Yes, but the post-move rearrangment isn't as pretty in 10.5...
But it was more natural. This ordered layout makes me feel suffocated.
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But it was more natural. This ordered layout makes me feel suffocated.
Cause you're really gonna open that amount of windows? Just take a look at how many open programs are down there!
Finder is a joke that's still waiting for its last laugh. I still can't believe Apple hasn't fixed it. Yes, the apologists will say whatever they want to fool themselves into thinking Finder just "works".
Things that seriously need consideration for Finder:
- Quit ALL windows on a single keystroke
- Decide what it wants to be. Currently it's skirting the line between a file manager and a file browser.
- Cut. Windows does this marvelously and don't give me some convoluted bullcrap about how it's "destructive" or what not. (like dragging icons out of the Dock isn't destructive enough, or how about the side bar?)
- Sidebar being more useful than just a bunch of shortcuts that poof out of existence when I drag them out (destructive again!)
----Suggestion: Items in the left sidebar can be dragged to the dock, since they both seem to be on the same plane of existence (poof to nothing)
- Better icon spacing. Holy cow, the next time Finder opens with a 50 row x 2 column view that doesn't automatically fit to content space when I drag the window border. Currently I have to drag it to a more rectangular view, and the right click and clean up (why does it not have auto cleanup??)
- Quick Look being tied to the window behind and overwrites the window commands behind it. How many times have I focused out of the quick look window to find that I'm now focused on the Finder window behind it? What ever window has Quick Look open will select quicklook whenever I select the window. I hate Quick Look blocks part of the window, when I select it, QUicklook still looks but is now out of focus.
- Quick Look having its own shortcuts, cmd - F in Quick Look sounds like it's going to go Full Screen, but NO! cmd-F makes the Finder window BEHIND it do a full system wide search, making your quick look screen show a pointlessly stupid looking search icon.
Now that Finder is in Cocoa, I can now take it more serious as it's in a platform to expand hugely over the next few years. Adding features to an age old Carbon app is quite a pain. iTunes, better hurry up!
The new one is better. You've just enjoyed the mess and haven't really tried out a cleaner desktop.
I agree that the original expose feels more "natural" but it is quite useless. I am a developer and find it probably one of the most pointless window features (every single window looks the same since I code on them, so i have to mouse over every window... further more, windows aren't always in the same places so if makes it even more annoying. The SL expose solves a lot of these problems)
Furthermore, previewing windows is expose is a HUGE deal for coders. You can now just expose, no... Dock expose! into your xCode, everything is laid out properly, preview the mainApplication class to get a general overview of the class structure, and go back to your original file. Gotta keep this kind of user interaction up Apple, doing well here.
I program too, and to me, Dock Exposé is the equivalent of just Exposé with the selected Application, which I have assigned to F5. I don't like to use the mouse too much unless it's absolutely necessary because it disrupts work flow.
From what I understand all apps in OS X access the same elements to create their UI and it is just a matter of replacing those elements with the new. Shouldn't be that huge of a project. I would think most of the time would just be in actually DESIGNING the new interface.
Ya. The buttons and sliders aren't bad and that is what I kind of imagine "Marble" to look like since Apple is using it on MobileMe and iLife and iWork etc. But those dark menu bars YUCK!!!
Here is someone who actually uses his mac. All you people who say finder is awesome only use their macs to use chat programs and browse the web. May I suggest you switch to chrome os. You wouldn't even know the diference.
I quoted the whole thing above so that you can read it and understand all our pain when we heard that French dude at wwdc say that they love finder and they will not make any changes to it. Oh the pain. Another year( at least )of wishing and waiting until they will get their act together to fix finder. My only hope is that they don't say again "we love finder and left it the way it is".
Finder is the least functioal and least intuitive program apple has ever made.
I hurt and feel like crying that apple have a whole bunch of noobs working on finder if at all. Quicklook is a separate project which is just pasted atop finder, it does not mean apple is working on improving finder.
I have a sneaking suspicion the Finder is going to take a back seat when SL is released. I've been using SL for a while now and I find myself using the finder less and less as each seed comes out. This is probably why Apple said they decided not to change the finder.
Indeed. "Windows Explorer" IZ THE RULEZ
tru that, except it used to crash on me too often, but the usability, looks and functionality is such a higher standard than what finder is.
well, they better do something to make up for how crap it is. Apple has no neat way of organizing large libraries of movies. Don't say itunes because itunes is a joke when it comes to movies and support for different formats.
I will be relieved if they make something to offset finder's incompetence, but i still think we deserve a descent file browser.
This part sums things up pretty well. With the transition to Cocoa, they'll be able to do brand new things with the file manager that haven't been done before, hopefully improving Finder along the way. Unfortunately, it seems like much of the actual execution of Snow Leopard's new under the hood features and APIs, we'll have to wait until 10.7 to really see what they can do.
Finder
Here's a few things I would like in the Finder.
(just to add to what other folks have said)
* Mixed window style browsing.
my most common example is the ability to have Column view for the bottom of a coverflow window.
* When Copying/moving files I want to see what file/folder it currently copying/moving.
I just want details. Number of files/folders done vs. total files.
* Cut/paste of items
* Better built in FTP/WebDav support
* The option for an address bar (The Open folder menu option is not a proper substitute)
* Show the hidden options that can be turned on in the terminal in the standards preferences options. (like showing path, style of path, etc.)
* Have all the hidden ._ files for file info kept in a hidden subfolder or something ? I hate seeing 2x as many files when I take my drive to other operating systems.
* A little more theme control or options, I know the theme is nice, but it would be nice to be able to switch it up just a bit; even if it was just the ability to switch some of the looks to be more like old OS X themes.
* I'd like a right-click or menu option for 'open path in terminal' but I know that wouldn't be useful for everyone.
* A refresh option, there are plenty of times I've created a file, and I cannot see it in the finder yet, but it will show up in a programs 'open file' dialoge box
* When a file/disk image/removable drive/etc. is 'locked' it would be nice if the error could tell you what file(s) are locked, by what user(s) and what application(s).
* Better stability, (I'm guessing this will be helped by moving away from Carbon.)
* More informative messages, prompts, errors, statuses, etc. even if it is a drop down/window expansion button or an option that can be turned on in the preferences.
Here's a few things I would like in the Finder.
(just to add to what other folks have said)
* Mixed window style browsing.
my most common example is the ability to have Column view for the bottom of a coverflow window.
* When Copying/moving files I want to see what file/folder it currently copying/moving.
I just want details. Number of files/folders done vs. total files.
* Cut/paste of items
* Better built in FTP/WebDav support
* The option for an address bar (The Open folder menu option is not a proper substitute)
* Show the hidden options that can be turned on in the terminal in the standards preferences options. (like showing path, style of path, etc.)
* Have all the hidden ._ files for file info kept in a hidden subfolder or something ? I hate seeing 2x as many files when I take my drive to other operating systems.
* A little more theme control or options, I know the theme is nice, but it would be nice to be able to switch it up just a bit; even if it was just the ability to switch some of the looks to be more like old OS X themes.
* I'd like a right-click or menu option for 'open path in terminal' but I know that wouldn't be useful for everyone.
* A refresh option, there are plenty of times I've created a file, and I cannot see it in the finder yet, but it will show up in a programs 'open file' dialoge box
* When a file/disk image/removable drive/etc. is 'locked' it would be nice if the error could tell you what file(s) are locked, by what user(s) and what application(s).
* Better stability, (I'm guessing this will be helped by moving away from Carbon.)
* More informative messages, prompts, errors, statuses, etc. even if it is a drop down/window expansion button or an option that can be turned on in the preferences.
And this made me laugh even harder.
The Finder is a piece of crap compared to Windows Explorer.
hmm, hopefully this is a bug that will get fixed before release, I have CS3 also, and am not looking to upgrade until CS5
Is there a way to remove the gray background in CS4? Thats the only thing thats keep me from using it since I mostly drag things into the program from the desktop from quick editing.
I hate having to minimize it everytime to do that.
Here's the future of file/movie browsing. After using it for a long time I find it better than the finder.
http://gallery.me.com/cmcdan#100103
Any way to turn off icon preview mode inside stacks in Grid/Fan view? This is one thing that seems to still really cause problems for the system - dotted-line outlines FTW though right?
The 'recent items' stack that you can add with the help of Terminal does not load icon previews, and is all the better for it. Speaking of that, I wonder if it will ever make it in as a more visible option.
Edit: If that's the future of file browsing, count me out. I have to say I'm quite surprised that they're turning off HDs on the Desktop in SL by default (so far), and Grid view in stacks is my least favourite view - filenames longer than 10 characters = curtains, and no on-the-fly sorting = fail, not to mention no view customisation. They spent so long trying to kill off icon view in Finder, and now they're pushing something far worse - and the sorting that can be done in stacks doesn't work so far in SL either. Maybe there is more to come, but I think I'll stick to Finder windows.
The 'recent items' stack that you can add with the help of Terminal does not load icon previews, and is all the better for it. Speaking of that, I wonder if it will ever make it in as a more visible option.
Edit: If that's the future of file browsing, count me out. I have to say I'm quite surprised that they're turning off HDs on the Desktop in SL by default (so far), and Grid view in stacks is my least favourite view - filenames longer than 10 characters = curtains, and no on-the-fly sorting = fail, not to mention no view customisation. They spent so long trying to kill off icon view in Finder, and now they're pushing something far worse - and the sorting that can be done in stacks doesn't work so far in SL either. Maybe there is more to come, but I think I'll stick to Finder windows.
