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Palm Pre Continues to Generate Interest at CTIA Mobile
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LETS LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS...
The Wast mayority of the team behind Palm-Pre used to work at a surtain Coppertino Company.
The NEW dev team at Palm basicly riped the code from there old employe from one company to anouther . Now any inteligent person knows that by doing so you are violating both contracts, NDA and the law ...
Apple has patents but they cant go to court befoure the Palm is Released .
I just cant wait until the release of the Palm Pre. I dont want the products . I just want to see what Apple will do....
The Wast mayority of the team behind Palm-Pre used to work at a surtain Coppertino Company.
The NEW dev team at Palm basicly riped the code from there old employe from one company to anouther . Now any inteligent person knows that by doing so you are violating both contracts, NDA and the law ...
Apple has patents but they cant go to court befoure the Palm is Released .
I just cant wait until the release of the Palm Pre. I dont want the products . I just want to see what Apple will do....
naahhh . The release of the Palm Pre will surtain be the end of Palm. Apple wont wing it . They will win it ..
You mean in exactly the same way that Apple does with it's demonstrably misleading iPhone ads?
That's a pretty serious allegation you made there. Have any proof, or did you pull it out of your *rse?
Thats right in some point . iPhone is surtain "5 years" ahead of whats on any outher mobile phone" but then again the multi-touch is Apples.
Why can't Fandango create as integrated an app as shown here?
Apple allows all sorts of hooks into the calendar, mail, itunes (they could even do some genius kinda stuff to suggest a movie!) that would be more than sufficient for the integration shown here...
The 2 issues I have with the iphone currently are:
1) Lack of background apps. I agree this is a "hardware not good enough" issue that will be solved soon. In fact, it requires more effort for them to prevent background apps, than it would for them to allow it!
2) Poor notifications. This is a longer term worry of mine. Don't forget that this issue exists in Mac OS X too. There are only 2 types of notifications in the default Mac apps. 1) Dock Labels and 2) Dialog boxes (Alerts by iCal, Finder - This application was downloaded from a webpage, etc). Apple has done nothing to improve the state of notifications on the mac.
Unfortunately, they have already added both these styles of notifications to the iphone. What if they decide this is good enough (like they did on the mac?). The Pre notifications sliding at the bottom are really very good.
On the other hand, the notifications on the mac are "good enough". Also, 3rd parties have more than filled in (Growl) so maybe Apple did not feel the need to step in any further there. Because of the lack of screen space (and therefore lack of a constant Dock) these notification strategies are obviously not good enough for the iphone, which might force Apple's hand to improve it (and might even spill over to the mac!).
Apple allows all sorts of hooks into the calendar, mail, itunes (they could even do some genius kinda stuff to suggest a movie!) that would be more than sufficient for the integration shown here...
The 2 issues I have with the iphone currently are:
1) Lack of background apps. I agree this is a "hardware not good enough" issue that will be solved soon. In fact, it requires more effort for them to prevent background apps, than it would for them to allow it!
2) Poor notifications. This is a longer term worry of mine. Don't forget that this issue exists in Mac OS X too. There are only 2 types of notifications in the default Mac apps. 1) Dock Labels and 2) Dialog boxes (Alerts by iCal, Finder - This application was downloaded from a webpage, etc). Apple has done nothing to improve the state of notifications on the mac.
Unfortunately, they have already added both these styles of notifications to the iphone. What if they decide this is good enough (like they did on the mac?). The Pre notifications sliding at the bottom are really very good.
On the other hand, the notifications on the mac are "good enough". Also, 3rd parties have more than filled in (Growl) so maybe Apple did not feel the need to step in any further there. Because of the lack of screen space (and therefore lack of a constant Dock) these notification strategies are obviously not good enough for the iphone, which might force Apple's hand to improve it (and might even spill over to the mac!).
You mean in exactly the same way that Apple does with it's demonstrably misleading iPhone ads?
Come on/ You've gotta be smarter than that. Yeah, Apple's ads use mockups, but if you want to try the real thing, you just drive down to the closest Apple store (or ask a friend. At least 1 friend of yours is bound to own an iphone) and try the real thing.
Where is the store that is currently demoing Palm Pre's?
I think the point about the mock-up is that the Pre is far from finished. The June-July goal is probably highly unrealistic, since there have been no reports of anyone, other than Palm execs, having actually used the Pre (I apologize if I missed some, but I haven't seen any).
LOL hahaha, er no. The Palm uses a totally different and new OS, it hasn't "Ripped" the iPhones code, and Palm have already stated, and people have backed them up, that if Apple takes them to court they can counter sue Apple to the wall as it has SO many patents Apple has breached you won't believe it. Remember just how long Palm has been making mobile devices for eh
So don't expect to see them in court any time soon, or Apple to win anything.
Te Palm Pre will be my next phone, sim free at launch, cheaper then an iPhone oh yes, and no pathetic controls of the apps.
Oh and can ANYONE of you tell me exactly when did Apple let journalists play around with the BETA iPhone BEFORE it was launched By Steve? No? Hmm, Palm must be stupid eh?? Are we going to see Apple's new 2009 iPhone on video and photo's in flesh being demonstrated BEFORE it's launched?
Exactly, well said and this is the real issue. The patent infringements are second order (but real nevertheless) compared to this steadily smoking gun.
I'll tell you exactly what apple will do.
1) Sue Palm to the brink of extinction
2) Settle out of court and lisence the technology/ideas so the palm pre is priced out of the market
Either way Palm will loose. If you have Palm shares sell them now.
S@&T ME SOMEONE WHO LIVES OUTSIDE APPLE AND POSTS HERE!!! SOMEONE WHO REALISES A LIFE OUTSIDE THE "JESUS" PHONE!!
Well done sir, you are a rare thing on this forum. Most people don't seem to have ever heard of Nokia or Sony Ericcson....
And yeap, you and me the consumers will be the ones wining anything this summer!
Then you say...
Slim02 said:
You're only making yourself look silly now - to make it easy for you, here's a screenshot taken from here (all about Nokia Multimedia Transfer which begins syncing automatically as soon as you connect the phone via usb). You really should do your research before you post.
As regards the rest;
- You buy ringtones? I just use any tune in my library that I choose.
- Bookmarks? - done through Nokia Multimedia Transfer
- E-Mail accounts? - I use IMAP as it's the easiest way to keep several machines in sync.
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You sound quite emotional about it.
Honestly, I don't care if apple wins or not. Yes I have an iphone but this pre does look interesting but I have no axe to grind.
But look at the facts and being objective, it does not look good for palm.
look at these I found from a few seconds googiling
palm hires ex apple designer puts iphone in its sights
Palm gets A N O T H E R E X A P P L E guy to run its developer community
Palm hires ex-Apple guy as manger of its Palm Pre developer community
I reallly didn't think Palm were this stupid to be making press releases out of this stuff too.
Insane, totally insane.
Palm will be history this time next year.
Here's an engadget video of the Pre in action (the best part is pandora running in the background with notifications bar integration). And some stuff from CES here.
So here's why I'm excited about the Pre:
1) True multi-tasking, I have gotten so annoyed with constantly going in and out of the home screen on the iPhone let alone not being able to listen to internet radio while browsing the web or reading e-mail.
2) Notifications, the notifications system on the iPhone is awful. They're basically pop-ups and I can't even imagine how terrible it'll be when 3.0 comes out and you got all these apps using push notifications. It'll be like browsing the internet 5 years ago when any pages you went to had pop-ups everywhere! Yeah, that sounds like a great experience!
3) The keyboard, look I liked the iPhone virtual keyboard but then I realized I always have to look at this thing if I want to do anything. I miss dialing a number while driving or hell changing a song while not looking (think iPod classic). For those of you who say the iPhone/iPod Touch music player is great I ask, in what way? It's not intuitive, you can't change songs without looking and really it's just a real all around pain to use.
4) App development, I'm really excited about making an application for this phone. It uses a common language and from what I've seen of the SDK so far it looks really easy to develop for. Hell, you can even develop on Linux, OS X, and Windows!
5) Non-proprietary connector! It uses USB! I can't tell you how tired I am of that stupid dock connector wearing out on my iPod's and my iPhone. Not to mention recently with the cables fraying. Let alone the price, forget it! I'm not dealing with that anymore.
6) Removable battery, I'm a heavy user. I kill my iPhone battery in roughly 3 hours and it's not even jailbroken. No, there's nothing wrong with the battery, I just enjoy streaming radio.
7) 2nd largest 3G network, regardless of how coverage is in your area the fact is that Spring has the 2nd largest 3G network. The largest being Verizon, I'll take my chances with Sprint over AT&T any day!
I loved my iPhone, I broke it recently and I do miss it. But I don't think I'll buy another one because the Pre looks to have everything I want out of a phone, I mean I literally can't think of anything else I'd want. My only wish is that the phone would be on Verizon, but that's okay I need a phone and so I'll go to Sprint until Verizon gets it.
As for this being an iPhone competitor, yeah I think it is because I don't think I've ever seen so many news stories about a non-apple device on this site ever before.
So here's why I'm excited about the Pre:
1) True multi-tasking, I have gotten so annoyed with constantly going in and out of the home screen on the iPhone let alone not being able to listen to internet radio while browsing the web or reading e-mail.
2) Notifications, the notifications system on the iPhone is awful. They're basically pop-ups and I can't even imagine how terrible it'll be when 3.0 comes out and you got all these apps using push notifications. It'll be like browsing the internet 5 years ago when any pages you went to had pop-ups everywhere! Yeah, that sounds like a great experience!
3) The keyboard, look I liked the iPhone virtual keyboard but then I realized I always have to look at this thing if I want to do anything. I miss dialing a number while driving or hell changing a song while not looking (think iPod classic). For those of you who say the iPhone/iPod Touch music player is great I ask, in what way? It's not intuitive, you can't change songs without looking and really it's just a real all around pain to use.
4) App development, I'm really excited about making an application for this phone. It uses a common language and from what I've seen of the SDK so far it looks really easy to develop for. Hell, you can even develop on Linux, OS X, and Windows!
5) Non-proprietary connector! It uses USB! I can't tell you how tired I am of that stupid dock connector wearing out on my iPod's and my iPhone. Not to mention recently with the cables fraying. Let alone the price, forget it! I'm not dealing with that anymore.
6) Removable battery, I'm a heavy user. I kill my iPhone battery in roughly 3 hours and it's not even jailbroken. No, there's nothing wrong with the battery, I just enjoy streaming radio.
7) 2nd largest 3G network, regardless of how coverage is in your area the fact is that Spring has the 2nd largest 3G network. The largest being Verizon, I'll take my chances with Sprint over AT&T any day!
I loved my iPhone, I broke it recently and I do miss it. But I don't think I'll buy another one because the Pre looks to have everything I want out of a phone, I mean I literally can't think of anything else I'd want. My only wish is that the phone would be on Verizon, but that's okay I need a phone and so I'll go to Sprint until Verizon gets it.
As for this being an iPhone competitor, yeah I think it is because I don't think I've ever seen so many news stories about a non-apple device on this site ever before.
Apple is addressing multi-tasking and battery performance on present systems, not on their upcoming models.
This is incorrect. They let the editor of Engadget bring one on Fallon not so long ago.
Nice but....
First of all... this is definitely a well edited and designed demo video. Note... you're not seeing a real time demo. This is all just video magic. How you you type? I never saw a keyboard?
Anyway... with that said... the challenge for competitors is how do they catch up to Apple. What Apple has done is incredible with the iPhone as a solid and fluid product that's just going to keep getting better. And... they have the worlds largest distribution network. iTunes. This is the killer part that others will have a tough time replicating that Apple is miles ahead.
Let's see... every iPhone user can use one interface to manage all their own data, download millions of songs, video's and TV shows... and there are thousands of Applications already written for the iPhone... Hummm... that's going to be hard to beat or even match for Palm or anyone else for that matter.
Anyway... being a technology nut... it will be nice to see this phone in action. I sure hope it's better than the other Palm phones that we're suppose to be iPhone killers!
First of all... this is definitely a well edited and designed demo video. Note... you're not seeing a real time demo. This is all just video magic. How you you type? I never saw a keyboard?
Anyway... with that said... the challenge for competitors is how do they catch up to Apple. What Apple has done is incredible with the iPhone as a solid and fluid product that's just going to keep getting better. And... they have the worlds largest distribution network. iTunes. This is the killer part that others will have a tough time replicating that Apple is miles ahead.
Let's see... every iPhone user can use one interface to manage all their own data, download millions of songs, video's and TV shows... and there are thousands of Applications already written for the iPhone... Hummm... that's going to be hard to beat or even match for Palm or anyone else for that matter.
Anyway... being a technology nut... it will be nice to see this phone in action. I sure hope it's better than the other Palm phones that we're suppose to be iPhone killers!
Dude... sorry to burst your bubble... but this site posts about many products that are related too, or possible alternatives to Apple devices. Discussions on Android dominated this site for weeks when it was announced.... which, at that time, everyone was screaming iPhone killer! This site is about technology... focused around Apple... but still, many things get covered and discussed. So this is no indication that this will kill the iPhone.
Honestly... I think the Pre will do well for Palm... but it's not going to make a dent in iPhone sales.
My friend... Just to clarify... the iPhone Ads are recorded in realtime. I was reading somewhere in the many magazines I skim for interesting articles that this is one of the requirements for the Ads... that they must be real. Watch them... remember... you actually see fingers moving the applications.
You are right about the Pre video... it's too early to show the real thing, so they've released a controlled video.
I'm aware of that, and maybe it's true that Android got the same amount of attention, I'm not sure. I feel that the Pre seems to be getting a lot more attention than anything else non-apple gets.
My friend... Just to clarify... the iPhone Ads are recorded in realtime. I was reading somewhere in the many magazines I skim for interesting articles that this is one of the requirements for the Ads... that they must be real. Watch them... remember... you actually see fingers moving the applications.
You are right about the Pre video... it's too early to show the real thing, so they've released a controlled video.
You mean the same ads that had Apple rapped on the knuckles by the British Advertising Standards Authority for being misleading. The same ads now have to state that steps have been removed and sequences shortened.
My friend... Just to clarify... the iPhone Ads are recorded in realtime. I was reading somewhere in the many magazines I skim for interesting articles that this is one of the requirements for the Ads... that they must be real. Watch them... remember... you actually see fingers moving the applications.
You are right about the Pre video... it's too early to show the real thing, so they've released a controlled video.
Er, not exactly true
And I know you're specifically talking about 'finger-use' but it highlights the point they most certainly aren't shot in real time.
Not trying to iPhone Bash, merely put some perspective on the Pre mockups.
EDIT: Beaten by Padraig(sp) cause I was looking for the BBC News article about it!
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Well, the same British Advertising Standards Authority would also rap you on the knuckles for being misleading. You are creating the false impression that Apple intentionally tried to dupe its audience when in reality they just shortened the sequence of steps somehow. By not mentioning this fact, you are misleading the public.
1) Apple has no patent on multi-touch or swiping. They didn't invent those.
2) Some states disallow contracts that prevent a person from working even at directly competing firms. Heck, Apple hired away a dozen Xerox employees to help create their first GUI.
3) Most important of all: there's no need for anything to be an "iPhone killer." Or RIM killer. The iPhone hasn't killed RIM or Microsoft, and never will. Nor will the others kill the iPhone.
There's plenty of market for all, and most makers are selling more and more devices every year... not less.
2) Some states disallow contracts that prevent a person from working even at directly competing firms. Heck, Apple hired away a dozen Xerox employees to help create their first GUI.
3) Most important of all: there's no need for anything to be an "iPhone killer." Or RIM killer. The iPhone hasn't killed RIM or Microsoft, and never will. Nor will the others kill the iPhone.
There's plenty of market for all, and most makers are selling more and more devices every year... not less.