling Correction, anything at all, it saves it. This is just pointless.

Apart from that, people still using the old Magic Mouse most likely have a clogged Scroll Wheel, with the new Window Re-Size from all Sides feature, those Users need to push the right side of the screen right to the edge of the Scroll Wheel.

And Finder (all Apps tbh...) still don't remember window position and sizing, need to re-size every-single-window, still.

About the bold quoted text:

I don't know (never tried it) but couldn't you:
  1. use the old Mac with FireWire to do the Target Disk Mode thingy, connect it to a newer Mac (use a Mac in your store if you haven't one, for goddess' sake :p),
  2. re-start that newer Mac with ALT pressed down,
  3. choose to start your old Mac's content at the newer system's startup menu,
  4. boot that newer Mac and let all the apps load,
  5. close all the apps you don't need,
  6. shut it down again,
  7. shut down your old Taget Disk Mode Mac and remove the FireWire cable,
  8. boot your old Mac again,
and have your old Mac to have no problems anymore with apps you closed the correct way.

Or am I wrong about it?
 
Personally I have found the auto resume feature a little annoying aswell, particularly when working in dreamweaver, photoshop and fireworks. In Mac OS Snow Leopard when I wanted to close the application and restart it would close all the windows and the application would launch without any tabs, but now when I close these applications and I want to edit 1 image all the tabs open up again, so I found myself having to close all the tabs before I can actually close the application itself. I hope that made sense :eek:.
 
Or add an option for whether you want to enable Resume or not. Not only because of the 'video' problems you all talk about, but because it's very annoying to save your Word doc, quit, open Word tomorrow again and that old doc keeps popping up...
 
resume sucks when an app freezes in full screen and even force quit the computer doesn't help as that dumb program continues to run at the same spot after reboot
 
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I thought this story was headed towards he left a porn window open and quit and his wife re-opened it and found a surprise. There should be a way to disable resume for this reason alone, lol.

Reasonably good chance that was the actual story, and the one here is the SFW re-enactment.
 
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QuickTime won't open up two files at once, since most users just click the X button when they close a video....

Did you personally test this in Lion or is it an opinion? I am asking, because it is exactly this behaviour that the article tells us is happening: If a user opens a new quicktime movie later on, the application resumes previously opened movies as a part of the restore feature.
 
It really doesn't make sense to restore all previous windows when the user opens the program by double-clicking another document. This behaviour makes sense if the user opens the program by the program icon, nothing else. But I guess, it's the ios way... In ios there is no document paradigm, just applications.

I suppose this is one of the issues that can come from using a file-system in an OS which is being optimised to hide the file-system.

I'm in the habit of using the good old automated "open file with..." feature too. I rarely open an application itself.

Maybe a more powerful preview mode is needed to kick in when a file is double-clicked, which temporarily ignores application state? Or maybe, as many people suggest, cmd+w is simply the new cmd+q.

This feature is going to take a lot of refinements to get right.
 
If you ever become a parent then you'll understand it.

Nope, sorry, that's just incredibly tacky. Nothing to do with becoming a parent. In fact, I asked my own parents about this and they were just as astonished as I was. Births are disgusting, no need to romanticize them.

On the other hand, the kind of person who videotapes a gooey foetus plopping out of a bloody vagina and WATCHES SAID VIDEO IN THEIR SPARE TIME really shouldn't mind a co-worker getting a glimpse of such a Lynchian masterpiece. It strikes me as weird that someone would tape such an event and rewatch it, yet at the same time be horrified that A STRANGER might see the disgusting video. Hell, I'd just feel sorry for the co-worker.
 
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A question for anyone currently running the developer version of Lion: what is the current resume behavior for Safari in private mode? Does it open the last window upon launch, even if private mode was activated for the last browsing session?
 
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One of the big new features in the upcoming OS X Lion is auto-resume for all applications. The feature comes from iOS where the distinction between open and closed apps is blurred, as every app will resume right where you left off.

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From Apple's OS X description of the Resume feature:Jeremy Laurenson, however, writes about a potentially embarrassing situation he ran into while running OS X Lion. Laurenson reports that he and his wife had been watching his wife's delivery in Quicktime Player and later quit the application. In OS X Lion, this saved the state of the video and windows, leaving him a surprise when he later launched a movie for a colleague:Laurenson sees this causing "all kinds of issues" as people adjust to the new system.

Update: Alternatively, you can apparently turn this feature off in Lion as a global setting, but not per app.

Article Link: OS X Lion's Resume Feature: A Cautionary Tale
I realized this from the first time I saw the preview.

Many solutions.
1. Don't watch porn.
2. Use Quicklook to watch porn
3. Use alternate app (VLC) to watch porn and Quicktime for non-porn videos
3a. If you stream porn, chose a specific browser for streaming porn
4. Learn to use Cmd + W
5. (not sure if this will work) Keep porn on external hard drive, disconnect drive before using computer in front of other people
6. Stop watching porn on computer, switch to "post-PC" device
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profit ?
 
Nope, sorry, that's just incredibly tacky. Nothing to do with becoming a parent. In fact, I asked my own parents about this and they were just as astonished as I was. Births are disgusting, no need to romanticize them.

On the other hand, the kind of person who videotapes a gooey foetus plopping out of a bloody vagina and WATCHES SAID VIDEO IN THEIR SPARE TIME really shouldn't mind a co-worker getting a glimpse of such a Lynchian masterpiece. It strikes me as weird that someone would tape such an event and rewatch it, yet at the same time be horrified that A STRANGER might see the disgusting video. Hell, I'd just feel sorry for the co-worker.
Hold on while we all adjust our tastes and standards to match yours.
 
I realized this from the first time I saw the preview.

Many solutions.
1. Don't watch porn.
2. Use Quicklook to watch porn
3. Use alternate app (VLC) to watch porn and Quicktime for non-porn videos
3a. If you stream porn, chose a specific browser for streaming porn
4. Learn to use Cmd + W
5. (not sure if this will work) Keep porn on external hard drive, disconnect drive before using computer in front of other people
6. Stop watching porn on computer, switch to "post-PC" device
...
profit ?

7. Stop worrying about other people knowing about your porn habits. Seriously, who cares? Are back in the 50s or something?

Also, 8. Do not videotape women in childbirth, it's digusting.
 
I have had this problem with Lion myself where I was looking up birthday presents for my wife, and then when I went to show her something on the computer clicked on safari and all the pages that I was looking up popped up, I had to pull away the computer quickly which of course left her suspicious!
 
I never actually liked this idea/feature from the beginning. Even if you are watching a movie. Most people turn it off (quit) at the end credits so this means every time you open a new movie you have to close the old one. Its just adding more clicks and hassle. It's not making things more efficient its slowing things down.

The same with documents. Usually you quit the app when you've finished working on something. Now when you restart you have to close the file you dont need.

I dont like this feature it will get very annoying, very quickly.

Versions puts me on edge too. Being a designer you always try new things and if it doesnt work/look right you dont save it. If its autosaving all the time its going to cause havoc. Everytime I open a new doc I'm going to have to tell it 'not to autosave' which again is more clicks. Throughout the working day all this extra farting around will add up.

Lion isn't looking to great an update but I guess I'll just have to see.
 
I never actually liked this idea/feature from the beginning. Even if you are watching a movie. Most people turn it off (quit) at the end credits so this means every time you open a new movie you have to close the old one. Its just adding more clicks and hassle. It's not making things more efficient its slowing things down.

That's because you're h̶o̶l̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ using it wrong! Just avoid h̶o̶l̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ using it in that way! :p
 
Nothing to do with becoming a parent...

...a gooey foetus plopping out of a bloody vagina
Lol! Yes, because that's exactly how most parents see the occasion. In fact I could have sworn in the pregnancy clinic here I saw leaflets entitled "So, you're expecting to plop a gooey foetus out of your bloody vagina?".

Anyway, to be honest, I didn't want to videotape my Son's Birth, so I do agree with you somewhat. (In fact, I kinda wish it wasn't an expectation for the Father to actually be with the Mother, instead of in the pub, these days!) But fair play to anyone who does. Afterall, it's pretty much the most celebrated event of anyone's life.
 
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I really doubt that I am going to use the resume feature in Lion. Apple's window management (Cmd+Q, Cmd+W) was just about perfect in Snow Leopard and I really cannot see the benefit of resume in Lion.

If Apple had made Resume a per-file basis (in that it stored the state of the application and the file to that specific file) then I would probably be on board. Then when you open the document that you are interested in, it would be in the state that you left it.... that is useful.

I also feel like Versions has a lot of unknowns in my mind too, but maybe it will turn out alright. Is there a way to turn Versions off in the System Preferences?
 
Question:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding Resume and Auto-Save, but Pages still prompts me to save after I've made changed to a document and I go to close it. Or am I trying to close the document too soon?
 
I haven't used the DP but I would assume that if you close the instance, i.e. movie, doc, image, etc. and then you quit the program then when the app is relaunched, you won't get that instance since it wasn't open at quit. I for one close windows prior to closing apps. If I am watching clips in QT, I close each clip after watching it, and then I quit QT. I would think relaunching QT wouldn't bring up any of those clips since they weren't open when I quit.
 
I haven't used the DP but I would assume that if you close the instance, i.e. movie, doc, image, etc. and then you quit the program then when the app is relaunched, you won't get that instance since it wasn't open at quit. I for one close windows prior to closing apps. If I am watching clips in QT, I close each clip after watching it, and then I quit QT. I would think relaunching QT wouldn't bring up any of those clips since they weren't open when I quit.

Of course that is how it would work but its adding an extra step to the process of quitting when the whole point of resume is to save time/convenience.

The only time its going to be convenient for me is when I restart my Mac for whatever reason (which is hardly ever). The rest of the time I have to manually close the windows instead of just quitting. Its going to be as annoying as the 'history' page popping up on the iPhone when you just want to type an address in the address bar (you have to exit History first) - so annoying!
 
A more apt question would be, why the **** would you want to rewatch a delivery?

Your wife is in incredible pain, and has probably never looked worse in her life. Sure, joy of birth and all that, but the joy comes because of the end product, not in the actual process of giving birth- which is easily the most traumatic and physically painful part. Why you or your wife would want to relive it strikes me as creepy. Is it a regular routine? ie. watch the delivery on Friday nights?
 
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Ran into a similar problem when closing and reopening Preview the other day... :eek:

I am turning this "feature" off.
 
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