Exactly. And I am not sure what he means by "stagnant iOS market". I am a developer and my revenue is 75% iOS, 25% Android for the same apps. The apps available (and the overall quality of the apps) on iOS just sh*ts all over Android and Google Play.
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Paddle Plans to Launch Alternative In-App Purchase System on iOS That Circumvents Apple's Fees
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Good news for them, bad news for the end users though.
Yea this is a stupid idea. I for one will never use something like this as the whole point is NOT selling my data. I would just not buy something. So maybe 15% cut of 100% is better then 0% cut of nothing?
Is Paddle really that incompetent to think that Apple is just going to let them make an alternative to IAP? Seriously? For starters, I am 100% certain that all apps will also be required to also offer IAP and if a users decides to tap a third party payment option, there will be a big warning that will have to be displayed so that the user is fully aware that they are making a purchase outside of Apple. Then we need to look at the fees Apple is still going to charge developers (and which the court judgement said they are still entitled to do). Apple can continue the same 15/30 fees as before, thus potentially costing developers even more as they will have to still pay Apples fees on top of Paddle's fees. This company is almost as bad as Epic.
By the way, I am the CEO of a small independent app development company and we have no issue whatsoever with Apples current fees (we fall in the 15% fee right now). What we get from Apple in terms of storefront exposure (Apples customer base), the API's available, etc is so much more than we get from Google and Google charges us the same 15% fee.
By the way, I am the CEO of a small independent app development company and we have no issue whatsoever with Apples current fees (we fall in the 15% fee right now). What we get from Apple in terms of storefront exposure (Apples customer base), the API's available, etc is so much more than we get from Google and Google charges us the same 15% fee.
How do you distinguish me googling Netflix and subscribe, vs., opening the Netflix app and the app directs me to the web. Sure you can have a way to monitor the link, but what if I play ADHD and spend 3 days before paying? Do you count this as an organic sale, or do you regard this as referral? What if I have visited Netflix before I clicked the link in the app, does that change anything?
I'll be d@mned if I'll sign up to a payment system that sells my details. They've already made money from me, and as my personal information ricochets around the net I start getting annoying scam e-mails, spam etc. No thank you.
Sorry, but no to side loading also. I work in an industry where we have to buy specialty equipment from vendors and we are stuck with whatever software their one overworked developer cranks out to barely make the thing work. We have computers that can’t be upgraded because the vendors won’t invest in development.
Side load brings the same issues to iOS. Vendors are going to try to get away with bad build, old build and custom API garbage that won’t pass muster in the App Store. The App Store is the one place right now where we can be reasonably sure companies are playing by the rules and at least putting minimum effort into providing a functional product. With side loading, these same companies would probably have us stuck back on iOS 8 to use their janky, half-built app that some intern cobbled together six years ago.
This is probably a terrible example, but I’m very happy with what Apple has done for moving this space forward and creating minimum standards for safety and UX. I didn’t buy an android phone, I don’t want an android phone. If you want to side load or f Store or whatever, I hear there are some really good deals on them right now.
Side load brings the same issues to iOS. Vendors are going to try to get away with bad build, old build and custom API garbage that won’t pass muster in the App Store. The App Store is the one place right now where we can be reasonably sure companies are playing by the rules and at least putting minimum effort into providing a functional product. With side loading, these same companies would probably have us stuck back on iOS 8 to use their janky, half-built app that some intern cobbled together six years ago.
This is probably a terrible example, but I’m very happy with what Apple has done for moving this space forward and creating minimum standards for safety and UX. I didn’t buy an android phone, I don’t want an android phone. If you want to side load or f Store or whatever, I hear there are some really good deals on them right now.
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That's actually how I understood Paddle's proposed system to work, looking at their video. There's a button inside the app that opens a website in Safari.
Those are very much open questions right now, and I'm not sure that anyone knows where exactly the line is going to be drawn. I don't believe the ruling set any concrete definition for how Apple should solve this, just that A) Apple can't prevent developers from linking to outside payment methods and B) Apple is within its rights to charge for its services (as currently covered by the 15/30% cut).
I'm really curious to see what Apple's proposed solution will be like. It could even be something very different from the current cut, either to everyone or just those who want to use alternate payment handling. Whatever it turns out to be I do expect that Apple wants to continue to collect in some proportion to the developer's revenue.
Why would the consumer use this instead of Apple's IAP, I at least have protection against purchases with Apple.
I would rather pay a bit more and not have such nefarious companies from selling my email address.
Apple fee:
15% 1$ to 1 million a year. More is 30%
paddle fee:
10% fee <10$. 5% fee plus 0.5$ for 10$ or more is quite the bargain
Apple can always just charge a % of gross, regardless of the source of revenue, just like Epic does with Unreal.
Why? Do you honestly think the developers care?
they can just show their Normal price and apples button saying it costs this much extra.
example: price 50$ paddle button
Apple IAP button
man’s just allow you to choose
If you watch the little video on their web site you'll see that the app merely provides a link. Tapping it opens a Paddle web page in Safari where the actual payment happens.
Given that they are sharing your data, this is an instant no-go for me as a user. Just another way to sell my personal information for profit.
I hope the courts don't force Apple into dismantling the way it operates. What about the customers who like the way iOS and its services are structured? I'm not a dev, so I can't comment to their wants and needs, but as a customer/user, I like Apple's "walled garden". I like the steps Apple is taking towards privacy. Forcing Apple to allow these other things just seems like its trying to dismantle many of the things I like about iOS piecemeal.
There are very very view apps that I just "have to have". And I usually spend more time than I should debating whether to not to pay a $1 or more on an app. If I do think its worth it, and I go to buy it, and it takes me out of the app, then I won't be buying it. (That was before I found out that this company is giving my personal info along with the payment) I also probably would delete the app right then.
People saying this will help developers and hurt users, you are wrong. This will hurt both developers and users. Apple will get their money one way or the other, and if they can't get it from the developers who are actually making money from in-app purchases, they'll start charging way more for all developer accounts including those who don't make any money from their apps.