OSX Lion not worth it, not impressed, nothing new

[palpatine]

Buying Lion is a complete waste of $30. There is nothing new. Plus Rosetta is not in there so that means 2 apps I use all the time would be worthless. But even if it did have Rosetta, still not worth it.

Mission Control is nothing more than a re-named Expose that adds switching to different Spaces. Not impressed.

Multi-touch gestures are already present in Snow Leopard. I can already go back and forward in Safari using gestures now...they just added a little effect of seeing the old page scroll off to the right or left of the screen. whoopi.... Now Safari doesn't have a scroll bar. WOW!!! Innovation (sarcasm)

I use gestures right now for everything. To bring up Dashboard, Expose, Spaces, Navigating in windows (safari, finder)..... again nothing new.

I could go on and on.

I think Apple is running out of ideas of innovation in an operating system and are just re-naming things after making them look a little different. Kind of disappointing. But then yet, what else can one really do to an OS....

Apple won't be getting any money from me. I'll stick with my Snow Leopard thank you very much until I see something really new.

One thing they could do is make the OS have an artificial AI that you interact with. Now that would be cool! Tell the Mac to open up Text Edit and have it type what you say like a secretary would, or tell it to Google something and it instantly opens up Safari and does the search for you. Ask it what the weather's like and it opens up The Weather Channel in Safari and tells you the current conditions + forecast (using voice) while you look at it.

Ones imagination is the limit with this. The OS would even have it's own voice that responds to you. Now that's innovation....

i guess we watched different feeds of the keynote address. in mine, apple radically re-engineered everything to finally make it so that computers are beginning to realize their potential as things of beauty, elegance, art, and productivity. computers have often seemed like glorified calculators and word processors to me over the years, but this is the culmination of a trend to make them something more, and this is the first operating system i am actually excited about.

the stuff that you seem to want is not ai, but voice recognition. it exists. install dragon naturally speaking or some other app like that if you want to chat up your computer. i don't really want to be hanging out in an office or coffee shop with a bunch of people yelling at their computers, but if that is your idea of a better operating system, then you can have it right now

personally, in terms of getting things done (gtd), i can type a lot faster than i speak. the integration of everything (ios 5, lion, icloud, the trackpad, etc.) is going to change everything. again.

EDIT: Oh, and it is only 30 dollars. Incredible.

 

[Treeman574]

Looks interesting, the most useful features for me will be the dropbox and autosave features. Overall more aesthetic changes than productive ones, I imagine I'll miss the scroll bar once it's gone. Hopefully there options for the older layout / design hidden in system preferences somewhere.

Launchpad just makes your screen look like an ipad, but without the touch screen (new feature for 2012 models maybe?). Not really useful if you know how to use the dock.

The lack of an install disk is annoying. If I can't do a fresh install on an ssd for my macbook pro, then I won't be upgrading until that is done.

 

[sniffies]

Agreed with the OP 100%.

I still use Mac OS 9.2.2 and refuse to upgrade.

 

[Bernard SG]

This kind of thread...
I watched the keynote, I'm not afraid to say: Lion is revolutionizing desktop computing.
Like they love to say at 1, Infinite Loop: "It changes everything. Again."

 

[Žalgiris]

Don't get upset that facts are being pointed out here.
Windows 8 = looking innovative.
Windows Phone 7 = looking innovative
OSX = still awesome but hasn't moved much in the last few years
iOS 5 = playing catch up with other OS' (android like notifications, hard button camera now) and is plain boring now after using it for 4 years.
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Nice trolling with no clue whatsoever, pal.

 

[Cougarcat]

I'll miss the scroll bar once it's gone. Hopefully there options for the older layout / design hidden in system preferences somewhere.

There's an option to keep the scrollbars visible.

The lack of an install disk is annoying. If I can't do a fresh install on an ssd for my macbook pro, then I won't be upgrading until that is done.

You can do a fresh install.

 

[admmasters]

Now this is a truly innovative and AMAZING new feature.

If Apple wants its OS to be a serious contender with, as much as it pains me to say this, Windows 7 and 8 it really, really needs to revamp OS X and keep it separate from iOS.

With Lion, unfortunately, they seem to be moving in the opposite direction and it remains to be seen how "serious" users (as opposed to iOS aficionados) will react to the new OS.

Windows 8 like a tablet OS and doesn't seem 'serious', it also looks like it's got Windows 7 underneath, great revamp! Scrolling through those tiles with a mouse is not going to be a lot of fun. At least I can use Lion with a mouse.

 

[joelovesapple]

John Dvorak sums up my critique of Microsoft's OS in This Week in Tech. Go listen to that. I'm not about to type it all out. A major step up in the UI is worthless if it's a stupid step.

Next, you guys haven't used the Lion previews. That's cool; if you have a laptop, you're going to adore it. The combination of the fullscreen apps and the simple swipe to move between the full screen apps is beautiful for productivity. I've been off the developer previews for a full month, and I still miss that feature so much.

Is that the In Beckys' Pants episode? Can't see anything else referring to what you mean... Got a link please?

 

[jacobson00]

i wished it was 19.99

 

[roadbloc]

Nice trolling with no clue whatsoever, pal.

I agree with him actually though. And I like Apple products.

 

[ri0ku]

God some of you Apple users are ***** pathetic and childlike. I feel so bad that people like to own the same brand as I do. You pay $300 for over priced hardware and complain and they release a $30 COMPLETE OS UPGRADE that took hundreds of thousands of programming and graphic design hours to put together.

Spoiled brats and worthless post.

Lion has a ton of things to offer. If you are unimpressed, name some features that you'd like to be put into Lion what would impress you.

Go.

Agreed

If they were charging £130 for it I could slightly agree with some of the moaning..however its $30 which will likely be £29 here in the UK. That is a fantastic price for a whole OS update. Especially when windows 7 versions are costing around the £120 and upwards mark.

 

[ri0ku]

i guess we watched different feeds of the keynote address. in mine, apple radically re-engineered everything to finally make it so that computers are beginning to realize their potential as things of beauty, elegance, art, and productivity. computers have often seemed like glorified calculators and word processors to me over the years, but this is the culmination of a trend to make them something more, and this is the first operating system i am actually excited about.

the stuff that you seem to want is not ai, but voice recognition. it exists. install dragon naturally speaking or some other app like that if you want to chat up your computer. i don't really want to be hanging out in an office or coffee shop with a bunch of people yelling at their computers, but if that is your idea of a better operating system, then you can have it right now

personally, in terms of getting things done (gtd), i can type a lot faster than i speak. the integration of everything (ios 5, lion, icloud, the trackpad, etc.) is going to change everything. again.

EDIT: Oh, and it is only 30 dollars. Incredible.

I agree with most of this too, but you can type faster than you speak? Really?... that is a bit farfetched. Unless you have a speaking disorder I guess.

 

[paulsalter]

Definitely worth the price and has lots of new features

apart from that I am not impressed, the only feature that is making me want to upgrade is getting iCloud so i can keep my devices in sync like they do now

other features/new looks to things i will want to turn off as many as possible

 

[Duluth Baptist]

For those complaining that Lion is taking some iOS features, have you seen what Windows is doing? They are actually designing an OS that is intended both for desktops and tablets.

I was skeptical when I saw that there were going to be iOS-like features in Lion, but following the keynote I am pleased. The first major feature is the application screen, which isn't normally visible and is easily selectable. The second major feature is the increased use of gestures, which to me is a brilliant direction for Apple to be taking.

The issue with touchscreen computers has been discussed, but it bears repeating: in practical terms, it isn't easy to hold your arm up to touch a computer monitor with any frequency. Tablets can rest in your lap or be held like a book, which makes some more sense, but on a desk a touchscreen computer gets old in a hurry. Apple has spoken of this, and their solution is to fully integrate gestures into the computing experience. It looks great. With a Magic Trackpad I can manipulate the UI in a number of helpful ways without even moving the cursor. The primitive multi-touch offered on Windows computers pales in comparison.

I think Windows 8 is intriguing, but they are trying to accomplish two things at once. Lion upgrades some things, but it doesn't re-invent the wheel. That suits me--I like OSX already.

 

[Thunderbird]

Buying Lion is a complete waste of $30. There is nothing new. Plus Rosetta is not in there so that means 2 apps I use all the time would be worthless. But even if it did have Rosetta, still not worth it.

Mission Control is nothing more than a re-named Expose that adds switching to different Spaces. Not impressed.

Multi-touch gestures are already present in Snow Leopard. I can already go back and forward in Safari using gestures now...they just added a little effect of seeing the old page scroll off to the right or left of the screen. whoopi.... Now Safari doesn't have a scroll bar. WOW!!! Innovation (sarcasm)

I use gestures right now for everything. To bring up Dashboard, Expose, Spaces, Navigating in windows (safari, finder)..... again nothing new.

I could go on and on.

I think Apple is running out of ideas of innovation in an operating system and are just re-naming things after making them look a little different. Kind of disappointing. But then yet, what else can one really do to an OS....

Apple won't be getting any money from me. I'll stick with my Snow Leopard thank you very much until I see something really new.

One thing they could do is make the OS have an artificial AI that you interact with. Now that would be cool! Tell the Mac to open up Text Edit and have it type what you say like a secretary would, or tell it to Google something and it instantly opens up Safari and does the search for you. Ask it what the weather's like and it opens up The Weather Channel in Safari and tells you the current conditions + forecast (using voice) while you look at it.

Ones imagination is the limit with this. The OS would even have it's own voice that responds to you. Now that's innovation....

Not sure if serious.

I'm not overly impressed with Lion either, but to say "there is nothing new" is pretty silly. There are lots of new features, big and small, certainly more than Snow Leopard had when it debuted.

Lion is a bargain at $30.

 

[MindlessJD]

God some of you Apple users are ***** pathetic and childlike. I feel so bad that people like to own the same brand as I do. You pay $300 for over priced hardware and complain and they release a $30 COMPLETE OS UPGRADE that took hundreds of thousands of programming and graphic design hours to put together.

Spoiled brats and worthless post.

Lion has a ton of things to offer. If you are unimpressed, name some features that you'd like to be put into Lion what would impress you.

Go.

Very well said.

I started using Macs back when Tiger was around because I preferred it to Windows. Considerably more. Leopard was a welcome improvement to a great OS. Snow Leopard was a great improvement to a great OS. See where I'm going? Lion is the next step and at a great price. I for one will certainly be buying Lion and will enjoy using it.

Windows is still Windows to me and I will stay a Mac user.

 

[roadbloc]

Overall, I'm not very impressed with the features in Lion, however, since it is £20, there is no reason why not to upgrade. As long as I can do a clean install that is. If not, I'll be sticking to Snow Leopard.

 

[wankey]

There is simply too much fail and pathetic idiocracy crap in this thread.

The new animations and touch gestures are great. The complete revamp of the overall graphics in Lion are also great. What more do people want? A completely new experience? A completely new UI? Why break something that works well? Don't use the iPad interface if you don't want. Nobody is forcing it down your throat. Don't upgrade if you're not impressed. Stay with Snow Leopard.

The problem is with most people on this thread is that they are living in the era of spoiled children.

Instant satisfaction, no patience and little to no actual tolerance of what things really mean.

Things that take extremely talented programmers 8 hours a day to work on, 5-7 days a week to finish, and scoffed at and shove away. Who do you people think you are?

You understand that for the price of working 4 hours at McDonalds, you can get the most modern operating system that exists on the planet right? For the price of cutting someone's lawn, you can have a million lines of code in your finger tips.

It's ridiculous how people are so quick to justify whether they are impressed or not. For the price of a good dinner, you can own a modern operating system.

 

[MindlessJD]

There is simply too much fail and pathetic idiocracy crap in this thread.

The new animations and touch gestures are great. The complete revamp of the overall graphics in Lion are also great. What more do people want? A completely new experience? A completely new UI? Why break something that works well? Don't use the iPad interface if you don't want. Nobody is forcing it down your throat. Don't upgrade if you're not impressed. Stay with Snow Leopard.

The problem is with most people on this thread is that they are living in the era of spoiled children.

Instant satisfaction, no patience and little to no actual tolerance of what things really mean.

Things that take extremely talented programmers 8 hours a day to work on, 5-7 days a week to finish, and scoffed at and shove away. Who do you people think you are?

You understand that for the price of working 4 hours at McDonalds, you can get the most modern operating system that exists on the planet right? For the price of cutting someone's lawn, you can have a million lines of code in your finger tips.

It's ridiculous how people are so quick to justify whether they are impressed or not. For the price of a good dinner, you can own a modern operating system.

Well said again. People make it sound like Lion is stripping away features that are in Snow Leopard. It's not. It just has many new and better features with all the same stuff as Snow Leopard.

Like you said, tons and tons of coding and work has gone into this and for just $30 or £21 people are moaning.

To put it in perspective, I bought RapidWeaver from the Mac App Store for around £20. For roughly the same amount, I can have the most modern operating system available.

 

[Outsider]

AGREE WITH OP One Bazzillion %!

1. Apple WANTS $29 for this??? They should be paying ME!

2. What about all my System 6 apps!! I have dozens of apps that will be obsolete when Lion comes out!

3. I heard on cnet that when Lion comes out, it will seek out 68K and PPC apps on your computer and delete them, even if you NEVER LOADED it on your computer! WTF Apple!

4. Marketing fail! Unlike a real lion, it will not growl and chase down prey on the savannah! What the triple fist flying EFF, Apple!

5. No cure for cancer in Lion yet? How long have we been waiting for that one simple feature? WHO doesn't want that? How much longer do we have to wait???

That's it. I just through my iPhone and iPad out the window and am getting DROID'd up as soon as possible. As soon as I hit submit on this comment, this MacBook Pro is going in the wood chipper as well.

GOOD RIDDANCE, CRAPPLE!

 

[FroMann]

^ Hahaha! Best post in the thread.

I don't see why people are looking at Lion to be a huge upgrade, its just a good upgrade for 2011 at a cheap price, Apple is probably more focused on iOS since it is making them more money compared to OSX.

 

[MindlessJD]

^ Hahaha! Best post in the thread.

I don't see why people are looking at Lion to be a huge upgrade, its just a good upgrade for 2011 at a cheap price, Apple is probably more focused on iOS since it is making them more money compared to OSX.

"A good upgrade for 2011" - I couldn't agree more. It is the start of making computers do some of the simple things for us that they ought to do - such as autosaving and cloud syncing and all that. It's a good step forward.

I sometimes wonder if people would moan less if each new update had a different UI. Then it would LOOK different and obviously better. IDK.

I think people forget that this is 10.7 technically it is only an update to 10.0. And I'll tell you what, it's a bloody good update and significantly so for the price point. I'd take an upgrade like this each year at this price point without question.

 

[wikus]

I'm not all that impressed by Lion either. Its basically just an applications update, the low price reflects that so I'm not pissed.

HOWEVER,

The lack of TRIM for non-apple branded SSD drives and lack of Expose's spatial view between windows and application windows is ridiculous.

 

[petvas]

"A good upgrade for 2011" - I couldn't agree more. It is the start of making computers do some of the simple things for us that they ought to do - such as autosaving and cloud syncing and all that. It's a good step forward.

I sometimes wonder if people would moan less if each new update had a different UI. Then it would LOOK different and obviously better. IDK.

I think people forget that this is 10.7 technically it is only an update to 10.0. And I'll tell you what, it's a bloody good update and significantly so for the price point. I'd take an upgrade like this each year at this price point without question.

I have been using Lion for quite a while and I appreciate some of the features. I had to restore my Snow Leopard installation today because of some major issues with the mail.app, so now I am (temporarily) back to Snow Leopard. The feeling of using Snow Leopard after having used Lion is unexpectedly good. Don't get me wrong here. I am certainly getting Lion, because I believe in evolution of things in general and because of some features, but Snow Leopard is the last OS that reminds me of the PC era. I feel better using it, especially Expose and Spaces.
I am not a big fan of mission control, launchpad and resume. I understand why they had to come and I am sure that people with no computing background will find Lion much easier to use, but I am a power user and I want more than that. Having said that, when I install Lion again, I will disable Resume and try to make Mission Control work for me. Apple has listened to its beta testers who wanted a global switch for Resume, and the latest dev preview has it! Now Resume can be disabled...
The things I love in Lion are the new Safari, Mail and iCal. The new spotlight is also great, as are the multitouch gestures. I still prefer the old Finder compared to the new one though. Apart from the aforementioned features, I don't see many things that are better than Snow Leopard.

Another great thing about Lion is that the server components are an add on which I will certainly use.

I have mixed feelings about Lion: Some things I love, other things I hate. Maybe when Lion loses the beta feeling it currently has, I will like it more. In the meantime I will use Snow Leopard, because there won't be a way to update from Developer Preview 4 to the final version of Lion. People that don't know that are apparently no beta testers, or haven't read the release notes. (which I have )

 

[ClearRPG]

I do agree with you on some, except I hate the fact they are making the computers more simple and like phones. Yes great it is easy to use, but you lose features actually. Anyone know what I mean?