So theyve tested it, running all of Palms built in features and few if any 3rd party apps.
Woo hoo?
Real world useage by real world people is the only real measure to go by.
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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!
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So theyve tested it, running all of Palms built in features and few if any 3rd party apps.
Woo hoo?
Real world useage by real world people is the only real measure to go by.
So what? You'd prefer Palm hide their cards and instead deal out minor improvements piecemeal over the course of 2 years like Apple?
And then Palm will come out with another phone/ update, then Android will too, then Apple will as well.
How does anyone lose with this?
You could say the same thing for Apple's 3.0 software.
Hypocrisy is a hilarious thing, no?
So what? You'd prefer Palm hide their cards and instead deal out minor improvements piecemeal over the course of 2 years like Apple?
And then Palm will come out with another phone/ update, then Android will too, then Apple will as well.
How does anyone lose with this?
I don't trust Palm, they might let their new OS stagnate like they did for past 10 years or so.
Same thing for the 3.0 update, except that Apple gave us less.
There's no proof of a new phone.
The Pre looks and works the same way. You get notifications that just pop up while you are working on something. You can tape the icon to go to that app, or ignore it.
And that's perfectly fine, but don't toss vaporware around like it's evidence for the belittling of a product or company.
And this is where pressure from Apple and other devs work back to force them to push ahead.
See how it works? Everyone gets a better phone.
There wasn't until Apple officially announced it.
The same thing goes for Pre in many regards, but Palm at least announced it.
No one supporting WebOS is touting the Pre Pro as being the REAL iPhone killer just because it may be a safe bet that Palm will put WebOS into other devices.
And yes competition is good.
I am sure Apple announced the 3.0 update in response to Palm's showing them up on both the hardware and software side of the fence. Although Apple didn't have to do anything since many would have just ignored any tech that comes out that doesn't have the Apple logo.
Funny how i never said 3.0 is a godsend right? ALL BETAS NEED TESTING.
I'm impressed by the new features, but as with everything, REAL WORLD TESTING IS NEEDED.
They've tried dev models with pre-installed apps running a base install.
They did not:
- Accessed any app store, or installed third party apps to see how they function
- Test sync capabilities in real world situations
- The video doesn't show true multitasking. Are two apps using the processor simulataneously? Where?
What I did see was some pretty slow response times for things as simple as taking a photo. "Less is more," indeed. But I'm reserving judgement, because again, this isn't a real, for-sale device yet.
If I had to choose between the device in my hand and doing its job well, and the one that tech writers have only had a few minute with and are content to use that as their basis to justify their alleged journalistic integrity, I'll go with the former, thanks.
Funny you should say that, seeing as developers have the beta in thair hands right now. Where's the dev beta for the pre? I'd like to see it! Oh right, it doesn't exist yet...
Um, I'm guessing you didn't really look all that closely then. There's one game, a few that might fairly be called "entertainment" (Stanza, Pandora, Now Playing), and the rest do entirely different things. (side point: so what if a lot of the apps are "entertainment" apps? Does that make them worthless?)
And really, enough with the ifart jokes. Yes, those apps are out there. No, I've never seen one on anyone's phone. No, they don't make the rest of the apps on there any less valuable. And no, they're not 50% of the app store, or 10%, or 1%. Maybe .1%. Maybe.
Well if that's your sole criterion, then by all means, get a Pre, or a blackberry, or whatever else makes you happy. Just understand that a burning need to edit office docs on a 3.5" screen is not exactly where most people are coming from (and I say this as both a consumer iphone user and a business blackberry user who has never felt the need to edit an office doc on either device).
Because your 30 things running at once are going to A) crash the phone, B) grind its performance to a halt, even if it doesn't crash, and C) drain the battery in about 5 minutes even if it doesn't crash or grind to a halt.
What exactly do you need to have running in the background? I can think of one instance where I would use that, and that's to have pandora running in the background like the ipod app can. Other than that, push notifications are 100% as good for my uses.
What are you talking about? When did I ever say all of this was apple's initiatives? You're just attacking strawmen here.
More to the point, who cares where it came from? Bottom line is that as of now, apple has the app store and palm has nothing close.
Really? That's your argument? Cook basically said update in June in that interview a few months ago. I mean... you're not seriously suggesting there won't be a new phone with the release of 3.0, are you? Seriously?
I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time arguing with you people. If you love the Pre so much, buy it. Oh, WAIT...
Have you actually looked for it?
I don't know where it is, but you haven't proved to anyone that it's not available.
Oh wait!
Much of your post is ranting, so it's moot. That part in bold shows that you really don't understand the word hypocrisy. Anyone that's been the in Apple camp long enough knows not to expect anything until it's released. Cook also mentioned having ideas about a tablet Mac and netbook.... haven't seen either yet.
I suggest calming down, and not taking things so personally.
p.s. We that support the Pre, aren't swearing off of the iPhone, but I guess it looks that way to you.... sorry you're that way.
How can anyone complain about the iPhone keyboard after looking at the teeny-tiny keys on this one?
Also, the iPhone's on-screen keyboard can be modified depending on the app, making if far more flexible. For example, having a ".com" key when typing in an email address saves 4 keystrokes. The Pre can't do that with a physical keyboard.
And unless the Pre can play all of my tunes and allow me to buy songs from the iTunes Store, it's far from an iPhone Killer.
Also, the iPhone's on-screen keyboard can be modified depending on the app, making if far more flexible. For example, having a ".com" key when typing in an email address saves 4 keystrokes. The Pre can't do that with a physical keyboard.
And unless the Pre can play all of my tunes and allow me to buy songs from the iTunes Store, it's far from an iPhone Killer.
Palms very own site says it goes public in a few months, so no, its not REALLY out in the wild only a few select groups have Mojo right now.
Scaredpoet asked if anyone had the developer's beta for the Pre. I showed him that some do.
I don't get the point.
There have been countless millions more Blackberrys sold. The device has been out longer.
Better yet, how many copies of Windows Vista have been sold.
Really? I'd say it's quite rational throughout. But maybe you can point me to the "ranting?"
For example. You said my app list was all entertainment and ifart apps. I pointed out to you that, as a matter of pure fact, that's simply wrong. Is that "ranting?" You said that the app store was "useless" to you if it couldn't deliver Office editing apps. I pointed out that only a small minority of people feel that way. Again, ranting?
I could keep going, but I don't want to rant again.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and not report you for personal insults, but you're certainly pushing it.
I... just don't know what to say to you. It's like you're reading what I wrote and your brain is transforming it in to something else. I posted point-by-point responses to a variety of things you and that other guy said and you apparently have no response except to accuse me of taking it personally? I can only assume this is the age-old debating trick of trying to make the other person seem unreasonable when you have nothing left to say to actually defend your position.
Sorry I'm what "way?" Do tell.
Never insulted you.
Your point-by-point responses are all opinion based, and not backed up by anything.
Such as:
- No one edits documents on a 3.5" screen.
- Multitasking will eat up battery life.
- No one will have anything running in the background other than Pandora.
- You don't find entertainment apps worthless.
- "Well if that's your sole criterion, then by all means, get a Pre, or a blackberry, or whatever else makes you happy"
- Basically Apple App store makes up for UI and feature issues.
I'll admit, the inability to edit office docs on the iPhone is a personal issue.
