Apps from Palm is different from what third partys can do with SDK (just like Apple's apps have much deeper access to the iPhone OS than third party apps).
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Palm Pre to Sync with iTunes on Macs?
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Apps from Palm is different from what third partys can do with SDK (just like Apple's apps have much deeper access to the iPhone OS than third party apps).
We will have to see. I really don't see how two-hand typing would work.
Are you one of the lucky reviewers who to the hands on it for one hour?
That isn't an app from Palm. It was written by a third party developer using the SDK provided by Palm to all developers and will be for sale in the App Store at launch. Please educate yourself before ragging on the Pre. The Apple engineers working on it did a great job.
I got to use it for two days. It really is an amazing phone. I used to jones for the iPhone and now I'm not interested if that tells you anything (and I'm a HUGE Apple fan).
I'm not sure why so many people are getting excited about the Pre. It will be more expensive than the iPhone to start out; it will cost about the same per month; it's a bit bulkier than the iPhone; it doesn't have the App Store to draw from, so initially there won't be a lot of software for it; and it's tied to Sprint, which at least in my area has really poor coverage.
It's fascinating to me how many manufacturers have jumped on Apple's bandwagon. But once again Apple was the first and IMO still has the most elegant device. The next few weeks will be really interesting....
Thats the point. Lets say Apple allows a sansa to sync with itunes...fine, they lose an ipod sale, but the still have the revenue stream of selling songs to that user that can play on their sansa, and frankly they dominate the mp3 portables market so big deal. It's another to allow a phone like the Pre, which is similar to the iphone, to sync with Itunes, because while they still have the revenue stream of selling music to that Pre user, they automatically lose the ability to sell Apps to that same customer.
In other words, this functionality has the ability to push someone thats on the fence between the Pre and Iphone, to the Pre, in a market in which apple is attempting to gain more market share, thats bad for Apples bottom line. Now get that sand out of your......
I did do research, and a lot of people agree with me. The Pre won't even come close to the iPhone and iPod touch when it comes to gaming. Apple has given developers access to OpenGL ES from the SDK.
WebOS developer APIs does not have any OpenGL hooks. You write your programs in javascript. The only real games it will be able to run other than simple 2d games are games developed for older PalmOS devices that run under emulation.
Palm itself has acknowledged that games at first will be simple 2D games. They are supposedly "still working" on 3D functionality.
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/692817/Can-You-Game-on-a-Palm-Pre.html
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/palm-touts-its-gaming-roots-pre-conspicuously-missing/
http://developer.palm.com/webos_book/book1.html
The Pre is $199. I didn't realize the iPhone was cheaper than that? If you get the Pre at Best Buy then you don't have to deal with the rebate either. Also, the Sprint plan is much cheaper than AT&T for the same number of minutes/texts/data. And where I live, Sprint has much better coverage and their 3G coverage is just about everywhere (and fast too).
That isn't what you originally claimed. You claimed that Pre apps will be limited "widget" style applications and that claim in untrue.
Funny. That sounds like the evolution I went through as well. I actually started out with a Palm Pilot/Windows for address and calendar management. When it came time to get a media player, I tried a Samsung gadget that required tiny little scratchable disks (I forget what it was called). Trying to record songs on it got pretty old after a while so I ditched it and got a iPod: 16 gigs then 32 gigs. Then, when it came time to dump my RAZR, I got an iPhone. The more I read up on it, the more Apple seemed to have its act together.
A few months ago I finally got an iMac, and haven't looked back. (Well, not true - I still keep a Windows notepad around and boot it up from time to time - only to wait a half hour while it goes through and collects all the software updates and patches. Good for a laugh on a rainy day)
Palm missed the boat. They waited too long since Palm T|X and now the iPhone has too much momentum. They'll never catch up.
Quite frankly, everyone is going to have their own opinion. And no, it does not tell me anything.
Are you pretending to be clueless?
Those "2D games" referenced by Palm are widget games.
However, they don't have access to the graphics layer, so they cannot do transformation .... for example, fire (unless you pre-render dozens of images and display them one by one as animation).
Out of curiosity, what can a developer do with the Pre SDK that they can't do with the Dashboard SDK?
Windows!
Does anyone know if it will sync to iTunes on Windows? If it can't, I don't think Apple has a big problem on their hands... most loyal mac users won't buy a competitor product... at least I wouldn't
Does anyone know if it will sync to iTunes on Windows? If it can't, I don't think Apple has a big problem on their hands... most loyal mac users won't buy a competitor product... at least I wouldn't
Wonderful news that adds another option to replace my Blackberry, since RIM refuses to give us any reliable syncing solution for Mac. I am waiting until the new iPhone comes out, but I will gladly explore another option if the calendar and address book will sync without problems.
Exactly. That and the fact that I personally just do not like a tiny button keyboard that slides out from my multi-purpose device makes me not even care. So I'm guessing Apple won't care either.
GMail IMAP IDLE Push support + PalmOS classic emulator allowing to run apps such as Pathaway is great. Unfortunately someone at Palm forgot to include GSM support
I went back and re-read the original quote, so, unless he changed it I misread it. I thought he was talking about Applications in general not specifically games. He's right in that the Pre SDK does not support 3D right now. They said they are working on it. How long? Who knows.
As for Applications, I haven't used the SDK myself but DataViz made a Microsoft Office document viewer AND EDITOR. Another company wrote a Palm Classic emulator. Both of which are extremely complex applications.
I'm sure this was included in one of the 200+ patents they had with the iPhone, and you can expect them to either disable it or send the suits to Palm. Or, maybe threaten Palm in to paying a licensing fee.
I hope this happens in a way though. If Apple did let this happen you could see Apple's iTunes Store become unstoppable when it comes to marketshare and growth. However, a down side to this would be security.
I hope this happens in a way though. If Apple did let this happen you could see Apple's iTunes Store become unstoppable when it comes to marketshare and growth. However, a down side to this would be security.
I haven't used either but I'm guessing it's difficult to write a OS emulator with the Dashboard SDK and MotionApps built one for the Pre. Oh, and it supports 3D gaming.
http://motionapps.blogspot.com/2009/04/new-classic-demo-answers-more-questions.html
A few weeks ago I read the the Pre was going to be priced at $399, with activation. If that were true, I couldn't see how anyone would buy it over the iPhone. As for the contract, I read that it would be $59.99. But again, why would anyone buy it over the iPhone, except to avoid AT&T?
Initially I thought this sounded a little crazy for Apple. But actually I can see up-sides for them if this is true.
1) Smartphone software for the mac generally sucks IMHO. This would keep any on the edge mac using Pre users happy, and mean any Windows using Pre-owners didn't have an obstacle to switch if they were thinking about it.
2) If a Pre user is using the iTunes Store for the music and podcasts, they are going to effectively absorbing ads for lovely iPhone apps and Apple's video content whenever they are browsing for music. If by doing that Apple only influence even 0.5% of Pre users into thinking they actually want an iPhone next time instead, that's a win for them with no extra work on their part.
3) Plainly and simply it would be decent of Apple. And something to recall next time a purchase was made whether it be phone, computer or other products that Apple sell.
4) If the Pre is a minor success it fractures the smartphone market even more. As long as the iPhone remains strong, other competitors sharing the 'non-iPhone' category is not necessarily a bad thing for Apple.
1) Smartphone software for the mac generally sucks IMHO. This would keep any on the edge mac using Pre users happy, and mean any Windows using Pre-owners didn't have an obstacle to switch if they were thinking about it.
2) If a Pre user is using the iTunes Store for the music and podcasts, they are going to effectively absorbing ads for lovely iPhone apps and Apple's video content whenever they are browsing for music. If by doing that Apple only influence even 0.5% of Pre users into thinking they actually want an iPhone next time instead, that's a win for them with no extra work on their part.
3) Plainly and simply it would be decent of Apple. And something to recall next time a purchase was made whether it be phone, computer or other products that Apple sell.
4) If the Pre is a minor success it fractures the smartphone market even more. As long as the iPhone remains strong, other competitors sharing the 'non-iPhone' category is not necessarily a bad thing for Apple.
The Pre is priced at $199 with a 2 year contract. There is a $100 rebate that brings it down to the $199 price but that is only at the Sprint Store (not sure why) if you get the Pre at Best Buy they waive the rebate and just give you the phone for $199. The price of $59.99 includes 400 minutes, unlimited data and text messaging. That is a pretty good price. Plus, if you are like me and in a region where AT&T sucks it's nice to have an option on other carriers. Not that it matters, the WebOS phones will be available on all carriers probably by 2010.
And, I would chose the Pre over the iPhone because I think it's a superior product. I've used both and I think the Pre is just better. When Apple releases the next iPhone ... maybe it'll be better. I'm glad they are both out there because I like options. I'm really really really tired of WinMo phones and I'm glad the market has made some decent offerings.