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Palm Opens Up Mojo SDK to All App Developers
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Palm and anyone else is going to have a difficult time catching up 1.5 billion downloads.... even by giving it away for free. Aren't all the current APP's like Apples olde Web apps??
You're no Aristotle
Copy and Paste works fine on the Pre. Battery life is now equal to the 3Gs, better than the 3G. It really comes down to multi-tasking on the WebOS for me. It's completely asinine that the iPhone can't do this yet without jailbreaking it.
For WebOS to just launch, it's pretty smooth. The iPhone OS was far buggier in the beginning, which makes me think that there may be even better room for growth in WebOS. Just a thought however, don't really know if that means anything at all.
Copy and Paste works fine on the Pre. Battery life is now equal to the 3Gs, better than the 3G. It really comes down to multi-tasking on the WebOS for me. It's completely asinine that the iPhone can't do this yet without jailbreaking it.
For WebOS to just launch, it's pretty smooth. The iPhone OS was far buggier in the beginning, which makes me think that there may be even better room for growth in WebOS. Just a thought however, don't really know if that means anything at all.
Do you have any clue what is behind software development? To start, don't expect those fancy iPhone 3D games to be ported any time soon, if ever. The same goes with any complicated application.
That isn't to say that some developers won't do rewrites for the Pre. They will have to seriously consider the time and expense to do it for the pay off.
Copy Paste is somewhat lacking on pre when compared to iPhone`s version. Usable, but not as good.
iPhone was Apple`s first ever mobile phone. Palm has been doing this for over a decade. Pre is not their first entry into mobile phones. So no. This doesn`t really mean anything at all
As a previous iPhone owner/user and now a Pre owner, I find it amusing that MacRumors posts all Palm Pre related news. If that's not an acknowledgment of a true iPhone competitor...I don't know what is
Considering how many former Apple employees have been lured to Palm, which is fine, that's business, but Palm should be called Lil'App as in Little Apple, what with the recently received talent that has been working at Palm on behalf of the PRE, WebOS, App store, soon to be - PRE Syncing with Palm PRE propriety software instead of mooching off of the ITMS by having to make it think that the PRE is an iPod when it's not... sounds like some copyright infringement somewhere...
and is the only reason MacRumors gives acknowledgement because of it's newly acquired Apple talent and, without Apple and their iPhone, I doubt you'd have your precious PRE to love! Go Apple! 
Horses for courses. The Pre's keyboard works great, IMO (although I can see how people w/bigger hands might have problems w/it).I do at least have respect for the Pre though. But man does their keyboard SUCK, and it's even physical lol.
Bring on the competition.
Lethal
You do realize that Apple lures talent away from other companies too right? And that most of Apple's first party software wasn't originally developed in house but acquired by buying small, third party software developers.Considering how many former Apple employees have been lured to Palm, which is fine, that's business, but Palm should be called Lil'App as in Little Apple, what with the recently received talent that has been working at Palm on behalf of the PRE, WebOS, App store, soon to be - PRE Syncing with Palm PRE propriety software instead of mooching off of the ITMS by having to make it think that the PRE is an iPod when it's not... sounds like some copyright infringement somewhere...
Lethal
Well, given the language, UI, and APIs are totally different, I would expect it would be as long as someone starting from scratch with an example app.
Having not seen the WebOS developer docs, I would still bet that the iPhone has an edge in capability (1.0 product vs. 3.0 product). The WebOS APIs are new and not as tested / understood as well as Cocoa Touch (with its lineage of Cocoa / OpenStep, NEXTstep).
One layer deeper: Objective-C has been used to write large programs for a while now and has developed a lot of good techniques and practices. Javascript has just recently been the basis of full apps, and the language (as designed now) is not really meant for writing programs in the large. Don't get me wrong, I like the prototype-based OO of Javascript (liked NewtonScript before that), but it doesn't have the history of Objective-C in this context. Also, optimization of Javascript is a huge topic now and is progressing rapidly, but the Objective-C crew has had a whole lot more time. More efficient programs mean lower battery usage.
on a tangent......
This is why I kinda get annoyed (not at you) when people (not you) say "Well, Apple says Snow Leopard has no new user features, so it can't be a big deal". Snow Leopard has a lot of stuff under the hood that will allow developers to write some truly powerful programs. We kinda needed an OS release to put all the things in to allow developers time to shine with all these cores.
I've used the Pre for a few hours from a buddy at work, seems like a nice device although after using an iPhone for 2 years they keyboard is strange to me. The fact they have sold 1.8 million apps is great but what pisses my friend off is the fact it's not backwards compatible. The ability to multi task is pretty cool, although the battery life suffers.
To the people talking about the number of apps, it's going to be the same on both platforms, less then 5% of the total apps will actually be "useful" and that is all subjective anyhow, but there will be just as much trash in the Palm store as the Apple app store. The same developers will just port over their apps if the Mojo SDK uses any variation of C/C++ which it likely does.
The Pre looks to me to be a much better device than the BB Storm in terms of interface, feel if the touch screen etc... (and clearly from many PO'd BB Storm users on forums).
Bottom line is Apple is so far out in front of the smart phone design everyone else is just trying to copy it and share in it's success. I hear how Palm created the first PDA? Guess they missed the Apple Newton PDA, that AT&T is the worst 3g network, well maybe in your area of the country but here here in KC, where the 1 Billion dollar Sprint complex resides, their network coverage is the worst of the big 3 that service this market. ATT/Verizon have very similar and good coverage/3g speed. Sprint is horrible as our company moved away from Sprint to Verizon after just a year from to many dropped calls, no signal/low signal area's our salesmen kept running into.
I hope they attract some developers and push Apple to keep innovating and add features, competition is great but Apple's Iphone to Palm Pre is like comparing the Window OS to Apple's OSX... it's growing.. but not of a factor when developers look at the isntalled base of units they can potentially sell to.
Palm Pre sells 500,000? haven't seen the latest. Not backward compatible with any of it's previous apps.
iPhone/iPod Touch over 40 million+ user base. If a developer is looking to make money I think the number tell the story of which "app store" they will be focusing on. Just as developers look to develop for MS as the mainstream PC platform and Mac is very often the afterthought.
To the people talking about the number of apps, it's going to be the same on both platforms, less then 5% of the total apps will actually be "useful" and that is all subjective anyhow, but there will be just as much trash in the Palm store as the Apple app store. The same developers will just port over their apps if the Mojo SDK uses any variation of C/C++ which it likely does.
The Pre looks to me to be a much better device than the BB Storm in terms of interface, feel if the touch screen etc... (and clearly from many PO'd BB Storm users on forums).
Bottom line is Apple is so far out in front of the smart phone design everyone else is just trying to copy it and share in it's success. I hear how Palm created the first PDA? Guess they missed the Apple Newton PDA, that AT&T is the worst 3g network, well maybe in your area of the country but here here in KC, where the 1 Billion dollar Sprint complex resides, their network coverage is the worst of the big 3 that service this market. ATT/Verizon have very similar and good coverage/3g speed. Sprint is horrible as our company moved away from Sprint to Verizon after just a year from to many dropped calls, no signal/low signal area's our salesmen kept running into.
I hope they attract some developers and push Apple to keep innovating and add features, competition is great but Apple's Iphone to Palm Pre is like comparing the Window OS to Apple's OSX... it's growing.. but not of a factor when developers look at the isntalled base of units they can potentially sell to.
Palm Pre sells 500,000? haven't seen the latest. Not backward compatible with any of it's previous apps.
iPhone/iPod Touch over 40 million+ user base. If a developer is looking to make money I think the number tell the story of which "app store" they will be focusing on. Just as developers look to develop for MS as the mainstream PC platform and Mac is very often the afterthought.
As a previous iPhone owner/user and now a Pre owner, I find it amusing that MacRumors posts all Palm Pre related news. If that's not an acknowledgment of a true iPhone competitor...I don't know what is
Btw...this whole argument of more apps is better is stupid. You can have 50,000 apps of which 49,000 are complete garbage or you can have 5,000 quality apps. I'd rather have the latter. Makes it less of a nightmare to find the good stuff. Let's see how things pan out but people need to get over the # of apps on iPhone. Means nothing.
Exactly. There are so many crappy apps crowding the good ones on the app store that it's ridiculous...so yes, the quantity means nothing, it's about the quality. Not to mention the fact that I'd rather have people using a few thousand truly awesome, cream of the crop, apps that truly show case the iPhone, rather then ruining iPhone's reputation with the hoards of meaningless, poor quality apps that are demeaning to the iPhone.
Anyone know what the cost is to publish an app on the pre? I know Apple charges $100 a year to publish apps, but i havent seen anything about the Pre.
At least the Pre SDK doesnt require you to buy a specific computer.
At least the Pre SDK doesnt require you to buy a specific computer.
As a previous iPhone owner/user and now a Pre owner, I find it amusing that MacRumors posts all Palm Pre related news. If that's not an acknowledgment of a true iPhone competitor...I don't know what is
Btw...this whole argument of more apps is better is stupid. You can have 50,000 apps of which 49,000 are complete garbage or you can have 5,000 quality apps. I'd rather have the latter. Makes it less of a nightmare to find the good stuff. Let's see how things pan out but people need to get over the # of apps on iPhone. Means nothing.
You think the 5,000 apps the Pre has are all quality? HA! What an idiot! Many of the apps that Palm has are the overlapping apps like, twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc....Palm will have decent apps, but the actual device will not be able to compete with the gaming apps on the iPhone 3GS. Therefore, there will be no true competition from the Preschool. I compare it to all of the other digital music sites that tried to play catch-up and copy iTunes years ago. iTunes is still the number 1 digitial store. Just like the Preschool's app store will be pleasant and nice, but no true threat!
im an avid iphone user..but i totally agree with you.
there is a TOP of CRAP in the app store.
who gives a crap if there is 49,000+ crappy apps...
wait, apparently apple fanboys do!
(fyi, i love
Write a non-TOP of CRAP app and quit complaining. Those crap apps as you perceive sell.
You think Palm won't have them as well? Get real.
For clarification: Objective-C has been used to write large programs for a while now...
That time frame is 20 years and aging.
When I read the thing about people getting sent to voicemail if you're on the internet I thought "no frackin way, seriously?"
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So I pulled out my Pre, started loading up a page on the internet, and called my phone from my landline. You're never gonna believe this, but the call went through just fine.
I'm sure you didn't purposely make this up, but seriously, dude. Where do you get your facts? Your overall point about the voice and internet not working at the same time is correct, but the hyperbole kills me.
As a Pre owner, when I read through these threads I get a really good sense of those who know nothing about the Pre and those who have a good handle on its plusses and minuses.
For example this person thinks that the Pre has 5,000 apps and that many of them overlap. The Pre does not have 5,000 apps (it has 30) and none of them seem to overlap except for maybe some movie info.
I don't think it's necessarily malicious, some people just are ill-informed and parrot things they've heard on the internet.
Lethal
Einstein, the 5,000 apps came from one of your Pre-boys comments. I don't claim to know how many apps Pre has, b/c I could care less. I have 500,000 to choose from. As far as the overlapping comment, I meant that all of Palm's apps overlap with what's available already on the iPhone.
I think the Pre-school is a nice phone that did a good job of trying to copy everything that Apple did with the iPhone. It isn't, however, an iPhone killer. I do know that the Pre doesn't have the graphics engine or gaming capabilities of the iPhone 3GS. I also know about the overheating, cheap plastic cases, horrible battery life, and minute keyboard issues that have plagued the Pre-school. All in all, it's a much better attempt at competition for the iPhone than the Storm, but it's still no iPhone. How many units did you guys sell the first weekend? 50,000! Great job. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Apple sold over a million in it's first three days. You can't argue with numbers!
No more iTunes updating!
I've just done what I have with other programs that would make this kind of change. I just stop updating that program & start looking for alternatives. Even though I have several iPods & no Palm Pre I have stopped updating iTunes & am doing all I can to find a suitable replacement.
I've just done what I have with other programs that would make this kind of change. I just stop updating that program & start looking for alternatives. Even though I have several iPods & no Palm Pre I have stopped updating iTunes & am doing all I can to find a suitable replacement.