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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!
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There's a good article on Arstechnica about the concept of WebOS synergy and general cloud computing that I think some might find as a good read.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090111-of-clouds-palms-webos-and-cutting-the-cord.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090111-of-clouds-palms-webos-and-cutting-the-cord.html
Yes, there are a lot of us who really hate the whole iTunes paradigm. Especially the junk about being tied to one computer or being unable to upload from the phone if your home computer crashes.
Everything should be over the air anyway.
The main reason the iPhone will never be ubiquitous, is because it requires being hooked to a broadband computer to be (re)activated at first, or after an OS recovery. That's a big requirement in some parts of the world.
(What other phone on the planet requires you to reload the entire OS in order to fix little software glitches, like oh say the Other going to a ridiculous size? Woof, Apple.)
Everything should be over the air anyway.
The main reason the iPhone will never be ubiquitous, is because it requires being hooked to a broadband computer to be (re)activated at first, or after an OS recovery. That's a big requirement in some parts of the world.
(What other phone on the planet requires you to reload the entire OS in order to fix little software glitches, like oh say the Other going to a ridiculous size? Woof, Apple.)
I personally don't want my Apps running in the background. The iPhone BARELY has enough memory to run the current Apple Apps in the background. The iPhone would suck if anything could run in the background. Everything would crash all the time due to low memory. The iPhone runs okay as it is... I would just like Push notifications, that's all.
Also, I think a lot of users here are going to stay with the iPhone because it has one thing the Palm doesn't have... An Apple logo. Say what you want, I like my Apple stuff whether it has every single feature or not, it's still better than the competition.
Yeah and the iPhone is just ONE phone. Windows Mobile runs on a TON of phones. Use your head sometimes okay?
If your home computer crashes and you don't make backups... then you're an idiot. Also, after a restore, the iPhone activates itself... it doesn't have to be hooked to a computer.
Also, I think a lot of users here are going to stay with the iPhone because it has one thing the Palm doesn't have... An Apple logo. Say what you want, I like my Apple stuff whether it has every single feature or not, it's still better than the competition.
Is that why WinMob phones (with all their Task Managers) outsold iPhones and Centros (which don't have a task manager) last year?
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Yeah and the iPhone is just ONE phone. Windows Mobile runs on a TON of phones. Use your head sometimes okay?
If your home computer crashes and you don't make backups... then you're an idiot. Also, after a restore, the iPhone activates itself... it doesn't have to be hooked to a computer.
I think comparing the number of WinMo devices sold to iPhones sold is a very fair comparison. When someone buys a phone, they are making a choice to buy an iphone or not. The fact is, there are millions more people chosing not to buy an iPhone.
It really doesn't matter that sales are less because Apple is just selling one phone. I fail to see how that matters. It's not like there is a shortage of iPhones so people are forced to buy other phones. Don't get me wrong, I love my iPhone. It may be the most popular phone currently (mostly due to the Apple logo on it), but it is certainly not the most popular mobile OS platform. Symbian and WinMo are greatly outselling the iPhone platform.
It really doesn't matter that sales are less because Apple is just selling one phone. I fail to see how that matters. It's not like there is a shortage of iPhones so people are forced to buy other phones. Don't get me wrong, I love my iPhone. It may be the most popular phone currently (mostly due to the Apple logo on it), but it is certainly not the most popular mobile OS platform. Symbian and WinMo are greatly outselling the iPhone platform.
Out of those people buying WinMo phones... how many of them have (a. Tried an iPhone) and (b. Enjoy using WinMo). My brother had a WinMo phone and he HATED it, but he couldn't afford the iPhone at the time. I finally convinced him to get the iPhone 3G and he loves it and doesn't miss that WinMo piece of crap. There are a lot of people also that refuse to buy anything Apple (due to a long running hate of the company for their computers). I don't know anyone who's switched to the iPhone and then switched back to a different phone. I also don't know anyone who's switched to a Mac and turned back to Windows... it must not happen very often. I was lucky... My first computer was a Mac and I've never owned a PC or Windows-based machine. I prefer the Mac software and the iPhone software.
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well, this is not a muffin metaphor:
a boy offers you a half-baked cookie if you pay 10cents/month for 2 years.
this cookie is a special one, it as cream all over it.
the boy also tells you that someday you will eat the another half, or another quarter of that cookie. you keep the cookie with you, expecting that the boy will bake the another half for you someday in time.
another boy comes in the street with a new cookie. this is not a half-baked cookie and got the same oshii cream.
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Palm Pre's processor beats Apple iPhone's
The current iPhone has an ARM 11-based architecture from Samsung (S3C6400). While a popular chip with many advantages, it isn't state of the art - it might have been when iPhone was announced 2 years ago but now it is very "middle of the road". And for battery draw (and heat?) reasons, Apple doesn't even crank it all of the way up. It currently doesn't even reach 500MHz (out of a possible 667MHz).
As I stated last month, most new high-end multimedia phones will be coming with ARM Cortex A8-based microprocessors which offer roughly double the speed at, again roughly, the same battery draw as the ARM 11 series processors. These processors are even climbing up into netbook territory.
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a boy offers you a half-baked cookie if you pay 10cents/month for 2 years.
this cookie is a special one, it as cream all over it.
the boy also tells you that someday you will eat the another half, or another quarter of that cookie. you keep the cookie with you, expecting that the boy will bake the another half for you someday in time.
another boy comes in the street with a new cookie. this is not a half-baked cookie and got the same oshii cream.
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Palm Pre's processor beats Apple iPhone's
The current iPhone has an ARM 11-based architecture from Samsung (S3C6400). While a popular chip with many advantages, it isn't state of the art - it might have been when iPhone was announced 2 years ago but now it is very "middle of the road". And for battery draw (and heat?) reasons, Apple doesn't even crank it all of the way up. It currently doesn't even reach 500MHz (out of a possible 667MHz).
As I stated last month, most new high-end multimedia phones will be coming with ARM Cortex A8-based microprocessors which offer roughly double the speed at, again roughly, the same battery draw as the ARM 11 series processors. These processors are even climbing up into netbook territory.
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Unfortunately, you can only look at cookie. This boy will not let you buy this new cookie until "later this year".
EDIT: Oh, also, this boy cannot tell you how much his cookie is going to cost you.
Currently has vs. will be. Silly comparison.
according to gizmodo:
With Sprint, Palm is considering two different price points to be decided based on the competitive landscape at the time of the Pre's summer '09 release—a part of the original report that has been revealed as true, pretty much—and will settle on either a $399/$149 or $499/$199 unsubsidized/subsidized pricing.
Totally agree. I am already planning on switching once they get some apps in the store to replace the ones I use now. Picking up a unlocked european version and then I will sit back and wait and see what Apple does...
Agreed, it's a design problem. Time to ramp up the iPhone memory.
Lots of people want to run things in the background. Just look at the current thread about using Pandora. It sucks on the iPhone because you can ONLY run Pandora. On other devices, you continue to listen to it while you surf the web.
To say you don't want multitasking, is to go back to MS-DOS days. It seriously sounds like some Kool-Aid is involved, since I bet if Apple allowed background tasks you would change your mind in a heartbeat. Or will you not use the feature if it comes???
The thing is... I *do* want background apps, but I do not want it on the current version of the iPhone... the RAM is just not enough. Apps would crash like crazy constantly... so unless they update the hardware with more RAM, I do not want apps running in the background. That's what I meant.
Of course it is. (Especially in the original thread, which was not comparing the iphone to any particular WM phone, but comparing task manager'd OS's to non.)
The opposite path to take, would be to break it down by model... and that goes for the iPhone as well.
There have been two main models (EDGE, 3G) of the iPhone so far. Come this summer, there might be a third or even more if a "nano" really appeared. I guarantee that iPhone supporters will be still trying to lump them together for sales comparisons, even as they DO NOW.
Otherwise, well, let's see. During the same time that the EDGE iPhone sold 5 million, just the original HTC Touch sold 3 million. That's pretty amazing, considering the iPhone was hyped enormously in the press for a year, and the HTC barely advertised except amongst WM fans.
is there even a date listed for this?
I would think it would be more competition for blackberry and not the Iphone, just my 2 cents
I would think it would be more competition for blackberry and not the Iphone, just my 2 cents
That's a pretty good 2 cents' worth. Good point. I think it's a rival to both.
It still needs lots of features added, just like the original iPhone did.
I don't think the Pre has Exchange support yet, for instance. But since Microsoft had no problem licensing it to Apple (and thus taking a cut of iPhone profits), they'll probably do the same with Palm.
Of course it does. It's connected to a computer during the restore, and is re-activated during that procedure.
It's the way they can match up you (via iTunes) and the phone, to send that info to the backend activation servers.
Palm Pre
The Pre has a lot of good features such as the wireless charger and extending the touch surface off the screen and consolidating contact information from the internet. But I think it lacks the strength in features such as media playback and GAMES, which are two key elements that appeal to younger people. It has a business look about it.
The Pre has a lot of good features such as the wireless charger and extending the touch surface off the screen and consolidating contact information from the internet. But I think it lacks the strength in features such as media playback and GAMES, which are two key elements that appeal to younger people. It has a business look about it.
Why do I not care about ARM's version of the Cortex?
Here the track record of Dan Dobberpuhl's design teams:
Designed a multicore PowerPC chip with much lower power than anything the PowerPC consortium did (with similar performance).
Designed a MIPs CPU both faster and with lower power than MIPS, Inc. had.
Designed an ARM CPU with more performance than ARM, Inc. had (at the same power).
Designed the DEC Alpha, which scared the pants off of the rest of the industry with its raw performance and clock rate (it hit 500 MHz before Intel got even half way there).
He's at Apple designing chips, very likely for the next after the next iPhone-like devices. Possibly the next one if everybody is very very lucky.
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That... that's...
You just said that you'll accept a weaker product with less features than the competition, BECAUSE it's Apple? How you can the brand name makes it better when you just detailed that it's worse? Do you realize how retarded that is?
Yes I do realize that it may sound retarded to you, but I'm an Apple fanatic and I like having all Apple stuff. The UI and the Operating System is what I crave and want. I'm not going to step down from that and use some other system even if it has more features. Technically Windows has more "features" and "options" than OS X, but I'd rather use OS X because it's more enjoyable. To me, the iPhone is more enjoyable than any other phone out there... regardless of what features the other phones have. So I guess I'm retarded then.
Edit: I said "I think a lot of users here are going to stay with the iPhone because it has one thing the Palm doesn't have... An Apple logo." – This is MacRumors afterall. Most of us are Mac addicts.
Actually, most phones do. Apple's firmware update process is more or less in line with the rest of the industry.
My Motorola SLVR didn't require a reload to fix the bugs it had. Admittedly, that was because Motorola didn't actually ever fix the POS that was its firmware...
I totally understand where you are coming from. For me, I barely have ever used a WinMo phone before buying my iPhone. I have no idea if WinMo is better or not. It's impossible (without a really thorough survey) to quantify who has tried a WinMo phone and an iPhone, and then picked the iPhone or WinMo phone. There are also people who probably saw the Apple label and bought it without even trying it out. Or, people who went to a non-AT&T store and bought whatever the salesman talked them into. We'll probably never have any hard numbers on these things. This leave us only with the total number of units sold, which is easier to track.
On jailbroken iPhone there's a program called Backgrounder that allows you to run apps like Pandora in the background while use Safari and other apps. I've used it with no hiccups, save that you can only use it to have ONE backgrounded app at a time.
I have 100% confidence that Apple will make absolutely no modifications to their plan for firmware 3.0 based on what Palm is coming out with. There is really no precedence for Apple producing a reactionary product based on what other manufacturers are coming out with.