I don't know about anyone else, but when I first saw the first ads for the original iPhone, it was like seeing something from another planet. Out of any of the iPhone's competition, I like the G1 the most. It has it's own selling point with the Android operating system. Somebody in this thread stated that the G1 was meant to be a windows mobile killer, and that is a better way to look at it. Also, Google steered clear of multi-touch which is respectable. On the other hand, RIM tried to blow their Storm up to be like it was the second coming of Christ. Now, Palm is at it. Not only are they the most unoriginal copy cats and intellectual property thieves, but they're very aggressive with it. It's like their scheme is "The iPhone is dying out, so everyone is going to get the Pre." I'm really good at guitar, but no matter how hard I try, I will never be John Mayer. Even if I surpassed his talent, what happens to John Mayer? Nothing, he's still John Mayer.
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Palm Pre Continues to Generate Interest at CTIA Mobile
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And to put an emphasis on that: I personally will have a great choice of products in August, when I definitely get a new mobile handset. I just hope, that Apple's answer will eliminate all those bugging glitches, the iPhone currently has for me (which, btw, are minor - and price of the contract is a growing issue, when the competing products stack up so well - think Pre, think Omnia HD, think N97, think Idou).
Apple isn't technically capable of developing a good mobile OS and I guess you are.
Did anyone remember that Apple has a controlling interest in both the CPU and the graphics hardware in this device? I think it now makes sense why they bought so much of the company. They didn't want Palm to be able to squeeze them.
I love the iphone, so don't get me wrong, but I'm glad to see a real competitor finally coming out. All the other vendors are idiots... their entire business model has not abiltiy to compete with Apple. They have always been about giving the most minimal features at the lowest price, and focusing on what the lowest common denominator public thinks is cool rather than what would truly be productive and enabling... so it's good to see a company that really does understand productivity and multimedia ( though they stagnated for 6 years ) try to challenge Apple. the iPhone will get better for it.
I still think Apple will win in the end, but I'm happy to see some real offering from someone else finally.
I love the iphone, so don't get me wrong, but I'm glad to see a real competitor finally coming out. All the other vendors are idiots... their entire business model has not abiltiy to compete with Apple. They have always been about giving the most minimal features at the lowest price, and focusing on what the lowest common denominator public thinks is cool rather than what would truly be productive and enabling... so it's good to see a company that really does understand productivity and multimedia ( though they stagnated for 6 years ) try to challenge Apple. the iPhone will get better for it.
I still think Apple will win in the end, but I'm happy to see some real offering from someone else finally.
Do you have a clue about Cocoa?
This article shows how moronic the Predev.net fans base is:
http://www.predev.net/2009/02/15/why-the-palm-pre-sdk-is-better-than-the-iphones/
Comparing Javascript/HTML to ObjC/IB/HTML4 & 5/Cocoa and more by comparing
Hello World?
Holy crap. Talk about reinventing the wheel ten times with javascript.
If you can't use Interface Builder and printf to produce Hello World then please don't go into software development.
Oh i hope to god it does kill windows mobile. Worst OS on a smartphone. Windows 7 mobile will die just like vista. it will look like the iphone's os but be as useful has my 10 year old nokia clam shell phone.
Yeah, I hear ya.
However, in the end, physical keyboards may end up being better suited for humans.
Only time will tell.
I'd say is the first phone Apple has to keep and eye on. While others may put up some big sale figures (BlackBerry Storm), none has really come close to offering the same smooth experience as the iPhone...until now. I saw the Palm Pre at CES, and it really does capture that feeling. The interface is really slick, and the transitioning animations are great. Color me excited.
Instead of years later?
Exactly my point--Apple simply does not follow what the rest of the market is doing, even in some cases, as with the mouse button issue, where it seems like a no-brainer. You can argue the merits of that decision but regardless, that's an example of Apple doing it their own way. They changed the mouse when they felt there was a reason to do so, not back in the early 90s.
So, yet another example of why Apple will not react to the Palm Pre. People coming here and saying, "Woohoo, real competition! Now Apple will have to give us features X, Y and Z." People saying that are ignoring Apple's history of ignoring the competition.
I really have to ask... "What third-party aps?"
Would you rather have +10,000 third-party aps that don't currently run in the background, or zero third-party aps that would run in the background if there were any?
The power of the iPhone is in the SDK that allows an easy development path to a huge existing market through the iTunes store. The pressure on Apple to keep the iPhone better then the competition is a lot less than if it were just a face-off between phones. Success for a competitor means putting the whole extro-structure in place. I don't see anyone doing that. I hear MicroSoft saying they will, but talk is cheep and MicroSoft still has the market cornered on VaporWare.
Really?
While they may hide it better than others, have no doubt that Apple (like ALL other companies) constantly adapt to the demands of the users and it's impending competition. If you think Apple changes/updates their products from the goodness of their heart, I have a bridge to sell you.
I'd say the Palm Pre being separate from a mandatory tries-to-do-too-much application is a good thing. It uses a "hard-disk mode", which enables it to be used with the plethora of music organizing programs out there. It uses Amazon MP3 for over-the air downloads. It's SDK just started rolling out today, based on largely existent coding languages. The Pre syncs email, calendars, and contacts with existing web-based solutions like gmail and Facebook. It's a lot less attached to the desktop, which is inevitably where the future of phones is going. How is that mistakable for a weakness?
Doesn't seem like THAT much of a threat. Just another iPhoney rip-off. Apple annihilates ALL competition, so...no worries, right?
The big feature this offers is multi tasking.
apple COULD easily do this but say it can't effectively be done (just watch the last key note when they announced OS3) and I think their reasoning is corrrect. As I said, apple would do this if they could but they say the processors aren't fast enough and batetry time will drop off significantly. They say the phone will be un useable after a couple of hours or so
So how have Palm over come these huge problems?
I guess they haven't but its a feature apple don't have (because they aren't happy to implement it) so they will have it and make a big deal of it.
I have brought lots of products which are suppose to have features so they can be in the feature list on the box but when you actually use them they are heavily comprimised and just don't work. My Nokia 6280 had an MP3 player but it was hopeless.
My guess is that palm will come unstuck with the multi tasking aspect big time.
apple COULD easily do this but say it can't effectively be done (just watch the last key note when they announced OS3) and I think their reasoning is corrrect. As I said, apple would do this if they could but they say the processors aren't fast enough and batetry time will drop off significantly. They say the phone will be un useable after a couple of hours or so
So how have Palm over come these huge problems?
I guess they haven't but its a feature apple don't have (because they aren't happy to implement it) so they will have it and make a big deal of it.
I have brought lots of products which are suppose to have features so they can be in the feature list on the box but when you actually use them they are heavily comprimised and just don't work. My Nokia 6280 had an MP3 player but it was hopeless.
My guess is that palm will come unstuck with the multi tasking aspect big time.
It's not on sale.
Anybody is free to openly copy any idea which is patented, no problem. No law has been broken.
But if you start to sell that idea as your own, then you are liable to be sued over patent infringement.
As soon as the first one is brought by a paying customer then palm will be served a big writ...
Patents are about protecting commercial exploitation of ideas. They are also published to archive human knowledge for the greater good.
What exactly would they settle? You can pretty much file a suit for any amount of money you want, as the dust of negotiations settled it'd just be a wash anyways and all they will have accomplished is putting their legal teams' children and grandchildren through Harvard.
Or maybe they'd settle for 8% of their respective profits for device sales:
Palm: "OK, we agree to 8% of the profits from 15 million iPhone sales"
Apple: "Ok, but only if we get 8% of the profits from 0 Pre sales!"
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is where the whole "java based" apps come into play. With the Pre, aside from having a faster processor than the iPhone, the java based apps the Pre will use apparently dont tax the processor as heavily as "regular" apps (although the counter argument is that these apps can't be as powerful, meaning no 3D games and things like that).
Remember when iPhone first came out, they tried to push these "webapps" that could run in Safari? You could, and still can actually, run multiple of these webapps in Safari, I guess Apple must have figured out that these arent too harsh for the processor and could handle multiple apps at a time. Unfortunately the idea didnt really take off, and eventually they allowed regular apps.
I think that's the basic idea, and I actually have to give props to Palm for executing what Apple initially tried to do, but it seems they actually got it right.
Looking at it with more of a long term prospective, with more efficient and more powerful hardware (technology evolves rapidly), there wont be a need to limit background apps since these could be handled easily with multicores, more and faster system ram, smarter apps management, etc. In that sense, Apple could potentially benefit since the applications it can run are "more powerful" (yes, arguable I know) when compared to Pre's apps, which it currently seems can only run Java based apps.
You then have the issue about all those ex apple employees going to Palm and working on ideas they were also working on at apple. That is probaly the bigger issue as employees are not allowed to breach the trust of former employers and equally new employers ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK ON IDEAS THEIR NEW EMPLOYEES BROUGHT TO THEM FROM FORMER EMPLOYERS. It's not a gentleman's agreement it is company law.
Some of the new Palm employees were very bitter ex apple guys. They openly spouted how they were going to out apple apple. All this will be used as testimony.
Seriously, and being compleatly objective I can't see Palm surviving this last gambit. They have nothing to loose as they are going downhill anyway though so they may as well toss a coin and hope it lands in their favour.
apple's legal team are attack dogs and won't stop until their prey is dead.
Some of the new Palm employees were very bitter ex apple guys. They openly spouted how they were going to out apple apple. All this will be used as testimony.
Seriously, and being compleatly objective I can't see Palm surviving this last gambit. They have nothing to loose as they are going downhill anyway though so they may as well toss a coin and hope it lands in their favour.
apple's legal team are attack dogs and won't stop until their prey is dead.
I like the Pre
I like the Pre. Or at least what Palm has shown off it.
The problem is that they have not let anyone use a single working device. In real life demos, its Palm Executives who are doing the demo'ing (not reviewers) who are showing a limited subset of what it is capable of (and what it MUST be able to do before release).
About the only 2 apps that have been demoed (and not true demos either) are Fandango and Pandora.
The Pre has a long way to go before release. Apple will have 3.0 out, and a roadmap for 4.0 out before that even happens.
I like the Pre. Or at least what Palm has shown off it.
The problem is that they have not let anyone use a single working device. In real life demos, its Palm Executives who are doing the demo'ing (not reviewers) who are showing a limited subset of what it is capable of (and what it MUST be able to do before release).
About the only 2 apps that have been demoed (and not true demos either) are Fandango and Pandora.
The Pre has a long way to go before release. Apple will have 3.0 out, and a roadmap for 4.0 out before that even happens.