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Paddle Plans to Launch Alternative In-App Purchase System on iOS That Circumvents Apple's Fees

Puonti said:
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That's actually how I understood Paddle's proposed system to work, looking at their video. There's a button inside the app that opens a website in Safari.
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We don't know the details but what I meant, maybe they won't allow the API code from Paddle and the process won't be as seamless as shown.

Basically, if we don't know how Apple will structure it, they don't know either.

They thought they would charge 10%, well yeah, but maybe, Apple will take 10% regardless because that is the commission for preparing API and developing Xcode, not the payment processing fee.
 
Does this article make more clear of why Epic decided to sue? Let the landslide begin.
 
djcerla said:
Developers will be required to pay their 15-30% cut anyways, so what’s the point? Nowhere in the Epic vs Apple ruling the judge stated devs can get the App Store services for free.

Also: 10% does not look very competitive vs. 15% most devs pay to Apple.
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I don't think Apple has shared how many devs went into the Small Business Program

This is a huge misconception I've seen people claim over the internet. It's not like if you earn less than a million you are automatically in the 15% category

You need to register for the program and Apple needs to accept you. I've seen some devs rejected and in classical Apple fashion, they don't give a reason

Plus, the program places some restrictions, the biggest one is that you can't transfer your apps to other devs
 
Hey everyone, Christian founder of Paddle here.

Appreciate the lively debate surrounding our announcement today! Spotted a few things that I wanted to give some clarity on.

Paddle has been a great supporter of Mac apps for many years, powering payments for apps you know and love like CleanMyMac, Framer, Tower and more.

When it comes to your customer data, we take the responsibility of keeping it safe and secure extremely seriously. We believe that you should have access to that data, just like you would if the purchase is made on your website – something Apple currently doesn’t give you. It’s our view that app developers should be able to interact with their customers directly rather than having to go through Apple or another 3rd party.

Any use of customer data for marketing communication will require the customer to opt-in through a checkbox in the checkout process - we’re just giving developers the ability to actually make that request in-app.

Paddle exists to make it easier for developers to sell their software (without handing over a third of their revenue to the likes of Apple) and turn their products into sustainable businesses. Part of that mission is to offer smooth and secure experiences for consumers – which is why we review all products thoroughly and have a large 24/7 support team to help customers resolve questions or issues with their payments.

We’ll be working on our in-app offering ahead of the December launch (and beyond) and welcome any feedback and concerns.
 
christianowens said:
When it comes to your customer data, we take the responsibility of keeping it safe and secure extremely seriously. We believe that you should have access to that data, just like you would if the purchase is made on your website – something Apple currently doesn’t give you. It’s our view that app developers should be able to interact with their customers directly rather than having to go through Apple or another 3rd party.
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It's telling that by "you" you are referring to developers, not users. If I want a developer to have my information, I can supply it voluntarily. But I don't want a payment processor to disclose it, potentially against my will. From my perspective as a user this is a big advantage that Apple's in-app payments have over, say, credit card payments which usually require a billing address.
 
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Born2Run said:
Apple should make 2 different iOS versions… The free version that’s in the closed and protected ecosystem or a paid version that allows outside purchases.. etc.. but also doesn’t have any protection for scams and stuff!
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Lol, its illegal to make a contract forbidding a user who owns the device to do as they please with it.
This is why apple can’t punish jailbreakers or make it a breach of contract as it would be an illegal term. So good luck
 
christianowens said:
Hey everyone, Christian founder of Paddle here.

Appreciate the lively debate surrounding our announcement today! Spotted a few things that I wanted to give some clarity on.

Paddle has been a great supporter of Mac apps for many years, powering payments for apps you know and love like CleanMyMac, Framer, Tower and more.

When it comes to your customer data, we take the responsibility of keeping it safe and secure extremely seriously. We believe that you should have access to that data, just like you would if the purchase is made on your website – something Apple currently doesn’t give you. It’s our view that app developers should be able to interact with their customers directly rather than having to go through Apple or another 3rd party.

Any use of customer data for marketing communication will require the customer to opt-in through a checkbox in the checkout process - we’re just giving developers the ability to actually make that request in-app.

Paddle exists to make it easier for developers to sell their software (without handing over a third of their revenue to the likes of Apple) and turn their products into sustainable businesses. Part of that mission is to offer smooth and secure experiences for consumers – which is why we review all products thoroughly and have a large 24/7 support team to help customers resolve questions or issues with their payments.

We’ll be working on our in-app offering ahead of the December launch (and beyond) and welcome any feedback and concerns.
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Hey if I understand you model correctly.
a purchase smaller than 10$ have a 10% fee.
and every purchase bigger than 10$ have a 5% fee plus 50cents right? And it doesn’t matter if the developer make 1000$ a year or 1million $ a year the fee stay’s the same.

compared to apple who takes 15% on everything. And 30% on any earnings above 1 million a year.
 
Sophisticatednut said:
Hey if I understand you model correctly.
a purchase smaller than 10$ have a 10% fee.
and every purchase bigger than 10$ have a 5% fee plus 50cents right? And it doesn’t matter if the developer make 1000$ a year or 1million $ a year the fee stay’s the same.

compared to apple who takes 15% on everything. And 30% on any earnings above 1 million a year.
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Yes that's right
 
Surely this is in response to the South Korean ruling, not the US one? The US one just says Apple have to allow links to external sites for making payments outside the app, while the SK one says they have to allow third party IAP systems. Or have I misunderstood?
 
christianowens said:
We believe that you should have access to that data, just like you would if the purchase is made on your website – something Apple currently doesn’t give you.
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I think that's slightly misleading. Apple doesn't give the developer the user data automatically, but Apple doesn't stop the developer asking the user to create an account inside the app if they want to.

As a user one of the things I like about paying via Apple is that I can do so without giving developers information about myself, without having "an account" with every company I ever interacted with.
 
People in the circles on this forum REALLY overestimate how much normal consumers care about their data being sold (or used).

If it in any way brings them more convenience or lower prices, the masses nearly always gravitate towards that option.

I don't like it and don't agree with it - as I'm sure many here don't.
But my opinion is not necessarily indicative of the majority opinion out there.
 
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Sophisticatednut said:
Why? Do you honestly think the developers care?
they can just show their Normal price and apples button saying it costs this much extra.
example: price 50$ paddle button
Apple IAP button 50$ 60$.
man’s just allow you to choose
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I'd pay the extra not to deal with a sketchy company taking my info.
 
As a user I don't care what payment methods you choose to present me with if I want to purchase content to consume in your app ...
but if you remove Apple's IAP, then most likely I'm not buying anything from you.

I'm fine with giving out credit card number, email, and address for goods and services that physically exist in real life, and there are practical reasons for that.
 
masteroflondon said:
"In addition to lower fees, Paddle said benefits of its payment system will include access to customer data"

And there's the privacy Apple warned about. Imagine Visa giving your address to all the shops you buy from.
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The problem is people want everything for free because “greedy Apple” yet still want their privacy protected. Nobody sees the value in anything anymore and act entitled, especially in the Apple world.
 
_Spinn_ said:
I like that they show ApplePay as an option but this is a hard no for me.
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Why? Apple Pay is cheaper than apples IAP solution. Apple just doesn’t allow you to use it
ams1117 said:
As a user I don't care what payment methods you choose to present me with if I want to purchase content to consume in your app ...
but if you remove Apple's IAP, then most likely I'm not buying anything from you.

I'm fine with giving out credit card number, email, and address for goods and services that physically exist in real life, and there are practical reasons for that.
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God luck. Apple forces you to have IAP as an option. Just ass login with apple must be an option with social login options. You will just see a normal option and a more expensive apple option.
mariusignorello said:
The problem is people want everything for free because “greedy Apple” yet still want their privacy protected. Nobody sees the value in anything anymore and act entitled, especially in the Apple world.
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And why is this a problem? Give people an option. Apple can’t be our mom on everything. The problem is apple is extremely greedy. They have huge margins just because they can. Can you complain that other think that’s unfair when it’s not needed? Apple could literally provide it for free and just take a fee to cover the expenses. This would make android absolutely non viable
 
Wildkraut said:
This is great news!
The Apple Platform is slowly becoming usable, next on the list is openNFC, sideloading incl. third-party AppStore.
👍 ❤️
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Or just jump over to Android and leave Apple tf alone.

Edit: Also iOS is also very much usable and has always been for many many people. If you don’t find it to be, then it clearly isn’t the platform for you.
 
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Roadster Lewis said:
I would not use it out of principle. I would rather not purchase an app that use this sort of payment system.
It is going to degrade the user experience for most users, have minimal impact for developers, but has probably earned lawyers/regulators a load of money in fees/lobbying etc.
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Also would that payment to PayPal then require a special password to the app, or are they billing to your apple account. I will surmise they have you set up a different account, which requires a password, and CC information, etc. How am I going to trust their systems will not get hacked along with the other 200 emails I get every year that you got a free credit watch with Verisign, as our servers got hacked, and exposed your CC to possible fraud. I think not, I trust apple with my payments, and they have been secure, and hack free.
 
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