and THAT was a joke. and April Fools 2008 joke to be exact. Check your facts next time. I love Amarok but iTunes support isnt coming in the foreseeable future.
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Palm Reports Apple to USB Compliance Organization Over iTunes Syncing Issues
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and THAT was a joke. and April Fools 2008 joke to be exact. Check your facts next time. I love Amarok but iTunes support isnt coming in the foreseeable future.
World War III. THE WAR OF TECH!!!! Palm have blatantly hacks itunes and therefore taking advantage of Apple and their magnificent and obviously very expensive (to develop) software which apple provide for free to Mac AND PC users which costs them money!!! Palm are WAY OUT OF LINE!!!
Why do you think it was a hack?
This is the reason I don't post here very often any more... there are too many fan boys who have the opinion that Apple can do no wrong and every other company is evil...
"Apple never copies.. every body copies Apple"
"Apple invented X" ( ignoring the fact that they didn't )
"Company X is too late to the party" ( despite Apple also not entering the 'party' until late, i.e., smartphone )
"Apple can get away with anything it wants" ( despite behaving worse than microsoft in a similar position ).
"Article X is bull / FUD because its 'anti-Apple" ( when in fact, its a balanced article )
This.
per Wikipedia: Hack has several related meanings in the technology and computer science fields. It may refer to a clever or quick fix to a computer program problem, or to what may be perceived to be a clumsy or inelegant (but usually relatively quick) solution to a problem. The term is also used to refer to a modification of a program or device to give the user access to features that were otherwise unavailable.
There probably isn't a lot Apple can do apart from issue further updates to block Palm.
If its illegal then Apple would be threatening Palm, and since we haven't heard about this:
( Any legal action towards Palm would soon get published )
1. Apple haven't tried to stop Palm
2. Apple Legal does not think they can stop them via the legal system, because what Palm are doing isn't illegal.
Apple have another cat and mouse game... along with the Jail Break lot.
Technically they havent "hacked" iTunes in any way. iTunes is completely unmodified so saying Palm "hacked iTunes" is completely incorrect.
I'll throw in my opinion just because im bored.
Apple zealots often say its ok to tie OSX to Macs because OSX doesnt have a high market share. One cannot possibly argue that iTunes/iPods have a low market share, so how can one defend Apple locking everyone else out of their software, much like they are synthetically locking pc owners out of mac software?
Sure, Palm is breaking the rules, and they shouldn't get away with it, but Apple isn't doing everything correctly either.
1. The person you are responding to didn't use the word "illegal" in the reply to you.
2. Apple's updates to iTunes haven't been an attempt to stop Palm? O RLY?
3. You don't have the first clue to what Apple Legal may or may not be working on. You think legal "threats" from Apple against Palm would have to be made public at this stage? Wow, don't get out much, do you?
4. This is nothing like the Jailbreak issue. Apple will have a difficult time trying to litigate against the end user and whatever they do to their products in the privacy of their own lives. But when another corporation uses similar tactics? Well, let's just wait and see what happens...
Ive been reading through this whole message thread... and then this?! WTF are you talking about... I HAVE TO KNOW.
Or are you just trolling? since it seems like there are a few on here...
If you use iTunes, look in your iTunes folder. There are a few library files. One is the file that iTunes uses to store the information on your music, another is for your applications, etc. There is one file, iTunesMusicLibrary.xml, which also stores the information on your music and playlists. This file is output for the purpose of other programs reading the library. This is how RIM's BlackBerry Sync program syncs iTunes songs. It reads the XML file, and uses that to move music files over to the phone.
Wow. I can't get over the sheer number of people who wander into this thread making the same argument...and failing miserably every time.
Where did the most recent poster to use the term "hack" state that Palm "hacked iTunes"? They are using a hack to allow the Pre to sync with iTunes. Period. Any attempt to suggest otherwise is silly semantic doublespeak.
And once again we've got someone who claims that Apple is "locking everyone else out" of iTunes. Seriously? Have you done the briefest amount of research to back up this ridiculous assertion? Have you even bothered to skim a few pages of this thread? This claim has been debunked over and over, but since you're new to the debate, I'll educate you...
http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/media/mediasync.jsp
Does that look like a "lockout" to you? Have you heard of Apple "blocking" Blackberry users from iTunes synching?
Still grabbing at straws eh?
Once again, this is not akin to jailbreaking. Who is Apple gonna sue? And for what exactly? Lets say the Dev team is the authority on this. The fact that they are not
A) A publicly traded company with a competing product
or B) not charging for their software
means that they are nothing alike. Don't you know Woz is in full support of the jailbreaking community? I'd bet the "responses" have been in response to heat from ATT, and that apple could probably care less, just like OSX86, but these, sir, are nothing alike. Apple loses nothing from jailbreakers, but palm perpetrating this tomfoolery could cost them actual tangible sales of iPods and iPhones from customers who want bonafide iTunes syncing, something that's an Apple only feature.
Anyway, i'll keep posting this image until people get it through their thick skulls that Palm is wrong, point blank, and have no valid reasoning for doing this:
Courtesy DVD Jon.
That's certainly where the discussion ends in my book. Good post.
Everyone wants to somehow cash in on Apple's work. Need to draw the line somewhere.
Someone on the first page of the thread said that Palm "hacked iTunes." I didnt read the subsequent 23 pages though.
Can you plug your blackberry into your mac and use JUST iTunes to sync music? No, you have to download BB's MediaSync app. Why? Because apple locks everyone else out of using iTunes. Sure, you can sync with the iTunes library, but not using just a plain copy of iTunes. You, sir, are spouting off "semantic doublespeak" just so you can for some reason defend Apple and iTunes. I guess you base your personal identity so much on a corporation, so i'll just let you keep going.
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Goona said it.
So you hack itunes to pretend you're and ipod and then report Apple? The audacity of these folks.
So, it is Apple's fault it doesn't support syncing every single device to iTunes?
So you responded on Page 23 to something you read on the first page of a thread? Brilliant. Tells me all I need to know about your logic skills. As does the rest of your absurd rant above.
If Apple wanted to "lock out" vendors like RIM from iTunes sync, then why would they provide the option for them to access the feature via the XML library? Try giving us a straight, unemotional answer to that...if you can (if you can't, don't worry, no other Apple-hater/Palm-apologist has been able to either). Basically you are using the same whiny argument as so many others before you: "Apple should do this and that BECAUSE IT'S WHAT I WANT." Sorry, doesn't work that way in the real world, kid.
Still grabbing at straws eh?
Once again, this is not akin to jailbreaking. Who is Apple gonna sue? And for what exactly? Lets say the Dev team is the authority on this. The fact that they are not
A) A publicly traded company with a competing product
or B) not charging for their software
means that they are nothing alike. Don't you know Woz is in full support of the jailbreaking community? I'd bet the "responses" have been in response to heat from ATT, and that apple could probably care less, just like OSX86, but these, sir, are nothing alike. Apple loses nothing from jailbreakers, but palm perpetrating this tomfoolery could cost them actual tangible sales of iPods and iPhones from customers who want bonafide iTunes syncing, something that's an Apple only feature.
Anyway, i'll keep posting this image until people get it through their thick skulls that Palm is wrong, point blank, and have no valid reasoning for doing this:
Courtesy DVD Jon.
No, I'm not grasping at straws.
So what if Woz supports jail breaking - that is his own opinion. Apple aren't going to take action against Woz in his support of Jail breaking.
I doubt very much whether the Palm Pre syncing of iTunes results in a great amount of lost sales of iPhones. Wouldn't the person buy an iPhone in the first place? Either way, none of us have the evidence to back up our claims. "Grasping at straws" may be an appropriate response to you.
So, you feel that if people don't share your thoughts - they automatically become 'thick'... oh great of you.
Keep posting if you feel you need to spread your thoughts. I have better things to do from this time forward, like sleep!
No, people become "thick" when they can't even recognize (or admit) a hack when one is staring them in the face.
And yes, you're grasping at straws in your arguments, just like the rest of the other Palm apologists/shills in this thread.
In my first post regarding this issue, I was referring to syncing with the iphone with an app NOT iTunes, and reffering to the library ON THE PHONE being encrypted. Clearly, nerdygirl85 figured it out. I'm sorry you missed the point...
**pops head back in**
I know curiosity killed the cat and all... but I really want to know. How does it sync a blackberry? Through BB's Sync software, or through the XML file?
Cause now I'm real curious as to how it handles the BB ?
yea.. i know mini side rant...
Both. The BlackBerry MediaSync app reads the XML file so it knows which files are where, and which files are in which playlist.
Dont you need the BB sync software for this?! I know this is a side note, but since I dont own a Pre or a Blackberry, I am curious if anyone else does and can answer the simple question of... Can I plug in my blackberry straight into my mac or pc, and itunes just syncs it?! or do I need other software and iTunes?
Dont you need the BB sync software for this?! I know this is a side note, but since I dont own a Pre or a Blackberry, I am curious if anyone else does and can answer the simple question of... Can I plug in my blackberry straight into my mac or pc, and itunes just syncs it?! or do I need other software and iTunes?
They do not natively sync to iTunes, you need a third party app.
I know this is just semantics but wouldn't it be a "first party" app (BB Sync/ Palm Sync) designed to sync with a "second party" app (iTunes)? Which is the way Palm should have gone about it in the first place.
Sorry, but "third party" just sounds like they need to involve someone else when they could easily spend a day to write a simple sync app that would have access to the itunes xml.