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10.8 seems to be a strong release, the direction seems focused. Not surprised.
 
Well, let's look at a couple of other issues as well... IMMEDIATELY, after Mountain Lion installs, AND you TRY and start various, STANDARD, applications like mail, contacts or Safari, be REAL careful what happens.... Let's start with 'Contects' (address book) ... On my install TODAY, the initial setup thought my old pop mail account was in fact an iCloud account... UGLY. So, the way that Mountain Lion looks at 'contacts' as part of 'mail' and iCloud is a bit odd. Mountain Lion could not figure out who it was or what it was or where to go to find out when trying to 'update' my contacts database (217 entries) .... It just sits and churns in a loop FOREVER. Luckily, I was sitting at a Genius Bar, otherwise I would STILL be trying to figure this out. A 'genius' helped me by deleting some .plist files (he did it too fast for me to follow) but it was not fun.

THEN, because the initial setup process thought my old pop account was an iCloud account and allegedly messed up my 'contacts' database, when I started the Mountain Lion MAIL client, things got REAL strange... the new Mail just IGNORED almost all of the mail FOLDERS in my mail client from Snow Leopard... Just ignored them... I had to retrieve my latest Time Machine back-up and get my old email folders from that back-up. NOW, I have to IMPORT these into the new Mountain Lion mail client... This will take hours...

All in all... UGLY. AND, I was at an Apple Store !!!!!

You should have asked them to clean your keyboard while they were at it. Your shift key seems to be randomly getting stuck.
 
Then explain why almost every thread about ML should be fair game for people to complain they have not received their code yet.

I don't know about every thread but I simply told my story on this thread because of this

"With Apple having just released new and updated models of its popular MacBook Pro and MacBook Air machines last month, many users are eligible for Apple's Up-to-Date program, which offers a free upgrade to Mountain Lion. Apple has, however, been experiencing some issues with the program, with a number of users only just now receiving redemption codes to allow them to download OS X Mountain Lion."

found in the original article.
 
Looks like Lion was Apple's Vista. That's all changed now. Totally happy.

I stayed with Snowy when Lion arrived due to too many legacy support issues (rosetta mainly) I doubt I will fully adopt ML too for the same reason. Lion on other folks Macs seemed slower and glitchier too.
That doesn't put Lion in the same league as the slow motion car crash Vista was. I will make a ML drive on my Mac Pro and see if I use it more than my Windows 7 one. Wouldn't be hard, I only use Win7 to flash GFX cards once in a blue moon.
 
Obvious, because people want to get away from Lion.

Unfortunately, ML does not fix the scrollbars.
 
my big gripe with 10.8 Lion is the lack of support for my main mac pro 8 cores of 3ghz xeon 16gb ram..powerful graphics cards
but not powerful enough to save text edit documents to icloud...my arse :)

come and register a vote of protest if you have an orphaned mac pro, share your grief :)

https://www.facebook.com/AppleBringMountainLionSupportToEarlyMacPros

Heh, I felt that way with my G5. Don't sweat it though, I'm nearly joining you after Mountain Lion. Since Mountain Lion is the last version for the early 08's. So sad though considering these have 64bit EFI.

Unreal when you think about it how so many Intel Mac's are going through the PowerPC phase all over again.
 
I partitioned my drive last night and installed ML this morning. When I first logged in I thought I was still in lion. I can't really tell the difference yet.
 
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From the age of the OS sure. Lets take Mac OS X 10.0 instead if you like. Microsoft's support cycles are simply ridiculous.

The entire business and corporate world disagrees with you. And hundreds of millions of users who have to work for the money that they spend on software also have a different point of view - they love Microsoft for making their investments last.

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I bet the majority of that 97% doesn't even know ML exists yet. I actually think ~3% isn't bad for the first 48.

I think it's easier to get a three percent adoption rate when only 10 people use your stuff than it is when 1000 people use it. That's the ratio of Mac users compared to PCs. 3% just sounds more impressive than giving a real number. There are more people out there that are still using Vista than there ever were Mac users...
 
The entire business and corporate world disagrees with you. And hundreds of millions of users who have to work for the money that they spend on software also have a different point of view - they love Microsoft for making their investments last.

I stopped responding because "age of the OS" is simply the most BS criteria there is to "compare" software with. Support duration by the vendor and feature sets be damned, let's just compare software based on age. :eek:

Comes back to my whole point : his initial comparison was BS. No sane person can think OS 9 and XP are even comparable.
 
It didn't change. ML still has the same crappy scrollbars.

Dude, for me anyways, the scroll-bars are a totally minor issue. Didn't even know about that till some people mentioned it.

The os otherwise runs very slick. and that on it's own is work every penny of that upgrade.

When I upgraded to Lion on my MB Pro 13 (mid 2010), I had to roll back to SL. This time, it's running ML like a dream.

Great work apple. Now just get your ***** together on the iphone. If it's just stretched out, you've lost me.
 
Please publish a story at 4, 5, 6, 8, heck even 10% traffic. If it gets over 15%, pizza party for all. 20%, double it.

If it actually reaches a plurality - or heaven forbid a majority - free cake for all.
 
The entire business and corporate world disagrees with you. And hundreds of millions of users who have to work for the money that they spend on software also have a different point of view - they love Microsoft for making their investments last.

Show me one person who _loves_ Microsoft.

And did you know that in the last quarter, Apple sold more Apple TVs than Microsoft sold XBox 360?
 
Show me one person who _loves_ Microsoft.

That wasn't at all what he said. He said that IT people love vendors with clear, defined support roadmaps and that offer LTS so that migrations are kept to a strict minimum.

These are corporate entities, you don't have to love them as such and in fact, you shouldn't _love_ companies at all. They don't love you.
 
That wasn't at all what he said. He said that IT people love vendors with clear, defined support roadmaps and that offer LTS so that migrations are kept to a strict minimum.

These are corporate entities, you don't have to love them as such and in fact, you shouldn't _love_ companies at all. They don't love you.

What he said. And I personally never had a problem with Microsoft except the boot up and shut down times of Vista which are greatly improved with windows 7 but still behind OSX.
 
it still amazes me how many people are willing to just jump on a version 0 of a major software update, without waiting to see if there are problems, or at least until version .1

In general you're absolutely right: however you can safely regard ML as a "fix pack" for Lion, in that it fixes (or at least "improves" - see full screen support which still isn't quite there where it should be...) many broken things.

So all major applications that I quickly tried kept running, so "no big changes under the hood"! Except Firefox which had a small graphical hickup, which was quickly fixed my upgrading from 14.0 to 14.0.1 (which is already available since several days!).

Plus some iDiotic things have been partly reverted, you get back the "Save as..." functionality, applications (such as QuickTime viewer!) don't open all recently opened documents anymore (why the **** would I want to have the last 10 videos automatically opened since the last time I had QuickTime open?!) - unless you want to. Etc. etc.

Yes, there are some new features such as Reminders and Messages which in theory could introduce more bugs than before... err... wait, they did not exist before ;) But unless you use them they should not bother you anyway.


Agreed, I still have to test some printer and sound card drivers, now you have to manually download the X11 driver from some external Sourceforge site (as to run Gimp - don't worry: OS X will kindly provide you the proper URL ;) but so far it was a very smooth upgrade (admittedly on some "I don't care what happens" MacBook Pro installation - my productive system is still on Snow Leopard ;))

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The unusable scrollbars and the lack of Rosetta are the major FAILs of both Lions.

You can revert the scrollbars to the previous behaviour: "always visible" - if that's what you meant...
 
OS share

I think it's easier to get a three percent adoption rate when only 10 people use your stuff than it is when 1000 people use it. That's the ratio of Mac users compared to PCs. 3% just sounds more impressive than giving a real number. There are more people out there that are still using Vista than there ever were Mac users...


http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

- less than half of Apple OSX users are running 10.7 or 10.8
- Windows 8 share is 6 times larger than 10.8
- Vista share is equal to the total Apple OSX share
- Windows 7 + Vista is larger than XP
- Windows 7 has almost caught up with XP, and should shortly be on top

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