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Outputting iPhone Apps to a TV: Moto Chaser Demo

UGH! It's not a TV!

Ok, the demo is cool and all, but can we stop calling an external monitor a TV? In about a year or so every device we used to call a TV (analog, interlaced, cathode ray tube monitor with VHF/UHF tuner) will cease to exist. Calling a modern LCD or plasma display device a TV is silly. The TV is dead, let it die! Do you call your computer monitor (which is pretty much what the TV has become in the digital age) a TV? No!

Sorry, pet peeve!
 
MrCrowbar said:
That's the IR sensor. There's an infrared light in the wiimote that the sensor bar can track. The iPhone only has an IR sensor so it turns off the display when you hold it against your ear (proximity sensor). I was lalking about the tilt sensor which seems to be very rudimentary on the Wii.
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No, I wasn't talking about the IR either. Back in late 2006 before the IR data could even work with Wii controller apps on the PC I tested it. The app read yaw, pitch etc. Lol, why would you think I was talking about the IR sensor?
 
dagger01 said:
Ok, the demo is cool and all, but can we stop calling an external monitor a TV? In about a year or so every device we used to call a TV (analog, interlaced, cathode ray tube monitor with VHF/UHF tuner) will cease to exist. Calling a modern LCD or plasma display device a TV is silly. The TV is dead, let it die! Do you call your computer monitor (which is pretty much what the TV has become in the digital age) a TV? No!

Sorry, pet peeve!
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The line is blurring. I watch EyeTV on my external monitor via software, or if I need to watch TV in a hurry I'll switch on the Freeview box plugged into the Composite input on my Dell monitor. And a friend of mine bought a 24" monitor because it was cheaper (and supported full HD) than a 24" TV that he uses only for playing console games on.

IMO the only thing that seperates them now is that a monitor doesn't come with a built in Freeview receiver since they all have ports and inputs to support everything (TV's with VGA/DVI, monitors with RCA/S-Video).
 
raggedjimmi said:
No, I wasn't talking about the IR either. Back in late 2006 before the IR data could even work with Wii controller apps on the PC I tested it. The app read yaw, pitch etc. Lol, why would you think I was talking about the IR sensor?
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Well, you said something about distance to the TV (thus sensor bar). Sorry :p
 
dagger01 said:
Ok, the demo is cool and all, but can we stop calling an external monitor a TV? In about a year or so every device we used to call a TV (analog, interlaced, cathode ray tube monitor with VHF/UHF tuner) will cease to exist. Calling a modern LCD or plasma display device a TV is silly. The TV is dead, let it die! Do you call your computer monitor (which is pretty much what the TV has become in the digital age) a TV? No!

Sorry, pet peeve!
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I do not think that many people call a computer monitor a TV. But people do call the new plasma's and LCD's TV's, just like every called the old tube television a TV.
 
dagger01 said:
Ok, the demo is cool and all, but can we stop calling an external monitor a TV? In about a year or so every device we used to call a TV (analog, interlaced, cathode ray tube monitor with VHF/UHF tuner) will cease to exist. Calling a modern LCD or plasma display device a TV is silly. The TV is dead, let it die! Do you call your computer monitor (which is pretty much what the TV has become in the digital age) a TV? No!

Sorry, pet peeve!
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My pet peeve is dumb people.... why is this not a TV? how do you know its not a TV? Can you tell if it has a built in tuner or not? the difference in my computer monitor and my 50inch plasma is that my plasma has a built in tuner which allows me to watch broadcast television and works as a stand alone TELEVISION with no need for external sources of input, whereas my monitor has no built in tuner and in order to display video needs to be hooked up to an input source cable box/computer/playstation... Also, any Modern LCD or Plasma has this built in Digital Tuner, so IT IS A TV. AND Those old CRT tvs, and whatever else you are pretending to know about (ie interlaced, analog,cathode ray tube (crt) blah blah)), also have tuners in them, analog tuners that will be useless in a couple of months when we make the digital switch, but tuners none the less. Anyway im just saying the built in tuner is what separates the TV from the monitor. Just because one is analog and one is digital doesn't currently qualify or disqualify it as a TV. You actually couldnt be any further from correct on this issue Because actually those old (what you call TV's) are going to become monitors in February because they will not work without some external video source. So long live the new Plasma and LCD TV's, and you have fun with your tube Monitors comes Feb.

PS: learn to properly use ( )
 
Using the iPhone's Video Out for browse in the internet

I think you should see this post. These guys changed the feature of
SDK for using the iPhone as a laptop. Look like sailing in and the internet while they see everything through the TV.

http://applediario.com/en/

After seeing this, I am beginning to believe that the iPhone will be the replacement of computers as we know them
 
Steering is wrong

I'd love to see instead of steering (rotating on the Z plane: the plane coming out of the player towards you ) like a car you'd think they would program the steering like a motorcyle (twist/torque in the Y plane so that turning left would be the resultant of bringing the left side of the player toward you and the right side of the player away from you; and vice versa for turning right.

It would simulate a more real experience.
 
dagger01 said:
Ok, the demo is cool and all, but can we stop calling an external monitor a TV? In about a year or so every device we used to call a TV (analog, interlaced, cathode ray tube monitor with VHF/UHF tuner) will cease to exist. Calling a modern LCD or plasma display device a TV is silly. The TV is dead, let it die! Do you call your computer monitor (which is pretty much what the TV has become in the digital age) a TV? No!

Sorry, pet peeve!
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Ok so my old CRT TV is just going to disappear from my room when they switch to digital ? nope thats why they made the digital tuner set top box, not everyone can afford a LCD/Plasma HD TV yet.

another thing is that if you can't tell the difference between a TV or a monitor you should not even say anything cause it makes you look stupid.

LCD/Plasma HDTVs have a built in tuner wile a monitor does not. oh i would suggest you look up what TV means. thats why they call the new LCD/Plasma HDTV and not HD-monitors.
 
SkeffMBP said:
This would be neat if they somehow linked it with Apple TV - no wires running from your iPod/iPhone to your TV, but you have access to all of your apps on the "big screen." If this happens, the Apple TV could become a business mainstay - link it up to a projector, the possibilities would be endless.
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I would think that with MacWorld '09 will come a big announcement having to do with this, AppleTV, and the Mini. I think they have a lot of potential here and I think we can all agree that there isn't much big that's due for an update other than the mini and apple tv. When say big I mean thats gonna shock people. MBP 17" and iMac, and possibly 32 GB iPhone are all new things, but not shockers... MWSF is all about shockers recently.
 
kcroy said:
Is there a device that sends the iPhone/iPod touch screen image to a television or projector? (The Apple Keynotes use them.) I would love to use one for a presentation I am doing at eTech in Columbus on apps for education.

Help.

Any links or info would be most appreciative.

K Croy
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Hey Croy, when is this presentation? I am a student at Bryant University in Smithfield, RI and I'm working on trying to get iPhones and iPod touches worked into academia and the school as part of tuition (ACU-like). I have found a couple conferences and summits that I want to go to with school admins, but I'd love to hear more about eTech and your presentation in specific. Any details would be great! Also if anyone else sees this and thinks they might know of a good conference or event for me to know about private message me please... thanks!

Luke
 
Luke1robb said:
I'm thinking wireless connectivity is something to come big time if Apple plans on making this a real deal.... MSWF '09
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Yeah, without wireless, it would be like the gamecube all over again. Apple would not sell anything, because nowadays, everyone wants wireless.
 
Donald Doom said:
I think you should see this post. These guys changed the feature of
SDK for using the iPhone as a laptop. Look like sailing in and the internet while they see everything through the TV.

http://applediario.com/en/

After seeing this, I am beginning to believe that the iPhone will be the replacement of computers as we know them
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Am I missing something? I clicked the link and it takes me to the game demo. I would love to see the internet surfing on the larger screen. It would be Apple has finally given a piece of the netbook many have been craving for a 3rd party will finish it off.
 
DubbleDuecer said:
My pet peeve is dumb people.... why is this not a TV? how do you know its not a.......
PS: learn to properly use ( )
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a) Learn to use paragraphs - it's so hard to read massive blocks of text.
b) Another difference is that the DPI on monitors is higher - as we typically sit ~1m from a monitor and ~3m from a TV.

The Apple 30" Monitor has a higher resolution than a 46" LCD TV.

BarneysPosse said:
ohh they never get old.
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That'll get you arrested.
 
puffnstuff said:
God you don't even know how long I have been waiting for something like this..http://olo-computer.com/

although I do not think the olo concept will ever materialize but someone somewhere will make something similar
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Ya, I'll be first in line for a reasonably priced sub-note sized dock for the touch. This is really the "final piece" of that puzzle. There's been demos of keyboards connected to the iPhone already, so with this it could be a pretty decent mini computer.
My only concern is the output resolution of the iPod using this method?

alexbates said:
Yeah, without wireless, it would be like the gamecube all over again. Apple would not sell anything, because nowadays, everyone wants wireless.
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Not sure what parallel you're trying to draw here, but the GameCube had the best wireless controller of its generation, hands down.
 
qpawn said:
That's what she said. :cool:
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LOL, good one! Been using that phrase for a while now. Real ice breaker for business meeting, provided there are no women present. Looking at my statement, I was really asking for it. Kudos.
 
mrgreen4242 said:
Not sure what parallel you're trying to draw here, but the GameCube had the best wireless controller of its generation, hands down.
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Sorry, I didn't know that the GameCube had a wireless controller until now. Back in the days, I remember everyone that had one, only had wired controllers.
It bet it was no where near as good as the current controller on the Wii. This is what I am hoping that Apple will use in what will hopefully be a future Apple TV controller, something similar to the Wii's remote (with the accelerometer that Apple has included with the iPod Touch and iPhone).
 
alexbates said:
Sorry, I didn't know that the GameCube had a wireless controller until now. Back in the days, I remember everyone that had one, only had wired controllers.
It bet it was no where near as good as the current controller on the Wii. This is what I am hoping that Apple will use in what will hopefully be a future Apple TV controller, something similar to the Wii's remote (with the accelerometer that Apple has included with the iPod Touch and iPhone).
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In the last gen (the XBox, PS2, and GC days) no system shipped with wireless controllers. The WaveBird was Nintendo's add-on wireless controller and it was good enough that when the 360 and PS3 were being demoed early on, most reviewers were using the Wavebird as the benchmark for the now-bundled wireless controllers for the "next gen" systems.

Now that they're not produced anymore they actually command a bit of a premium in the used market because they are Wii compatible (using the GC controller ports) and lots of people swear by them for games like Super Smash Bros.
 
overanalyzer said:
Apple should absolutely pursue making this an option for app developers. Since they're pushing the iPhone and iPod Touch as a gaming platform and games are clearly a major chunk of the App Store, the idea of being able to basically take a TV gaming platform with you in your pocket would be excellent. Add in wifi for multiplayer controls and this could be the new Wii (i.e. innovative gameplay and controls over just raw performance and graphics). Here's hoping by the holidays in 2009 we'll be playing iPhone games on TV while visiting family. :)
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Sounds like the future will definitely be brighter for the iPhone gamer!
 
Dr. Cabrera said:
gee how about you read the article -__-

They stated that they had to modify the game a bit in order to have it run ( they did it in about 3 minutes). they disabled the intro screen and had the gas button set to on all the time



yes because we all want to pay an exorbitant price tag for a machine ( appleTV) who's only purpose is to stream media ...

Your idea makes absolutely no financial sense. There are way more iPhones sold out in the market compared to iTV's, and more importanly the two markets really don't intersect that much ( except for apple fans)


think about it this way, which will sell better

a) A game that requires a person to buy an iTV and an Iphone just to play

or

b) A game that runs natively on the iphone AND also support an OPTIONAL TV out option

Option b makes the most financial sense because there will be people who don't want to shell out more money for accesories ( such as the $50 apple A/V cables)
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I would imagine if Apple were to conceive of such a concept, they would include an iPod touch with the AppleTV. A simple downloadable app would allow you to use your iPhone if you want. The premise is not that far fetched. But you're right, they wouldn't make you buy two devices, you would just buy one package with both devices.

The real problem would be pricing. You would have to sell both for about $200 - $250 to be competitive.
 
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