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'Palm Pre' Smartphone Announced: WebOS, Wireless Charging, App Store

nfl46 said:
Yes, if you want to get some real business done on an iPhone, but instead we have apps like iFart, that's still number 1 in the App Store for weeks now! :rolleyes:
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I like your summary, however I can live with the iphone keyboard.

Well, it may be nice for quick txt replies, internet searches, entering contact info without loosing 3/4 of the screen.
 
In a way, it feels like Palm is trying to be the new Apple. After fading away for a few years they come back with a whole new platform (based on Linux too), and they're paying attention to both the technical features and the usability. Even the announcement at CES seemed to be "inspired" by Jobs' presentations. Since it's only been a couple of days we're still in the hype phase, but I really hope that the Pre lives up to it.
 
Povilas said:
Doesn't mean they all just jump out of their seats and start developing for Palm ;) And we'll talk more when it's out.
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They don't need to, they already program for the platform. The platform is simply web technologies.
 
imacdaddy said:
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5G77 Safari/525.20)



The Pre did noy set any standards with those features mentioned which have been around for years. I loved Palm but that was years ago and I'm happy they are trying to turn things around. This is good competition for Apple and the market.

Also, why does copy/paste and running apps in background have to be on the next iPhone version? Apple just simply needs to update the current firmware...whenever that may be.
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Because Apple has a history of releasing new hardware with new features, and then abandoning its older hardware. Remember when they added things like searching to that "5.5G" iPod? Everything they added was a simple firmware update, and yet they never released it for the original 5G iPod. They wanted you to buy a new one.
 
nfl46 said:
I don't see many or hardly any celebs with iPhones. I bet you one of the main reasons is the lack of a physical keyboard.

This also implies for business users, too.
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I'll bet you it's ignorancy about the nonphysical keyboard. I assume you've used the iPhone keyboard? There's absolutely nothing about it that makes it not good for business use (and some businesses do use them). It's easy to type on, and much MUCH faster than a physical keyboard, atleast in my case. Obviously, if a person doesn't find it easier, then they shouldn't get an iPhone, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it, and the versatility you get from it is very useful.

As for celebrities, I don't care. Trent Reznor has one...who cares? I consider him more important than "celebrities" you may be referring to.
 
ZiggyPastorius said:
I'll bet you it's ignorancy about the nonphysical keyboard. I assume you've used the iPhone keyboard? There's absolutely nothing about it that makes it not good for business use (and some businesses do use them). It's easy to type on, and much MUCH faster than a physical keyboard, atleast in my case. Obviously, if a person doesn't find it easier, then they shouldn't get an iPhone, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it, and the versatility you get from it is very useful.

As for celebrities, I don't care. Trent Reznor has one...who cares? I consider him more important than "celebrities" you may be referring to.
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I actually have an iPhone. I had the first generation, now I have the 3G.

Do you see many business professionals with the iPhone? I'll wait on your answer.
 
Povilas said:
But Apple does something that no one can do, they can take simple things, technology available for years and they put it together like no one can. Of course they power it with software and software they do very well. What Steve Balmer said about iPhone? How reacted other vendors (Nokia, HTC etc.,?) and how marker looks now? Apple really reinvented the phone, iPhone is not perfect by all means, but it pushed the industry and that's the fact.
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And the Pocket PC and the Blackberry which all came before the iPhone pushed the industry as well, and that's a fact. Apple might be an innovative company, but they certainly aren't the only one, and they certainly don't get everything right the first time, like Apple TV, as well as other failures like iPod Hi-Fi and the G4 Cube.
 
ZiggyPastorius said:
I'll bet you it's ignorancy about the nonphysical keyboard. I assume you've used the iPhone keyboard? There's absolutely nothing about it that makes it not good for business use (and some businesses do use them). It's easy to type on, and much MUCH faster than a physical keyboard, atleast in my case. Obviously, if a person doesn't find it easier, then they shouldn't get an iPhone, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it, and the versatility you get from it is very useful.

As for celebrities, I don't care. Trent Reznor has one...who cares? I consider him more important than "celebrities" you may be referring to.
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He's obviously more important because he has an iPhone, right? I bet if he used an old Motorola from 1996 he'd be even less important than other celebrities.
 
nfl46 said:
I actually have an iPhone. I had the first generation, now I have the 3G.

Do you see many business professionals with the iPhone? I'll wait on your answer.
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I already gave my answer.

...(and some businesses do use them)...
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They are not ubiquitous, though. But what you should be discussing is what about the iPhone keyboard would make it not good for a business person. If it's fast, easy, and versatile, why, if the business wanted to use iPhones, would it be a bad idea? The reasons why businesses would not use iPhones are so great in number, that saying the keyboard is the reason they're not good for business users is simply an "affirming the consequent" fallacy.

Edit: Oh, and it also came to mind because when I was waiting for Tap Tap Revenge: Nine Inch Nails' edition, I found out he had an iPhone when he posted a beta screenshot of his home screen.
He's obviously more important because he has an iPhone, right? I bet if he used an old Motorola from 1996 he'd be even less important than other celebrities.
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Actually, it was a joke. If you must know, the reason I consider Trent Reznor to be "more important" is because his music has been more of an inspiration and an influence on my own music than any other mainstream artist. Of course, I'm sure you couldn't fathom there being a non-Apple related reason I put that in there, because you're an assumptuous person.
 
ZiggyPastorius said:
I already gave my answer.



They are not ubiquitous, though. But what you should be discussing is what about the iPhone keyboard would make it not good for a business person. If it's fast, easy, and versatile, why, if the business wanted to use iPhones, would it be a bad idea? The reasons why businesses would not use iPhones are so great in number, that saying the keyboard is the reason they're not good for business users is simply an "affirming the consequent" fallacy.
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I said many, not some. So the answer to my question would be no, correct?
 
Povilas said:
Just shows how stubborn some people are.
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Actually, what it (rightfully) shows is that not everyone falls in love with the iPhone. Did it cross your mind that maybe a lot of so-called "business professionals" tried the iPhone and didn't like it? Maybe they're stubborn, but I doubt it. I know people that tried Mac OS X and didn't like it. They weren't stubborn, they just preferred the alternatives. And isn't that why we have so many different choices? To use what we like? Just because the iPhone is perceived and hip and trendy doesn't make it the best solution for everyone.
 
Quillz said:
Actually, what it (rightfully) shows is that not everyone falls in love with the iPhone. Did it cross your mind that maybe a lot of so-called "business professionals" tried the iPhone and didn't like it? Maybe they're stubborn, but I doubt it. I know people that tried Mac OS X and didn't like it. They weren't stubborn, they just preferred the alternatives. And isn't that why we have so many different choices? To use what we like? Just because the iPhone is perceived and hip and trendy doesn't make it the best solution for everyone.
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This is very true. Although there is the whole issue (as is being discussed here) about the "physical keyboard." I've still asked the question that has not been answered:

If the keyboard is fast, easy, and versatile, why would it not be good for businesses, simply because it's not physical?

I'm not being facetious, I'd really like to know. I think there are a lot of businesses that won't even consider the iPhone simply because they don't think the virtual keyboard will work.
 
ZiggyPastorius said:
You answered none of my points.

Did you even read this?



I said there aren't many, flat out. Then I went on to point out other things that you completely ignored.
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I'm at work, and should be working & not on my iPhone- hence the reason I didn't read over everything you said. If I would have seen the word ubiquitous, I wouldn't have made my previous comment.
 
nfl46 said:
I'm at work, and should be working & not on my iPhone- hence the reason I didn't read over everything you said. If I would have seen the word ubiquitous, I wouldn't have made my previous comment.
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Fair enough. I apologise for sounding snarky at all. I really am genuinely curious about the whole physical-keyboards-only-for-businesses thing.
 
Quillz said:
Actually, what it (rightfully) shows is that not everyone falls in love with the iPhone. Did it cross your mind that maybe a lot of so-called "business professionals" tried the iPhone and didn't like it? Maybe they're stubborn, but I doubt it. I know people that tried Mac OS X and didn't like it. They weren't stubborn, they just preferred the alternatives. And isn't that why we have so many different choices? To use what we like? Just because the iPhone is perceived and hip and trendy doesn't make it the best solution for everyone.
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So plastic keyboard is the best solution?
 
ZiggyPastorius said:
Fair enough. I apologise for sounding snarky at all. I really am genuinely curious about the whole physical-keyboards-only-for-businesses thing.
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Coming from skytel pagers to BB to iphone I can type faster and more accurately than I can with the iphone. Perhaps its the physical feeling of the keys that gives me assurance that I am hitting the correct key.
 
Povilas said:
So plastic keyboard is the best solution?
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For some, yes. Did you read what I wrote? Some will love the iPhone, others will not. It's all about choices and using what's best for you. My guess is that most business professionals have used alternatives to the iPhone for so long that they believe they can only be productive on physical keyboards. Whether this is correct or not is none of our business. If people want to stick with what they know and refuse to try something new, then let them. Maybe that does make them stubborn, but who really cares? Does it personally bother you that not everyone around you uses the iPhone?
 
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