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Coming from skytel pagers to BB to iphone I can type faster and more accurately than I can with the iphone. Perhaps its the physical feeling of the keys that gives me assurance that I am hitting the correct key.

That's all fine and dandy. I didn't doubt that the iPhone might not be the fastest for some. I can type so much faster on the iPhone than on blackberries or my Centro, it's ridiculous, but my question is: Why is a plastic physical keyboard automatically the requirement for a "business-ready" phone. Why is it that if a phone doesn't have a physical keyboard, people say it's not a "business phone." I just don't get it.
 
But somehow for business it is? Plastic keyboard.
For whatever reason, it would seem that most people in business prefer using iPhone alternatives. And, you know, it may not even be due to the keyboard. Most are using Blackberries, which have very strong integration with Microsoft Exchange and other business servers. iPhone 2.0 may have ActiveSync, but from what I've read, it still pales in comparison to what can be done with the alternatives.
 
For some, yes. Did you read what I wrote? Some will love the iPhone, others will not. It's all about choices and using what's best for you. My guess is that most business professionals have used alternatives to the iPhone for so long that they believe they can only be productive on physical keyboards. Whether this is correct or not is none of our business. If people want to stick with what they know and refuse to try something new, then let them. Maybe that does make them stubborn, but who really cares? Does it personally bother you that not everyone around you uses the iPhone?

That's what i wanted to hear. I don't have an iPhone ;)
 
But somehow for business it is? Plastic keyboard.

Did I ever say that? Plastic keyboards have their place. Some people don't like the lack of feedback from the iPhone, some people don't like having to depress real keys. It's all preference (as I said).

Does one have to beat the other? Nope. Phones with physical keys can coexist with touch screen phones. And in my opinion the pre is meeting that happy middle ground, with some touch screen UI, some physical UI and that little gesture area in between.
 
That's all fine and dandy. I didn't doubt that the iPhone might not be the fastest for some. I can type so much faster on the iPhone than on blackberries or my Centro, it's ridiculous, but my question is: Why is a plastic physical keyboard automatically the requirement for a "business-ready" phone. Why is it that if a phone doesn't have a physical keyboard, people say it's not a "business phone." I just don't get it.

because it's not as fatiguing. You can type much longer on a blackberry than you can on the touch screen of an iPhone (this is just coming from personal experience)

For example: I can type about 45 words per minute on an iPhone for a little while, before I start to make mistakes left and right.
However on a blackberry bold I've been able to type about 40 words per minute (this is without owning one, had I owned one and used it for a bit longer I'm sure I'd be able to type just as fast if not faster than I can on my iPhone) however I can just keep typing away on the bold. That is-- on the iPhone after a little while I start to slow down, and have to backspace constantly, where with the bold I can just chug along without making many mistakes and I keep a pretty constant pace.
 
because it's not as fatiguing. You can type much longer on a blackberry than you can on the touch screen of an iPhone (this is just coming from personal experience)

For example: I can type about 45 words per minute on an iPhone for a little while, before I start to make mistakes left and right.
However on a blackberry bold I've been able to type about 40 words per minute (this is without owning one, had I owned one and used it for a bit longer I'm sure I'd be able to type just as fast if not faster than I can on my iPhone) however I can just keep typing away on the bold. That is-- on the iPhone after a little while I start to slow down, and have to backspace constantly, where with the bold I can just chug along without making many mistakes and I keep a pretty constant pace.

I suppose this may be true. It just strikes me because I don't have this problem. I've sat in bed for hours before typing on my iPod touch, and with how much I use it for typing (not much) compared to my Centro, I can still type significantly faster on the touch. I guess I just don't get why it's automatically discredited as not being "business-friendly." I completely understand on an individual basis, just not why everyone thinks "physical keyboard" is part of the criteria for "use in a business." This is probably the closest answer I'm going to get, though, so thank you.
 
because it's not as fatiguing. You can type much longer on a blackberry than you can on the touch screen of an iPhone (this is just coming from personal experience)

For example: I can type about 45 words per minute on an iPhone for a little while, before I start to make mistakes left and right.
However on a blackberry bold I've been able to type about 40 words per minute (this is without owning one, had I owned one and used it for a bit longer I'm sure I'd be able to type just as fast if not faster than I can on my iPhone) however I can just keep typing away on the bold. That is-- on the iPhone after a little while I start to slow down, and have to backspace constantly, where with the bold I can just chug along without making many mistakes and I keep a pretty constant pace.

Hopefully that's just you ;) I can type like forever on my iPod Touch ;)
 
as I've said many times, it's all personal preference.

I know you directed that at them and not be, but I just wanted to point out the only thing I've been curious about this entire time was this statement (not made by you):

I don't see many or hardly any celebs with iPhones. I bet you one of the main reasons is the lack of a physical keyboard.

This also implies for business users, too.

I hear that a lot, and I just don't understand it. Maybe nfl46 can answer when he gets done with work.
 
By comparison to the additional "features" that the Pre has, such as copy&paste, MMS, Magnet "wireless" charging (lol could that be any more pointless?)......

The wireless charging is probably actually the coolest damn thing about it from a tech stand point... for the longest time, tech has been wired for charging and this is in a step towards removing the wires... imagine that you could have a wireless keyboard and mouse that charged from your mac without a wire or your mac charged from the grid in the wall automatically... this is really cool to see in a mainstream device because that's the future of power in devices.
 
physical keyboard is not for every one:

- have a crackberry :
-- use it exclusively to make work related phone calls
-- gps is very bad + internet is ridiculous
-- keyboard has 30+ keys x 2 + more = 100+ keys combination == ridiculous
-- retreiving voice mail is so cumbersome that I simply do not do it
-- need instruction manual when I need to do something other than make a call

- have an iPhone:
-- use this for every thing else
-- have never had a need for an instruction manual

moral:
- for some folks, usability is a far better thing to have than a physical keyboard

testimonial:
- the first time my mother used email in her life was when she got her own iPhone...
 
So everything is personal preference? There are no objective sides?

There are advantages and disadvantages to both. There is no right answer, simply which advantages you value more. That is the deciding factor on whether you prefer a synthetic software keyboard or the real deal.
 
There are so many critical things wrong with this device that it will never make it as a true iPhone competitor. Perhaps a formidable opponent for the G1, but the Pre is not for most of the people out there.

OK, what "critical things" are wrong with it?
 
I hope by this you don't mean the three column home screen which has been Palm since 95, or much of any of the interface which is much more OSX/Ubuntu like than iPhone like?

Not to mention the smoothness of the UI when multiple apps are open can't be a question. The iPhone barely handles one app at a time.

digital skunk thank you, thank you, thank you

it seems a lot of the posters on this board are children or are grown-ups thinking like children. the palm pre is the best mobile os made so far and it does look like osx more than even the iphone. it is strange considering a lot of the people on this board hate the interface.

i do have to take disagreement with you on one thing:

- palm could not have done the os using the same hardware as the iphone. it is technologically not feasible. the new arm chip is significantly more powerful than the previous generation. there is some slowing down of the os with a lot of apps open. it something that they have 6 months to fix so i wouldn't be concerned. give apple a chance to see what they can do with the same technology (and possible a multicore power VR gpu). they also have 6 months 'til wwdc. it would also help if apple decided to put more ram in the phone than 128mb.

seeing the way these keyboards are being utilized i think that apple may have the best idea so far. the pre's keyboard cannot be used sideways which creates a UI issue. it is the only UI issue that the pre has.

a lot of these fanboy have to be honest with themselves. somebody makes a better UI you have to admit to it. palm has now changed the game. every mobile os will now be aspiring to best palm.

to those fanboys who can't be critical of apple: APPLE DOES NOT LOVE YOU BACK.THEY LOVE YOUR MONEY. THEY CANCELLED MACWORLD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LOVED APPLE BEST. THEY ARE A BUSINESS COMPANY AND NOT YOUR DADDY.

btw, about this mms back and forth. not everybody has email on their phone. look at dvorak. he just uses disposable cell phones and he's forgotten more about tech than most know on these boards. just don't take financial advice from him!
 
Copy and Paste & MMS are what we call "Joke Features".

They are features which, for some reason, very whiny people have clung too and insisted are "missing" from the iphone. Fact is, they are so incredibly useless that when you think about it for long enough, you realize it must be joke that people can't live without these things. I mean after all there are 20 ways to send a picture to someone with the iPhone, and....copy and paste....seriously? what novel are you typing...and then suddenly realizing you're in notes instead of mail?

I've thought it over and over and you'd have to be a total moron to "need" either of these features on the iPhone. If these are the "features" of this new Palm that set it apart from the iPhone, that make it better than the iPhone, then that is a hilarious joke.

And Street View is a very, very useful feature that I have used… never. I guess I don’t “need” MMS, just like I don’t “need” anything other than something that will place calls, but considering how much the iPhone costs, why is Apple being so stubborn and not putting in fscking MMS? That feature would have been useful for me (and other people, as this thread proves) multiple times, unlike Street View, which has never been useful for me.

If the iPhone is so beautiful why are there so many covers, cases and skins so readily available? I can't see non-iphone users buying these cases so that lends me to believe that iphone users are buying such items.
Just a thought.

Because people will put a case on anything, especially when it’s expensive.

Web apps return! :D

Um, no. They’re not running off a web server. They’re more like widgets, actually.

This Palm Pre, while it may be able to claim similar features, is simply an attempt to "catch up" to the iPhone, and it still falls far short. Consumers rightfully should be annoyed by products that attempt to "catch up" to another because its obviously a ham-handed attempt at money grabbing.

There is no attempt at greatness here. Just an attempt to mimic well enough to covert some sales. That in itself is recognizable and "insulting" to users who understand the difference between real innovation and mockery.

Right, and the iPhone isn’t a ham-handed attempt at money grabbing. That’s why Apple lowered the price and now they’re making money hand-over-fist. It’s called capitalism: the point is to make money.

Had you paid attention to some of the coverage, you would have seen that unlike RIM, which rushed the BB Storm to get an iPhone competitor out, Palm is actually tweaking and paying close attention to user-experience on the Pre.

But I guess according to you, car companies are also at fault since they copy the same basic design ideas from each other.

Much like what a Mac user is missing in computer tech these days.
And as a pro multimedia producer/journalist, the new 17" MBP is a bit upsetting when comparing price and features. But that's going off topic, so I apologize for bringing it up.

Mmm, I’m (genuinely) curious as to what a Mac user is missing in computer tech, and what you’d expect/want in the 17" MBP for its current price.

Palm pre sucks because it's just another knock off that has the features the iphone hasn't incorporated and people want.

Um... what? The Pre sucks because it does what the iPhone does plus the features people want?
 
Thanks guys for the links to Palm Pre on youtube.
I just finished watching them and I conclude Palm Oggly SUCKS!!!
Hey, at least I got myself to watch it. So, don't frag me.

Tks for the feedback, it seems like it's really a stinker under fairly pretty dresses. I won't watch it and get an iPhone 3G anyway soon...like I would ever consider a crappy phone not based on OS X...:rolleyes:

MS IS DEAD. PALM IS DEAD. GO APPLE!
 
Only if they sell an unlocked version, which I'm sure they will. I am getting tired of the iPhone and it's limitations. I was in Germany on vacation and wanted to send my GF a picture of me on the Zugspitze, and remembered the iPhone doesn't allow that. Are these companies intentionally holding back technologies like MMS, video recording, etc, for the purpose of featuring it on future releases with the hopes that us idiot consumers will buy the newer version?

Sure it does. Send an email.
 
Sure it does. Send an email.

Yap. And prepare for the nice international roaming data fee!

And btw:
Could anyone please name me one App in the AppStore, that is really useful and could not have been programmed as simple web app?

Oh, Osirix won't count (as the other DICOM-viewers), because using a DICOM-viewer on the iPhone is merely for quick reminding and bragging (just like sonographic pictures). If your physician ever diagnoses you based on looking at a DICOM-file on the iPhone, you'd better change the physician.
 
keyboards are dead...touch screens is a dying technology... its all about eye tracking... apple should get on the ball and start adapting eye response technology... who wants to actually use their fingers anymore... too much work!!!
 

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The wireless charging is probably actually the coolest damn thing about it from a tech stand point... for the longest time, tech has been wired for charging and this is in a step towards removing the wires... imagine that you could have a wireless keyboard and mouse that charged from your mac without a wire or your mac charged from the grid in the wall automatically... this is really cool to see in a mainstream device because that's the future of power in devices.

you know, this tech has been around for a while. i know at work we have cordless phones that charge on a dock via the metal connections. it is wireless. not really a big deal, just another hype bullet point
 
you know, this tech has been around for a while. i know at work we have cordless phones that charge on a dock via the metal connections. it is wireless. not really a big deal, just another hype bullet point

not a new tech is true. but how many people would get it if the iphone had it. just because it's been around doesn't mean it's not useful
 
keyboards are dead...touch screens is a dying technology... its all about eye tracking... apple should get on the ball and start adapting eye response technology... who wants to actually use their fingers anymore... too much work!!!

Apple is waiting for sony to come out with this first.
 
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