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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!

Digital Skunk said:
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So many other things that have been talked to death on all the Pre threads and the, "What you want in your next iPhone thread" and the "What don't you like about your iPhone thread," that really makes me wonder where you've been for 2 years.

Seriously, we need more vulgar and useless iFart applications? :rolleyes:

You do have me laughing my @$$ off right now friend.
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by unrestricting the iphone most of those issues can be rectified.
 
Person 1: but, the majority of smartphone customers do.
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Person 2: Statistics to back that up?

TONS of people are buying smartphones, with no real need for any of the functions outside of a browser or email.
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And where are YOUR statistics to back up the "TONS" and "no real need" claims? :)

I think many people don't know or care about the technical difference between multi-tasking or not. However, being able to scroll through multiple windows with active tasks running, seems pretty useful and intuitive.

Reminds me a lot of the HP Touchsmart's tiles, and especially the NVidia concept device.
 
NT1440 said:
Funny, all I did was correct someone with wrong information......
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NT1440 said:
What world are you living in?:confused: Sure you can do alot with java, but I've never heard of people preferring it when it comes to real apps.

And the pre runs Javascript.
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"Real apps". You need to expand on that in the context of the iPhone vs Pre's javascript. You can't make a comment about java not being like "real apps" and leave it hanging just to give the impression that the iPhone is better.

As long as the Pre is able to run apps like Pandora, Yelp, TWC, etc. then what's the argument for the iPhone? It's not like the iPhone is running hugely complex apps like on a regular computer.

What apps on the iPhone can't be coded on the Pre other than perhaps some games? Even then, the gaming on the iPhone isn't ideal since there are no hardware controllers and buttons. PSP kills the iPhone in gaming. Pre kills the iPhone in smartphone capabilities.
 
You guys need to chill out. You're comparing the iPhone with a device that's not event out yet.

Everything that might be missing or not so good about the Pre might be corrected by the time it comes out. Everything that is missing about the iPhone might be corrected in the next revision, which is probably in the summer and by that time the Pre should be out.

Multitasking seems great but lets wait to see how it works in the real world.

The app store is great but there's also a lot of junk.
 
anjinhamarota said:
Multitasking seems great but lets wait to see how it works in the real world.
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We already know, from the past 25 years at least of going to modern OS's, that multitasking is very handy and possible.

The iPhone has background music play, email fetch, text reception. Almost necessary. Many owners find further multitasking to be a good reason to jailbreak.

Other phones are allowed to multitask turn-by-turn navigation, music, news feeds, GPS apps, and much more.

So multitasking is A Good Thing. I suppose you're asking how well it works on the Pre, though. Yes, that remains to be seen.
 
Digital Skunk said:
AND:

So many other things that have been talked to death on all the Pre threads and the, "What you want in your next iPhone thread" and the "What don't you like about your iPhone thread," that really makes me wonder where you've been for 2 years.

Seriously, we need more vulgar and useless iFart applications? :rolleyes:

You do have me laughing my @$$ off right now friend.
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Probably the most useful apps are the ones being held back right now in the "approval" process by Apple's rules and regulations. For example, there is the TomTom app (fully developed as of last summer), I know of at least 1 MMS app sitting in the approval process (ActivMMS by Qwasi), Opera Mobile (which seems like a legend right now), ShopSavvy (by Big in Japan, also in the "approval" process), and the apps listed in this link:

http://www.petitiononline.com/devapp/petition.html.

Any probably all MS Word doc editing apps like Documents to Go (which has been "coming soon" forever now). Is it just a coincidence that no one has developed an app for creating and editing the most popular text file in the world?

So, no, de-regulating the App Store likely won't lead to more garbage, but a bunch of useful apps. If you think it would lead to more garbage, what other kinds of garbage apps could we possibly get that we don't already have now? Look at these:

http://appshopper.com/entertainment/fartcall

http://appshopper.com/entertainment/douchemeter

You really think we are going to get stupid or vulgar ones than this or the DoucheMeter app? lol.
 
Mad Mac said:
"Real apps". You need to expand on that in the context of the iPhone vs Pre's javascript. You can't make a comment about java not being like "real apps" and leave it hanging just to give the impression that the iPhone is better.
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I gave no such impression that the iphone is better, I was just pointing out that you got your languages messed up.

In fact I never even mentioned the iphone because that doesn't run Java either.

I'm just a stickler for important details like that, didn't mean to influence anyone's opinion on the pre, just correct false information.
 
kas23 said:
If you think it would lead to more garbage, what other kinds of garbage apps could we possibly get that we don't already have now? Look at these:

http://appshopper.com/entertainment/fartcall

http://appshopper.com/entertainment/douchemeter

You really think we are going to get stupid or vulgar ones than this or the DoucheMeter app? lol.
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Sorry for asking, but how long have you been using the internet??

If you think those are as bad as it gets.......man the world must be a TERRIFYING place for you.:eek::p
 
kdarling said:
We already know, from the past 25 years at least of going to modern OS's, that multitasking is very handy and possible.

The iPhone has background music play, email fetch, text reception. Almost necessary. Many owners find further multitasking to be a good reason to jailbreak.

Other phones are allowed to multitask turn-by-turn navigation, music, news feeds, GPS apps, and much more.

So multitasking is A Good Thing. I suppose you're asking how well it works on the Pre, though. Yes, that remains to be seen.
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That's what I meant. I know it's a good thing and I wish we had it on the iPhone. But it doesn't interest me if it kills the battery too much or if it makes the phone lag too much. We've only seen demos on the Pre, so we don't know how well it will work in the real world.
 
Mad Mac said:
Yes, it's javascript and not java proper. Yes, javascript runs under html. But what's your point? What does the iPhone do better?
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You are obviously not a professional software developer, or you could easily come up with a huge list of apps that are far better done in Java or C than in Javascript (due to performance, tools, APIs, available libraries, etc.).

See if you can find, for instance, any voice recognition written in JavaScript. Or face recognition. Or quality photo filters. Or medical imaging software. Or music synthesizers. etc. etc. etc. (and that's without even mentioning 3D games and other fun stuff that's in the top-100 apps listings...)

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kdarling said:
So multitasking is A Good Thing.
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Multitasking is a good thing. That's why the iPhone OS can, within the set of built-in apps that Apple has tested. The question is whether allowing unlimited multitasking on a resource limited consumer phone will enhance Apple's bottom line. Right now, the iPhone is selling a lot better than WinMob devices, with their built-in fancy task managers. So that feature alone isn't likely to sell many Pre's.
 
firewood said:
The question is whether allowing unlimited multitasking on a resource limited consumer phone will enhance Apple's bottom line.
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Of course that's a great question for Apple's bankers, but not for the users.

Right now, the iPhone is selling a lot better than WinMob devices, with their built-in fancy task managers. So that feature alone isn't likely to sell many Pre's.
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Apparently it doesn't hurt.

Twenty (20) million WinMo phones have been sold worldwide in the past twelve months. What's that, about twice the iPhone during the same time period?

The HTC Diamond, Pro, HD are very popular, as are the Omnia and Xperia, among others.
 
kdarling said:
Of course that's a great question for Apple's bankers, but not for the users.
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Given that Apple is a public company, it makes no sense for users to wish for something that would devalue the company's worth to its shareholders. There are laws about the fiduciary duties of company executives to their shareholders (even though some break these laws, and hopefully eventually get jail sentences... instead of bailout packages :eek:

If you want to make a case that Apple should so something, to be realistic you need to show how Apple's bottom line profit (or other asset value) will clearly be higher because of the change you desire.

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kdarling said:
Twenty (20) million WinMo phones have been sold worldwide in the past twelve months. What's that, about twice the iPhone during the same time period?

The HTC Diamond, Pro, HD are very popular, as are the Omnia and Xperia, among others.
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Thats 20 million of the dozens and dozens of phones that run WM vs the ONE iphone......


What kind of stupid comparison is that?
 
firewood said:
I think you will find a major change in relative sales rates between the first quarter and last quarter of 2008.
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Good observation, but I see it more as between 2Q and 3Q.

In 2Q almost no iPhones were sold, due to people waiting for the 3G iPhone. Contrarily, in 3Q people were buying the long awaited Apple 3G model, and holding back waiting for the new RIM and HTC models. I suspect 1Q and 4Q were about equal for all makers.

NT1440 said:
What kind of stupid comparison is that?
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No need to be rude. The claim was that having a task manager meant fewer WM sales. Please keep up.
 
kas23 said:
You really think we are going to get stupid or vulgar ones than this or the DoucheMeter app? lol.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I had no idea where the deregulation thing was going.

I do hope that the iPhone does get the power to edit documents and spreadsheets and such since it means more people may be interested in getting some bigger smart phone features in an OS update or so.

As for the releasing of the Pre, I am going to take the stance that everyone took before the iPhone SDK. "Whatever problem may exist with the Pre, will be fixed with an OS update, all hardware issues will be resolved by the next revision, and there will be a Pre Nano and a Pre Pro in a year tops!" :D
 
NT1440 said:
Sorry for asking, but how long have you been using the internet??

If you think those are as bad as it gets.......man the world must be a TERRIFYING place for you.:eek::p
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If your talking about porn, you can scratch that one off the list because we don't have flash. Sorry, there really can't be much more garbage (excluding offensive content, of course) on the App Store. And if deregulating the app store brings mms, background apps, & gps, in addition to porn, then great, I guess I'll never get lost while simultaneously driving and sending a dirty picture to my wife.
 
What I like about the Pre

There are a few things I like about the Pre:

CDMA. Good for those few people who gets zero AT&T/GSM coverage where they currently live or work.

Javascript or OS enhanced to multithread several applets. (It might be just a single Javascript interpreter switching between apps, not actual OS multitasking. TBD.)

Javascript enhanced to make clean API calls outside the web page sandbox. (Needs to be done with URL hacks in the current iPhone OS).

Usable touch gestures outside the actual display area. (The current iPhone UI sometimes has problems with touches started near the screen edge.)

Chicklet keyboard. Good for the person I know who hates touchscreen keyboards so much he won't even try to use one.


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