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'Palm Pre' Smartphone Announced: WebOS, Wireless Charging, App Store
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Physically depressing a button is less fatiguing? That has got to be a mental thing.
I find it funny that when Apple talked about "web apps" there was a general outcry demanding an SDK to the point where the phone was "jailbroken" (and still is) but Palm's Web OS is just dandy. Does that mean the phone is essentially a browser with local pages stored on it?
Just so you know, the jailbreaking community doesnt exsist because of the lack of the SDK. The well known jailbreaking teams were actually assembled before the launch of the iphone. Jailbreaking exsists because with every product there are a group of people out there in the homebrew community that genuinely enjoy hacking devices and pushing them to their limits.
Flash? Where did you hear about Flash. Everything I've read said it doesn't support Flash.
Sprint is allowing tethering? I'll believe that when I see it.
You can't deny that a lot of things Palm has shown yesterday (GMT+2
) are very similar or almost identical to what Apple introduced 2 years ago Let's not argue the point who copies who, but this can be seen with a naked eye 
I thought it's been confirmed they are working on it... TBH I sooo hate Adobe & Flash I could DANCE if Flash would ****in' die but I'm still pleased that at least some flash is available on my TyTn....
Can't wait to see what the Palm Pre jailbreaking community does then. Especially with this phone having an OS built on top of Linux.
Well, the thing is, its gonna have to REALLY take off for us to hear of a hacking community for it. It also depends on if they can even get access to the device.
Okay, thank you for the response, but let me say once agan what I've said about eight times in this thread alone.
I know the iPhone is not good for a lot of businesses for many reasons. My question is what about a virtual keyboard, if it was fast, easy, and versatile, makes it not business-friendly, simply because it's virtual. It's fine and dandy if business people say they don't use it because of the virtual keyboard, but WHY? Why is "virtual" an automatic synonym of "not-for-business"?
Kamm said:
Wrong. Apple invented the term "PDA," so even though similar devices existed before, technically PDAs did not exist before Apple
I think it's really cute that Palm's getting all sorts of praise in the press for the whole "Web OS" and "open, web-based SDK" pitch when Apple got lambasted for having the same thing less than two years ago.
Apple's actually made web apps even nicer with 2.x -- they can now do fullscreen and/or chromeless display, and HTML5 client-side storage is supported as well.
Apple's actually made web apps even nicer with 2.x -- they can now do fullscreen and/or chromeless display, and HTML5 client-side storage is supported as well.
You can't deny that a lot of things Palm has shown yesterday (GMT+2
Errr they are very similar to everything that existed BEFORE Apple - like most features of all the existing smartphones that preluded Apple's.
Let's not argue the point who copies who, but this can be seen with a naked eye
I'm afraid eye is not enough - we need to know a bit of technical history.
Wrong. Apple invented the term "PDA," so even though similar devices existed before, technically PDAs did not exist before Apple
Qoud erat demonstrandum - look up my earlier post about Apple(tards) claiming "Apple invented <X>" when in reality it DID NOT.
FIrst PDA was a Casio, predating Apple by a good decade as even a quick Wiki visit would tell you (though WP is just as trustworthy as anyone else's word - in short it's not - in this case I know it's true hence my reference.
)PS: we are talking about functionality, not naming - PDA/smartphone/handheld/etc are exchangeable in this case so no space for semantics here.
He claimed that apple created the name PDA, according to wiki he's right.Qoud erat demonstrandum - look up my earlier post about Apple(tards) claiming "Apple invented <X>" when in reality it DID NOT.
FIrst PDA was a Casio, predating Apple by a good decade as even a quick Wiki visit would tell you (though WP is just as trustworthy as anyone else's word - in short it's not - in this case I know it's true hence my reference.
PS: we are talking about functionality, not naming - PDA/smartphone/handheld/etc are exchangeable in this case so no space for semantics here.
Qoud erat demonstrandum - look up my earlier post about Apple(tards) claiming "Apple invented <X>" when in reality it DID NOT.
FIrst PDA was a Casio, predating Apple by a good decade as even a quick Wiki visit would tell you (though WP is just as trustworthy as anyone else's word - in short it's not - in this case I know it's true hence my reference.
PS: we are talking about functionality, not naming - PDA/smartphone/handheld/etc are exchangeable in this case so no space for semantics here.
Too bad he was talking about the actual TERM PDA
It doesn't take much pressure to push smartphone buttons, therefore it doesn't make a difference that you don't have to press the buttons on the iPhone.
The iPhone's keyboard is more fatiguing, because you have to hover your fingers over the keys, they cannot be resting on them, you also cannot roll your finger from one key to another. You have to repeatedly lift, and press, lift and press. Where with physical keys you can sort of just slide your fingers around. Also, the iPhone's keyboard is slow. When loading pages in Safari (or even working on a cached and complex page) the keyboard lags behind what you type.
The OS is written like a web browser, but does not have the same protocols. First off, the apps can get much deeper into phone specific API's and special code can be written and stored on the phone (things that websites must do server side) These applications, although written like web apps, will not just be local web apps. They will be the real thing. This is completely different from how Apple did web apps, which were just sites written for the iPhone with some fancy ajax here and there.
- multitasking
We'll see how this works in real life, a 5-10 minute demo doesn't really show real world usage, this thing could start to have real issues if too many apps are open, or when badly coded apps are running.
- open sdk
Doesn't iPhone have an "open" SDK too, you know the one where you use web technologies like css and js to make apps, the one where Apple was lambasted for not having a "real" SDK for iPhone?
- notifications
Yeah, no where to be seen on iPhone. I wonder if Apple had to scrap the idea in favor or something else?
- wireless charger
This is cool for the Pre, wireless charging is still just emerging. I'm sure we'll see an accessory (not necessarily by Apple) for it this year.
- microusb2
Err, so? What's so great about this over the iPod/iPhone connector?
- nice cases/accessories available @ releasedate
What? Is this under the "makes Pre BETTER than iPhone" list? iPhone has a MASSIVE 3rd party accessory market, are you saying there are no nice cases/accessories for iPhone?
- keyboard
Yes, a portrait mode keyboard... great, its like a virtual keyboard but SMALLER!
- adobe flash
Officially it does NOT support flash, some smirking employees doesn't mean a thing.
Just because the apps are written in the same language does not mean they have the same abilities. The Palm OS is completely different from iPhone web apps. When are people going to get this?
Why did you add that? are you trying to weaken your arguments or what?
The big deal is you can put files from your computer onto your phone that it can open and edit and do stuff with. Where with the iPhone you have to use things like bonjour (only when wireless networking is available to the computer) and the files you put on your phone can be used by the apps themselves (a huge difference from the iPhone's native and web apps)
Only it's bigger and gives REAL feedback.
Nor does the iphone... what sort of point were you trying to make?
You can't deny that a lot of things Palm has shown yesterday (GMT+2
Ignorance is no longer an excuse when you post on the web. There are plenty of resources for you to search out the history of mobile devices and educate yourself, instead of posting such nonsense.
You know, I wonder that myself. I used to show executives some pretty cool stuff, and they weren't interested. Maybe a real keyboard allows them to write emails under a conference table without looking. But I think it's because a virtual looks like you're having "fun".
Wrong. Apple invented the term "PDA," so even though similar devices existed before, technically PDAs did not exist before Apple
John Sculley said it. So it's more like a Pepsi term.
It's actually surprising that the term lasted. Back then, everything had the word "terminal" in it. Settop TV boxes in the labs were called "Digital Entertainment Terminals" (DET). Casino poker and slot computers were called "Video Lottery Terminals" (VLT). You would think that a PDA would be called a "Personal Digital Terminal" (PDT) instead.
PPC, you're usually smarter than this. It's not the same thing at all.
An iPhone web app is a web page hosted on a server.
Palm's apps are local, standalone, with access to internal services. They use HTML, CSS and JavaScript, akin to a widget. That means a lot more people can write little app cards for their own use.
that right there is my next phone. i just need it in gsm flavor.
btw, the bickering in this thread is pointless. the important thing is that there will be now two players on the market who actually know how to make PDA-class handhelds, and competition is always good.
btw, the bickering in this thread is pointless. the important thing is that there will be now two players on the market who actually know how to make PDA-class handhelds, and competition is always good.
Ex Palm/Treo user
I am not surprised they ditched the Palm OS. It has changed very little over the last 5 years and looks its age. As an ex Treo user who switched to an iPhone in December (Sprint contract expired) I just wonder why it has taken Palm so long to get its act together to produce a modern device. At one time they ruled but now they look sad.
Hopefully this will change their fortunes and competition is good and will make the iPhone rock even more.
I am not surprised they ditched the Palm OS. It has changed very little over the last 5 years and looks its age. As an ex Treo user who switched to an iPhone in December (Sprint contract expired) I just wonder why it has taken Palm so long to get its act together to produce a modern device. At one time they ruled but now they look sad.
Hopefully this will change their fortunes and competition is good and will make the iPhone rock even more.
Very true, and like you said that is the bigger picture.
It may only be my own opinion but I think the main differences still stem from the vastly superior operating systems of the phones.
Like everyone else that wants a Mobile OSX tablet and such, I hope to see Palm put their WebOS on more phones that differ from the Pre, and maybe one last foray in the full-sized PDA options (ala TX with 4" screen) much like Nikon did with the fantastic F6.
Qoud erat demonstrandum - look up my earlier post about Apple(tards) claiming "Apple invented <X>" when in reality it DID NOT.
FIrst PDA was a Casio, predating Apple by a good decade as even a quick Wiki visit would tell you (though WP is just as trustworthy as anyone else's word - in short it's not - in this case I know it's true hence my reference.
PS: we are talking about functionality, not naming - PDA/smartphone/handheld/etc are exchangeable in this case so no space for semantics here.
As people said right after you, I clearly stated that I was not talking about the devices, but the term. A bit of humour that you didn't catch because you obviously take this whole thing too seriously. I know it's easy on these forums to assume everyone is an Apple fanboy who believes Apple invented everything, but I'm not one of them, so I'd prefer it you'd take your Apple Hate-boy attitude and do something with it besides make snide remarks to me. Hell, in this own thread I've stated that I like this phone and that I'll be considering it since I'm on Sprint when my plan runs out, so that alone kills your theory that I'm a blind Apple-devotee.
Hahaha, watch the "boing boing" podcast pre preview through itunes.
A couple minutes into it Joel handles the pre for a few seconds and this woman comes over and tells him not to touch it. "What, do ya think I'm gonna suck up the design by osmosis?..."
LMAO...good stuff.
A couple minutes into it Joel handles the pre for a few seconds and this woman comes over and tells him not to touch it. "What, do ya think I'm gonna suck up the design by osmosis?..."
LMAO...good stuff.
So I should just blindly argue that iPhone is #1 no matter what even if there is a deficiency somewhere?
Hey it was on your list of reasons why the Pre is better than the iPhone. Pointing out an advantage that doesn't exist, then pointing out to me that it doesn't exist on iPhone either after I pointed out it doesn't really exist on the Pre doesn't really make much sense.
Ah HA! trying to double up your points I see, thats not going to get past me, thats CHEATING!!!
You can't claim a point for Mass USB Storage Device and one for the USB plug for the same reason. You don't need the mini USB plug to transfer files, Apple's connector is technically just as capable. Now if you would have said because the USB plug was pretty you could have had a point there, but too late now!
Where did I say the Pre had flash?Hey it was on your list of reasons why the Pre is better than the iPhone. Pointing out an advantage that doesn't exist, then pointing out to me that it doesn't exist on iPhone either after I pointed out it doesn't really exist on the Pre doesn't really make much sense.
Ah HA! trying to double up your points I see, thats not going to get past me, thats CHEATING!!!
You can't claim a point for Mass USB Storage Device and one for the USB plug for the same reason. You don't need the mini USB plug to transfer files, Apple's connector is technically just as capable. Now if you would have said because the USB plug was pretty you could have had a point there, but too late now!
again... you're confusing my list with someone else's.