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Hmm! So the overall view for someone like myself i.e. mid 2011 i5 iMac with 16 gig of RAM is that it brings very little to the party. Difficult to make out a case for upgrading from ML.

In my opinion, anyone that can update to Mavericks and doesn't is making a mistake.
 
In my opinion, anyone that can update to Mavericks and doesn't is making a mistake.

I would disagree with that. If a given person is content with the current state of their OS, and everything works as they want it too and the features in Mavericks doesn't really entice them. Why upgrade. One thing that seems to be mentioned here and there is that there are bugs in Mavericks. I see no problem with a person staying on a stable version of OSX if it meets their needs.
 
I would disagree with that. If a given person is content with the current state of their OS, and everything works as they want it too and the features in Mavericks doesn't really entice them. Why upgrade. One thing that seems to be mentioned here and there is that there are bugs in Mavericks. I see no problem with a person staying on a stable version of OSX if it meets their needs.

Of course there are bugs in Mavericks, it's still under development. The simple answer to your question is that if you're satisfied with your currant operating system, the new one won't change your workflow at all and your computer will do everything that you already do but more efficiently. I really don't see a disadvantage at all.
 
If a given person is content with the current state of their OS, and everything works as they want it too and the features in Mavericks doesn't really entice them. Why upgrade.

You should upgrade because you don't always see the "features". As has been said, there are some nice under the hood improvements. Plus, a security conscious person will always stay updated. Just being content is not a good reason to avoid an upgrade, especially a reasonably priced one ($20?). Granted, you might choose not to be bleeding edge and upgrade on day one. Check www.roaringapps.com for Mavericks compatibility. Within a few months I would expect the few apps that need to be updated, will be.
 
Of course there are bugs in Mavericks, it's still under development.

You should upgrade because you don't always see the "features". A
I think you guys are missing my point. I agree because its beta there are bugs, but even after GM, bugs will be present. Sometimes a lot, and sometimes very few. Here's my point, if a user is happy with his current OS there is no reason to introduce a new variable that could have a negative impact on him.

To put it another way, why spend 30 dollars on something that gives him no value but potentially introduces some bugs. I agree there are enhancements that could potentially aide users but if they're not interested then why go through the hassle.

That is cmChimera, you called it a mistake for people not to upgrade and I think that's incorrect. Will they be missing out on features, yes, but if that's decision its not a mistake.
 
If you think Mavx is a "maintenance" release to ML, then you clearly haven't been paying attention.

There are hundreds -- and I mean hundreds of very small improvements throughout almost every part of the OS and bundled software. To say nothing of the deeply significant improvements to memory management and battery life.
The completion of Full Screen for multiple monitors is a long-time coming; then there's Finder tabs which has been requested for YEARS.

File tagging is a revolutionary way of organizing your data: I'm sure most people won't use it to its greatest advantage, but it pretty much represents a complete alternative to hierarchical folders.

In short: By 10.9.1 or 2, this should be a rock solid, minimally-bugged OS which doesn't get in the way, but lets you get on with your work, optimally.
 
I think you guys are missing my point...To put it another way, why spend 30 dollars on something that gives him no value but potentially introduces some bugs.

I get your point. But to suggest that Mavericks offers no value is irresponsible.
 
I think you guys are missing my point. I agree because its beta there are bugs, but even after GM, bugs will be present. Sometimes a lot, and sometimes very few. Here's my point, if a user is happy with his current OS there is no reason to introduce a new variable that could have a negative impact on him.

To put it another way, why spend 30 dollars on something that gives him no value but potentially introduces some bugs. I agree there are enhancements that could potentially aide users but if they're not interested then why go through the hassle.

That is cmChimera, you called it a mistake for people not to upgrade and I think that's incorrect. Will they be missing out on features, yes, but if that's decision its not a mistake.

A user is free to wait it out if they know of a specific bug or wait for an app they use to update before they do or something similar. I'm not trying to make the claim they should update immediately upon release.

I see what you're saying but still disagree, mostly because the best features of Mavericks are under the hood. Bugs are and ever present issue, but it's rare to see a deal-breaking bug come along. For me, unless there is a serious known bug or a compatibility issue, I can't see why someone would willingly choose to not make the OS they like (and their computer) more efficient. Mavericks is inherently valuable because of the performance improvements. Even if a user used 0 of the end-user features, the OS still benefits him. But reasonable minds can differ.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being a free update to ML users since there isn't any large changes that a regular user would consider paying for...
 
I agree, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it priced at $10 or $20. I think there may be accounting rules that require Apple to charge something.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being a free update to ML users since there isn't any large changes that a regular user would consider paying for...

Well no, under the hood advancements rarely slap a user in the face to the point where they realize the benefits. Given the advancements in memory management, cpu task handling, etc this is the mythical "power user" update that so many have begged for...but of course the average consumer won't notice. That said, they'll probably be pretty happy with improved battery life. ;)
 
I get your point. But to suggest that Mavericks offers no value is irresponsible.

I'm not saying it offers no value. That's a decision each consumer needs to make and that's my point. Why spend 30 dollars if they feel they're not going to get any bang for their buck.

For me, I like what I see when apple announced the features and I cannot wait, but one size does not fit all. That's why we see a lot of users on Snow Leopard still.
 
I'm not saying it offers no value. That's a decision each consumer needs to make and that's my point. Why spend 30 dollars if they feel they're not going to get any bang for their buck.

For me, I like what I see when apple announced the features and I cannot wait, but one size does not fit all. That's why we see a lot of users on Snow Leopard still.
Quite true. The main reason I moved fro Snow Leopard to Lion was for FileVault 2. What got me to Mountain Lion was an application I needed that required Mountain Lion.

What is drawing me towards Mavricks is mostly the under the hood memory management and other performance improvements. Tabbed finder is nice. Other than that, having maps as an application instead of a website might be nice and I could see using iBooks on the Mac every once in a while, but that's it for me on Mavericks.
 
I'm not saying it offers no value. That's a decision each consumer needs to make and that's my point. Why spend 30 dollars if they feel they're not going to get any bang for their buck.

And my reasoning is that someone that feels that way is inherently wrong. If Mavericks only offered under the hood changes with no immediately visible user features, $20-30 for a computer with better CPU and memory handling, better graphics support, better performance under load, and better battery life is valuable. For someone to think that those features aren't valuable, and good deal for the price, is just wrong.
 
For laptop users, 10.9 brings great enhancements in my opinion, but for iMac and Mac Pro users, I'm not so sure ;)

Multiple Display Support! (but hell I even use multiple displays with my macbook pro now)

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Mavericks is the first OS X since Snow Leopard that I'm actually excited about because they added something I actually want without taking away a bunch of things I didn't want to loose. The fact that the under the hood work seems to have improved the system in general is also great since Lion and Mountain Lion did the opposite.
 
Depends on the price. ≤ $30 = No brainer.


Tabbed and full screen Finder and AirPlay Display are worth $30 to me. Getting better power management and Maps App is icing on the cake.
 
I really don't see why not upgrade. Honestly, I was better of with Lion, ML only slowed down my machine in every aspect and there are a couple of bugs that haven't been smoothed out.
 
Why spend 30 dollars if they feel they're not going to get any bang for their buck.
We all spent $30 for this though :D:

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They could (and I can't imagine them not) update the UI of those remaining apps for the GM. It would be silly not to as they have removed all textures from contacts, notes, etc.

The Reminders app is just awful - who ever thought of that design needs firing!

+1, I dislike the layout so much it makes me not want to check my to-do list! lol. Using sticky notes on my desk now. :D
 
I've been flip flopping between 10.8.4 and 10.9 since DP1 and now on DP6. Overall I feel pretty good about Mavericks.

I should mention that I'm using it on an older iMac (early '09 model) but I've seen some improvements in performance, little things like scrolling fluidity, it's noticeably smoother in 10.9 than 10.8 on the same hardware, possibly due to OpenCL integration. Finder Tabs is great too, and so is the new Calendar app. Haven't tried iCloud KeyChain yet but I can't see myself replacing 1Password with it just yet, but who knows.

All major bugs have been squashed since DP4 (at least for me) but quite a few little ones remain even in DP6. Obviously most of those will be corrected in time, hopefully by the GM but maybe I'm being too optimistic here.

All in all, for my use, I can certainly use it in its current state in a production environment so it'll be a definite day-one install at my house.
 
Right now I do and don't have developer access - it's a bit confusing (have two Apple IDs - one's got developer rights, the other doesn't - and the Apple ID with developer rights I can't manage anymore due to forgetting the security question answers :eek:) That being said, I have elected not to install/test Mavericks until GA, but I will definitely be purchasing on Day 1 - what I've heard sounds quite promising.
 
I like it. I'm in for a $19.99 refresh. If it was more expensive then I would be disappointed and contemplating sticking with ML for another year.
 
Underwhelming. It seems like they just held features back from Lion and ML so that they would have something to release this year.

Agreed, It's one of the only release that hasn't really won me over. I don't feel like there's any real reason to upgrade from Mountain Lion..

It is faster though, but that's about it.
 
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