OS X Yosemite 10.10.3 Public Beta With Photos App Now Available

[inssy2588]

Photos App works great, love the new look and no issues moving my library over from iPhoto. I'amore concerned that I now have Bluetooth and other bugs that were not there before. Not sure how this bugs come into play when they weren't there before.

Otherwise, very happy with the update and looking forward to the GM

 

[bryanzak]

Does PHOTOS allow you to make Calendars and print Books, like iPhoto?
If so, are they any different?

Yes you can do all the same print products. I'm not that familiar with calendars, but my wife is and says that it looks pretty much the same. There are a bunch of themes though and she didn't look at all of them.

A variety of Book options are there too.

Print options look to be better/easier than iPhoto

 

[AppleP59]

Photos is clearly not an app for your usage.

They could still use it.
Just don't integrate iCloud.

can you keep using iphoto and photo or once you make the move to photo is that it?

You can keep using it.

 

[unobtainium]

I have 10,200 photos in my library, according to Aperture. I imported this library into the new Photos app, which also says I have 10,200 photos. So far so good.

But only 3,000 photos have been uploaded to iCloud (according to "Manage My Storage"), and a further 2,934 are currently being verrrrry slowly uploaded according to the Photos app. So there should be another 4000+ photos being uploaded, but apparently they're not. As far as I can tell, all my photos are in the app on my Mac, but the iCloud numbers don't seem to add up.

 

[CaTOAGU]

Does PHOTOS allow you to make Calendars and print Books, like iPhoto?
If so, are they any different?

Yes. Options to create; books, calendars, cards, slide shows and to order prints are available under the File menu. I've not explored much further than that yet, so can't comment on any differences.

 

[JasonNewEngland]

I haven't heard too much about how well videos taken with the iPhone camera work with the new Photos app and iCloud. I take a lot of videos and Apple spends a lot of time hyping the video camera in their keynotes but video management seems like an afterthought for them.

Have people had a good experience with their videos in the cloud (my library is about 500gb) or is it better that I create a second Photos library and save the videos in that one?

 

[CaTOAGU]

Can I delete my old iPhoto library now? I have iPhoto Library.migratedphotolibrary and Photos Library.photoslibrary now.

I've not tested extensively but it looks like you could yes. I trashed my iPhoto library and the Photos app opens and works. But, as this is a beta release I'd make sure you have backup of the old file just in case.

 

[robgendreau]

Waiting for the stable 1.0 version (i've a very large database of quite 1TB data ) i've some questions:
- i shoot RAW + JPEG: how these files will be considered by the new Photo app ? One only file or 2 ?
- there'll be always the choice to downgrade (months by months ?) from a larger plans to smaller one ?
- leaving the full version of each photo in iCloud and the smaller one on desktop what happens when want to edit a photo ? Photo app automagically download the full version on desktop ? Or we can edit only the smaller one on desktop and then automagically the editing will be upload to iCloud and applied to the full version ?

1TB can be not enough: any news about larger plans (hope also Apple will release better price ...).

Frankly i'm disappointing that Apple not creates a BACKUP of our iCloud photo library: i really hope Apple can add this important feature ASAP.

The FAQ says if you have more than 1TB, slim it down. JPEG and RAW are rather duplicative, so you have a lot of space to regain. The idea is also that the photos are sort of the same on all devices and in the cloud. It passes the info back and forth, not necessarily the photo. So I'm not sure I'm getting the "full" vs "smaller" distinction.

 

[CaTOAGU]

Annoyingly there's no Time Machine integration either. Meaning you can't browse previous versions of the library for a single photo, only restore a complete library.

 

[robgendreau]

FYI

If you use the 'Faces' Feature, it does not work well in the BETA. Faces you had set carry over, however all those faces of randomers in the crowd who you spent hours clicking the 'x' so they wouldn't show up? Well there back. Currently working my way through over 3,000 faces, and you can't select more than one at once

Yeah, this seems terribly clunky. I decided to start again (I'm using a subset of an Aperture library to test; no way I'd commit a big library to a beta test). But I have to do like three clicks per photo; it's super slow. Is there some way to apply one name to several faces at once?

Also, if you have a referenced Aperture library note that Photos isn't smart enough to recognize that; it will, unless you change the default, copy all those referenced photos into its managed Photos library.

 

[AppleP59]

Quite impressed this the Face detection. It is able to identify faces even with sunglasses and a hat.

 

[Belmont31R]

Hoping for an answer to this as well.

I copied the old iPhoto library to an external drive and then moved the library to trash and deleted. No change to my photos in Photos app and freed up around 15GB of space on my Mac.


So no problems with deleting it so far. Just save a copy of the file somewhere else in case you need it again in the future.

 

[oliversl]

Wow, this iPhoto version looks too amateur, the UI is just ugly as it can get. And I don't think the UI will change much for the gold version.

 

[Paragonal17]

I copied the old iPhoto library to an external drive and then moved the library to trash and deleted. No change to my photos in Photos app and freed up around 15GB of space on my Mac.


So no problems with deleting it so far. Just save a copy of the file somewhere else in case you need it again in the future.

Oh, cool! Thanks for the help!

 

[thomamon]

I love Photos to manage my phone photos. But for my professional libraries from Aperture, I think I will stick with Aperture.

 

[Mac Eagle]

FYI

If you use the 'Faces' Feature, it does not work well in the BETA. Faces you had set carry over, however all those faces of randomers in the crowd who you spent hours clicking the 'x' so they wouldn't show up? Well there back. Currently working my way through over 3,000 faces, and you can't select more than one at once

Oh please tell me this isn't true! I just this week finished going through the last 6000 photos with faces that needed cleaning up. I am down to 0 unidentified faces. I will not go through this again! I have over 65,000 photos.

First iMovie, now iPhoto... looks like I will be forever stuck on the old versions.

 

[jml12286]

Update: so my 45GB library only took about an hour to convert into photos.
SO far so good, I like the layout and that it separates videos, slo-mo, and panoramas.

 

[Icaras]

This is scaring me a bit. Reading through this thread and looking at the times it is taking to perform some of these functions is making me hesitate now, and for the final release.

While I won't be uploading my Aperture Library, I use iCloud photos stuff only for my phone, I will eventually want to convert it. If it is taking this long to do things on smaller libraries, what is something like mine, 450GB and roughly 80K photos going to take? Is Photos even anywhere near capable of handling that large a library?

Wow, that is certainly is going to take a while depending on your upload speed. I forgot to mention that my upload speed is 6 mbps. And it looks like your going to need the 1TB option.

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Comparing upload times without knowing the Internet connection speeds is not super helpful. Look at your own connection and do some rough math about uploading that size of library. I think your library size is probably close to the edge of the bell curve, so any cloud storage might not be for you. 1TB is $20 per month from Apple, but if you have a 40 down 10 up DSL then patience is your friend.

Yea i totally forgot to mention that. Doh! My upload speed is 6 mbps.

 

[bryanzak]

Oh please tell me this isn't true! I just this week finished going through the last 6000 photos with faces that needed cleaning up. I am down to 0 unidentified faces. I will not go through this again! I have over 65,000 photos.

First iMovie, now iPhoto... looks like I will be forever stuck on the old versions.

Photos is better than iPhoto in almost every way. And for those with larger libraries there's no comparison, the speed is fantastic.

That said, it's 1.0 and there are teething issues. This issue of previously deleted faces coming back during iPhoto to Photos conversion is a clear bug to me. I've reported using the built-in Feedback Assistant which connects to Radar. I encourage others to do the same.

Might not be fixed in 1.0, but hopefully 1.0.1 and then I can move my iPhoto Library over and am looking forward to it. It's really the only show stopper I've found so far for me personally.

 

[tdale]

There are fixes for the wifi issues. At least they did for me. Google and try

What issue did you have? MY RMBP starts in 12 seconds and Safari is online, now, maybe since last or next to last update, it takes another 10 secs maybe to be online. Stable still though once online

 

[justperry]

When did your wifi issues begin? With Yosemite?

Yes, and I never before (from 10.0b to 10.5.8 and 10.8-10.9) had those issues.

 

[vixster1901]

Yes, and I never before (from 10.0b to 10.5.8 and 10.8-10.9) had those issues.

try deleting wifi in network settings and then +(add) it back in.
and also go to wifi/advance and delete all networks you are not using..

I am enjoying the read of photo app reviews... I hoping for the best. has anyone tried it with a 650gb library?

 

[redkamel]

so far so good here. am exploring Photos (and it's icloud options). easy for me, my entire photo library is under 2gigs! gonna take a bit to adapt to it, but looks good. wish i had more control (or any control?) over what albums etc sync to the cloud...

also, the dreaded Mail app typing lag seems to be gone.

we'll see how things go over the next few days...

I agree. It would be nice if you could send iCloud friendly sizes to be stored/synced in the cloud. Perhaps in the future.

Only images "copied" into Photos sync to iCloud. However, once in iCloud, you cannot move them out unless you export, delete from iCloud, and then move the image in without copying it.

That means:
If you are iPhoto user and don't want to fill your iCloud photo library up, turn off the "copy photos" option in preferences. Keep your images organized in your own folders. These photos will not go to iCloud.

In Aperture terms, managed files sync to iCloud, but referenced ones don't. You can consolidate images (all or some) but you can't make them referenced again!

As I do not plan on buying gigs of iCloud space, I will probably make all my images referenced and then my iPhone snaps will be in iCloud by default. At the end of the year, I will export them, delete them from iCloud, then reimport them without copying. Thus my iCloud should stay pretty light with photos.

 

[catfish743]

Not brave enough to waste time on it here with a big library. We gave up on iPhoto when Apple pulled the LAN sharing out a few versions back, not that it was ever great, but a handy feature nonetheless. And iPhoto has serious issues with large libraries and it's too brain-dead to make it convenient to support multiple libraries other than just the basic ability to create multiples and option-click to load a different one when launching the app. iPhoto has a habit of corrupting the library catalog and losing photos. I had let my primary photo library climb north of 1TB in size and my wife's wasn't too far behind.

I guess I appreciate the iCloud data sharing abilities and interoperability with various devices. But it's not the only solution people want. All the cloud stuff lately feels like one step forward and two steps back. Sometimes I just want to share a bunch of photos I take at one of our kids events over to my wife's computer. My choices are slow and inconvenient iCloud, or pull up her computer and sign in to copy a folder full of pics over the network so she can load them, or dump the pics to a flash drive and walk them over via old fashioned sneaker-net. But yeah, the real issue here is the poor handling of large libraries or attempting to catalog multiple libraries.

So the brief look I've had at the dev version of Photos recently shows some improvements over iPhoto. But it's not up to snuff with LightRoom or what we have with Aperture. I've got the family trained on LightRoom and that's probably where we'll stay for the time being.

I'm not very keen on Adobe's products, though I use them on occasion. I'm curious to know how people will integrate other apps to add functionality back that was lost from Aperture.

But I appreciate the insight and have had quite the few scares myself about corrupted libraries. I'm also glad to know that I'm not the only one above 200 GB of photos.

 

[rotlex]

Wow, that is certainly is going to take a while depending on your upload speed. I forgot to mention that my upload speed is 6 mbps. And it looks like your going to need the 1TB option.

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Yea i totally forgot to mention that. Doh! My upload speed is 6 mbps.

Yeah, I wouldn't actually upload the existing Aperture Library, just too big, but I'm hoping the new app can at least handle that size database, 450GB\80K images, without issue. Aperture handles it quite well even with an 8 year old iMac. (Yeah, I know, I keep saying I'm going to upgrade)!

I'd like to be able to continue what I do with Aperture in Photo's. Namely, use the local database for all my non phone images, and keeping using iCloud for the phone stuff.