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Outputting iPhone Apps to a TV: Moto Chaser Demo

I think this is awesome, I've always wanted the ability to display my iPhone on a larger screen. If this works with games that would be great. :D

Also, if for some games, they could even have the main game on the TV, and the buttons could be on the iPhone display (if they could figure that out). Allowing you to free up the game screen of overlaying buttons. Of course it's not good for gaming on the go but, still a cool idea. :)
 
HiRez said:
...draw to both the tv out and internal screens simultaneously (with different content).
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i.maverick said:
this really is cool.. but it won't be much fun if it has to be bound by the tv out wire..!!:p
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philskillz said:
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5G77 Safari/525.20)

I can see this and the new Bluetooth 2.2 integrated somehow.
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LimeiBook86 said:
Also, if for some games, they could even have the main game on the TV, and the buttons could be on the iPhone display (if they could figure that out). Allowing you to free up the game screen of overlaying buttons. Of course it's not good for gaming on the go but, still a cool idea. :)
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This would be ideal. You could sit on your couch and use the iPhone/iPod as a wireless controller/console with it's own display. Kinda like a DS with a much larger, detached second screen.

Wireless broadcast to a Mac or Apple TV hooked up to a TV or monitor. Gameplay video on your TV and customized controls on the iPod/iPhone. I would bet that this setup already exists in some form in Apple's labs.
 
What about wirelessly to an AppleTV?

The AppleTV could process the video signal itself ....

That would be awesome.
 
zombitronic said:
This would be ideal. You could sit on your couch and use the iPhone/iPod as a wireless controller/console with it's own display. Kinda like a DS with a much larger, detached second screen.

Wireless broadcast to a Mac or Apple TV hooked up to a TV or monitor. Gameplay video on your TV and customized controls on the iPod/iPhone. I would bet that this setup already exists in some form in Apple's labs.
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Yea, the redfly companion allows you to mirror the windows mobile phone through bluetooth connection. So I assume the touch and iphone could possibly be capable of doing something similar. I'd hate to see the price of the iPhone/Touch wireless connection adapter though. I can't even find any AV cables that work with the touch except for the one that costs $50.:eek:
 
FANTASTIC!!!

Does it mean that it is possible to use the iPhone and iPod touch for Keynote and PowerPoint presentations on videoprojectors much as when using a laptop?

Something like this is possible with the iPhone and iPod touch?

Impatica ShowMate
http://www.impatica.com/showmate
 
SkeffMBP said:
This would be neat if they somehow linked it with Apple TV - no wires running from your iPod/iPhone to your TV, but you have access to all of your apps on the "big screen." If this happens, the Apple TV could become a business mainstay - link it up to a projector, the possibilities would be endless.
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Ya that would be very cool :)

Also, now that the video is on the TV and the iPhone screen is blank, imagine what they could do with the blank iPhone screen and putting interface and control elements on there as like a secondary DS screen or something :) They could do some really cool stuff, and not just with games. It would be like the laptops with the main screen and then a secondary multi-touch trackpad screen. Have iChat video chats on your big screen and control things on your iPhone at the same time. Throw news, stocks, music, anything from your iPhone to the big screen with controls on the iPhone screen while the big screen does the serious displaying :) I am loving this concept! :D
 
Dr. Cabrera said:
Man I posted about this earlier and no one gave a damn
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/609488/

Now its on the front page and everyone is interested :confused:

Anyways, this is pretty monumental stuff for the hacking community

this brings us one step closer to being able to use the iPhone as a mini computer
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God you don't even know how long I have been waiting for something like this..http://olo-computer.com/

although I do not think the olo concept will ever materialize but someone somewhere will make something similar
 
puffnstuff said:
I'd hate to see the price of the iPhone/Touch wireless connection adapter though.
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I'm not sure that there would be a need for a wireless connection adapter. Almost every hardware product that Apple sells has built-in WiFi, and Apple TV and iPod Touch are the only two major devices that do not have Bluetooth.
 
I think we might see Apple developing this into the Apple TV, it has a bright future, combine it with an ipod touch or iphone or some sort of new remote like that and you have a killer device.
 
kdarling said:
I wonder why it slows the application down?

Pretty poor video out implementation. Other phones have video out with no reported slowdown.

No wonder they didn't natively enable video for all apps.
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I believe, from the article, that it is running at a higher resolution on the TV screen than it does on the standard iPod touch screen. This resolution increase would explain the slowdown.

From the article:
For my testing, I hooked the first generation iPhone up to a 42-inch television. The widescreen video-out matched the television aspects, using 853-by-480-pixel output dimensions. (On the iPod touch, the same code produces 640-by-480-pixel output instead.)
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There's two ways that Apple can go with this:

1. Download/transfer the app to your AppleTV, and let it do the heavy graphics computation, while relying on the iPhone as a wireless controller.

This would be the most powerful & slickest interface - no cables, good framerate, high quality picture. This would be awesome, and would sell (I think) a *lot* more AppleTVs, because it's now a serious gaming device (especially if this is the only way to get games on your tv). However, I don't think Apple will push this. I think they'll go with...

2. Use your iPhone with a cable (no bluetooth/wireless box attached to your TV - is this really worth Apple pursuing if they already have the AppleTV?) just like in the video, and keep things simple (but slow). Sadly, this seems more realistic, at least in the short-term, to me.
 
wow that's pretty crazy. From that youtube video it seemed to play back very well on the tv. Should be interesting. Hope apple allows this to future developers.
 
BRAVO - About time, but 1.5 years too late!

Apple should have had this from day 1 they sold the video connection cables! The lack of this functionality is why I returned the cables. Also it should give the option to show the iPhone interface full-time for Springboard and all as well! All applications should be outputted without special API usage.

I submitted this suggestion to Apple in the past.

Apple also needs to offer a combined video out cable - combine component & composite into one cable set! Also add a DisplayPort/HDMI cable or combine all the aforementioned into one. It's bad enough having to carry along cables, but not have the right one with you...
 
tosui said:
There's two ways that Apple can go with this:

1. Download/transfer the app to your AppleTV, and let it do the heavy graphics computation, while relying on the iPhone as a wireless controller.

This would be the most powerful & slickest interface - no cables, good framerate, high quality picture. This would be awesome, and would sell (I think) a *lot* more AppleTVs, because it's now a serious gaming device (especially if this is the only way to get games on your tv). However, I don't think Apple will push this. I think they'll go with...

2. Use your iPhone with a cable (no bluetooth/wireless box attached to your TV - is this really worth Apple pursuing if they already have the AppleTV?) just like in the video, and keep things simple (but slow). Sadly, this seems more realistic, at least in the short-term, to me.
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Your scenario 1 seems more realistic to me. Sync or download a "helper" application to the Apple TV for compatible Apps. As you've said, this would be a more efficient solution.

While, with scenario 2, they may be able to market a proprietary video-out cable with a 5000% mark-up, scenario 1 would sell more Apple TVs, thus selling more iTunes content, renting more movies, and integrating Apple into your digital living room just a little deeper.

I'm wondering why you think they'd go with scenario 2 over scenario 1.
 
I would like to see video input as well. Would be kinda sweet to be able to hook up a bullet cam to the touch and use it as a DVR kinda like the Archos.
 
G4R2 said:
If you'd like to hook up your iPhone or iTouch to a TV via composite video Apple sells a component AV cable to do so:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB128LL/B?fnode=MTY1NDAzOQ&mco=MjE1NTI2OA

The output is not hi def. The purpose of the cable is mostly to display movies or pictures.
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I don't understand the difference between using the currently existing cables and this supposed new functionality. Is it that the app gets to decide whether or not to output to an external display?
 
zombitronic said:
I'm wondering why you think they'd go with scenario 2 over scenario 1.
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Well they wouldn't have to emulate the ARM code of the iphone apps to run on the puny AppleTV if they just provided a gaming cable for the iphone.. (ok, Atv is much more powerful than the iphone but its probably still a bit much to expect it to run all the iphone stuff flawlessly.. You really need a more powerful PC than an appleTV to emulate a dreamcast which theoretically is slower than the iphone)

If the next appleTV is ARM based though then that'd be a likely addition. I dont think Apple would want to get into another Universal binary mess with iphone/atv apps..?
 
use VNC

kcroy said:
Is there a device that sends the iPhone/iPod touch screen image to a television or projector? (The Apple Keynotes use them.) I would love to use one for a presentation I am doing at eTech in Columbus on apps for education.

Help.

Any links or info would be most appreciative.

K Croy
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For a jailbroken iPhone, you can install Veency, a VNC server. Then use any VNC client to view and control your iPhone remotely. I use it all the time.
 
Yes, in the past, only Audio/Video could output from iPod, not other apps. Keep in mind this does not also give the option to output the iPhone/Touch UI. :-(

rlmccormick said:
I don't understand the difference between using the currently existing cables and this supposed new functionality. Is it that the app gets to decide whether or not to output to an external display?
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