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Palm Reports Apple to USB Compliance Organization Over iTunes Syncing Issues

smadpr said:
Did I say Apple should support it? I said do not block it! They are not same if you can understand!
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And if Palm had worked out a licensing deal with Apple, it would sync just fine without fear of being broken by an iTunes update.
 
smadpr said:
Did I say Apple should support it? I said do not block it! They are not same if you can understand!
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Sorry; you fail on a technical level. I'll go slow.

iTunes is not blocking the pre. Why?

Because iTunes ONLY supports iPods/iPhone/Select Licensed Devices.

You are arguing as if iTunes supports EVERY MP3 player out there and if this was the case, specifically blocking the Pre would have a basis for anti-trust activities.

But, iTunes WAS NOT written for third party players, AND THUS WILL NOT, CAN NOT OR DOES NOT support every MP3 player NATIVELY (read the last part over and over its very important). iTunes was written to support only the above mentioned devices.

The pre pretends to be an iPod and appears to iTunes as an iPod. Users will end up believe that this is an APPLE APPROVED iTunes supported devices, of which it is not!

If the pre destroyed the iTunes library, pre customers would call up Apple and ask what the heck is going on!

There are inherent security risks that come with the Pre interfacing with iTunes on a device-supported level that would not be present if they had just gone the proper way and went XML style.

Clearly you cannot understand this, but Apple sure does.
 
I know, I know

I know there are plenty of people saying the same thing as me, but venting is healthy. The point is, Palm is in the wrong--they're using someone else's stuff. They're taking their neighbor's lawn mower, using it, not putting any gas back in it, and then putting it back in their neighbor's tool shed. Now they get unhappy and tattle when Apple locks their tool shed up.
 
Eddyisgreat said:
Sorry; you fail on a technical level. I'll go slow.

iTunes is not blocking the pre. Why?

Because iTunes ONLY supports iPods/iPhone/Select Licensed Devices.

You are arguing as if iTunes supports EVERY MP3 player out there and if this was the case, specifically blocking the Pre would have a basis for anti-trust activities.

But, iTunes DOES NOT support every MP3 player. iTunes was written to support only the above mentioned devices.

The pre pretends to be an iPod and appears to iTunes as an iPod. Users will end up believe that this is an APPLE APPROVED iTunes supported devices, of which it is not!

If the pre destroyed the iTunes library, pre customers would call up Apple and ask what the heck is going on!

There are inherent security risks that come with the Pre interfacing with iTunes on a device-supported level that would not be present if they had just gone the proper way and went XML style.

Clearly you cannot understand this, but Apple sure does.
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Totally misleading...

And yes, ask Opera...they will tell you what Apple is!
 
smadpr said:
No! Apple blocked Pre by their Vendor ID violating the USB forum guidelines and so Pre made himself look like an iPod to continue what it was trying to do before the last iTunes update.

Palm implied as they complained to the USB board that "Apple started it and so we continued it".
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Apple uses the device id to identify that a device is an iPod. That was, until the Pre appeared, a sure way to identify iPods. Then Apple figured out that someone (Palm) created a device that in violation of their USB device used a device id that made it look like an iPod. So suddenly Apple is confronted with the fact that there are iPods, and there are devices that are not iPods, but pretend to be iPods.

Apple is not allowed to use the vendor id to discriminate against a vendor. For example, if I bought a USB memory stick and the Mac rejected it because it has a vendor ID "Psystar" and Apple doesn't like Psystar, that would be wrong. But that isn't what Apple is doing. They are not saying "we don't let you connect iPods made by Palm". The are saying "there are devices that claim to be iPods but aren't. iTunes only syncs with iPods. We use whatever means we can to find out whether a device is an iPod or not. We know exactly which vendor id an iPod should have, so we reject anything else".

I'll just repeat it: It would be against their USB license for Apple to stop iTunes from working with iPods made by Palm. But they have the right to stop iTunes from working with devices that claim wrongly to be iPods, and they can use any legal means to detect whether a device is an iPod or not.
 
smadpr said:
And you bought the ROKR right??
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No, and I don't see how this has anything to do with the conversation. Except maybe you did buy the Pre, based on its iTunes sync, and are probably going to get burned by Palm's underhanded dealings.
 
Stella said:
I am glad you think you can speak for "everyone".

Apple couldn't stop Real from PlayFair, and Apple will not be able to stop Palm.. Just like Apple cannot stop iPhone Jail break.

Live with it.

Replace the story from "Apple" to Microsoft , and "Palm" to "Apple" and everyone will be saying how Evil "Microsoft" and singing "Apple's" praises.
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Still doesn't change the fact it was a hack.
 
Listening to all these whiny people with their little analogies and rationales as to why Palm is right and Apple/ATT is wrong/evil need to get a clue. They're using their support their hate for Apple/ATT without being informed.

Here in America, we exist in a 'work for hire' and 'pay for service' society. We license services, products and technology if we can't afford to build it on our own. Licenses exist to pay people for their efforts and sweat. Anyone who doesn't get this is truly clueless and stands on an empty platform.
 
smadpr said:
And you bought the ROKR right??
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Why is anyone still feeding this troll? Anyone who doesn't have the intellect to see that Palm decided to act in an unscrupulous and unprofessional manner by backdooring their way to iTunes synching for their p.o.s. smartphone doesn't deserve the respect of a thoughtful reply. Once again, for those too dim to understand the issue here, point your browser at this link:

http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/media/mediasync.jsp

THAT is how it should be done. Is Apple "blocking" Blackberry users who use this app to sync their devices with iTunes?

/thread
 
gnasher729 said:
Apple uses the device id to identify that a device is an iPod. That was, until the Pre appeared, a sure way to identify iPods. Then Apple figured out that someone (Palm) created a device that in violation of their USB device used a device id that made it look like an iPod. So suddenly Apple is confronted with the fact that there are iPods, and there are devices that are not iPods, but pretend to be iPods.

Apple is not allowed to use the vendor id to discriminate against a vendor. For example, if I bought a USB memory stick and the Mac rejected it because it has a vendor ID "Psystar" and Apple doesn't like Psystar, that would be wrong. But that isn't what Apple is doing. They are not saying "we don't let you connect iPods made by Palm". The are saying "there are devices that claim to be iPods but aren't. iTunes only syncs with iPods. We use whatever means we can to find out whether a device is an iPod or not. We know exactly which vendor id an iPod should have, so we reject anything else".

I'll just repeat it: It would be against their USB license for Apple to stop iTunes from working with iPods made by Palm. But they have the right to stop iTunes from working with devices that claim wrongly to be iPods, and they can use any legal means to detect whether a device is an iPod or not.
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I can see where we are all going... Please do not manipulate the information any more like this and wait to see what the USB Implementors board has to say!
 
GamecockMac said:
Why is anyone still feeding this troll? Anyone who doesn't have the intellect to see that Palm decided to act in an unscrupulous and unprofessional manner by backdooring their way to iTunes synching for their p.o.s. smartphone doesn't deserve the respect of a thoughtful reply. Once again, for those too dim to understand the issue here, point your browser at this link:

http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/media/mediasync.jsp

THAT is how it should be done. Is Apple "blocking" Blackberry users who use this app to sync their devices with iTunes?

/thread
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Guys, I was only trying to explain..why Apple wont make a deal Palm, now that they blocked everything....I willl wait to see what folks from the USB board has say... bye now
 
bjb.butler said:
The pre has software that represents itself as an ipod to itunes... No itunes 'hacking' is taking place.
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So the Pre is an ipod right? The manner in which they are using to present the Pre as an "ipod" to itunes as a hack, plain and simple.
 
bjb.butler said:
The pre has software that represents itself as an ipod to itunes... No itunes 'hacking' is taking place.
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*facepalm*

So the fact that the Pre doesn't hack the iTunes software directly means that Palm isn't using the spoof you just described as a "hack" to enable synching?

Some of you apologists are tap dancing around the issue so fast it's unbelievable.
 
GamecockMac said:
*facepalm*

So the fact that the Pre doesn't hack the iTunes software directly means that Palm isn't using the spoof you just described as a "hack" to enable synching?

Some of you apologists are tap dancing around the issue so fast it's unbelievable.
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These Palm apologists are getting desperate.
 
Goona said:
These Palm apologists are getting desperate.
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I'm not sure what you'd describe yourself as Goona. Just a quick search shows that you've devoted 271 posts mentioning the pre and 237 mentioning palm. It's like a personal vendetta for you. What is it about the palm and pre that gets you so motivated?

Are there any other tech products that you devote so much time to posting against on the internet?
 
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