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Palm Reports Apple to USB Compliance Organization Over iTunes Syncing Issues

Hmmmmm er,,,,, wrong.

actripxl said:
You know what I'm backing Palm on this one for a simple reason, I love iTunes but I don't want to have to use an iPod with it. The iPod rocks but I'm an audiophile and would like to get the Sony X series since it seems to sound better from reviews and use it with iTunes.
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You do not have to use an iPod to get music off iTunes... I have used several mp3 players and pulling the music down is really straight forward, However, you cannot SYNC a non iPod to iTunes. BIG Difference.

And I back Apple on this as when you start pretending to be an iPod, what happens when you try to down load software upgrades for your Pre???
If it hoses up the Pre, who is at fault??? Hey lets sue Apple...... er....... cause they got money and we want it. :)

Just a thought.
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Too many pages to scroll through, so if I am being repetitious, complain to the macrumors team to use a better board system.

If the content is accessible (mp3, mp4, aac, whatever) without requiring hours of burning CDs, then Palm is in the wrong here. However, if Apple will not allow me access my music without additional labor then Apple is wrong.
 
Palm shouldn't have to falsify itself to sync itself with iTunes. The majority of iTunes libraries are going to be organised into neat folders by iTunes itself anyway. Almost all of the meta-data is stored in the file itself, and not on some master list of songs, so there's no issue for songs being un-named etc. And they're all stored in formats that are readable by the device. Pre could just sync the iTunes Music folder without needing iTunes at all. This would also allow Pre users to use any media player at all, as long as they keep all their music within one directory.

Apple has every right to allow and not allow whichever devices they see fit from accessing their software. Apple doesn't need to allow third parties use software that costs them money to develop and maintain. It's clear that apple makes profit on hardware and not software, which is why Macs tend to cost a small amount more to comparable hardware, in the same way iPods cost a small amount more than similarly specced PMPs. By allowing any hardware to access it's software, Apple will lose out.

And for those saying that iTunes is slow and rubbish etc, why are you kicking up such a fuss saying Apple should allow others to sync with it?

Ideally I think Palm should pay Apple a small licensing fee, or Palm should come up with its own solution to sync the files.
 
April Fools Day

alawatsakima said:
And I stand corrected: http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/446
It would appear that Amarok DOES support the iTunes Music Store, and therefore, one argument less in the name of iTunes.

Now I'm just waiting for the stable windows and mac ports for users to clammer behind!
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This was posted on April 1. This could be an April's fool day joke.

"As a warning, there appears to be a small bug currently where users are not charged for the music they purchase and download." :eek:

That is some bug to have... :D

Hugh
 
tyrnight said:
Im pro Apple here.. I own 3 iPhones and a MBP .. but look at what Microsoft does with its Media Player. It detects media devices, whether it be a phone or other MP3 player and allows syncing...

Why must Apple make iTunes ONLY specific to Apple hardware. I know were this is going.. but ... come on.. monopoly.....
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I completely fail to see how this is a monopoly. Itunes is NOT the only app available for media playback and content management. If you dont like Apples policies regarding its use, dont use it. I cant believe some of you are whining this much that Apple wont make its FREE software open to other devices. Its no wonder Palm is on the brink of failure. They just keep stooping lower and lower. My last straw with Palm was my Treo Pro. That piece of junk developed cracks all around the case out of nowhere, and Palm refused to take care of it until I threatened to go to my attorney with all the articles on the issue as well as documents from our e-mail correspondence. I just find it hilarious that not even HTC and a second rate iPhone clone can help them get out of the toilet.
 
Roger1079 said:
I completely fail to see how this is a monopoly. Itunes is NOT the only app available for media playback and content management.
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And Windows was never the *ONLY* operating system, it was just the dominant OS.

"Monopoly" does not mean exclusive - it means having a dominant position that allows the monopolist to distort free market conditions.

It should be pretty clear that Apple has a dominant position in online music sales/distribution/players.

If the courts decide that Apple is abusing its position, they will declare that Apple is a monopoly.

It will be interesting once the courts do this. Perhaps we'll see Apple broken up into several companies, or "handcuffed" as to what crap it can pull.
 
AidenShaw said:
And Windows was never the *ONLY* operating system, it was just the dominant OS.

"Monopoly" does not mean exclusive - it means having a dominant position that allows the monopolist to distort free market conditions.

It should be pretty clear that Apple has a dominant position in online music sales/distribution/players.

If the courts decide that Apple is abusing its position, they will declare that Apple is a monopoly.

It will be interesting once the courts do this. Perhaps we'll see Apple broken up into several companies, or "handcuffed" as to what crap it can pull.
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You talk with so much authority and last time I checked no court anywhere has charged Apple with anything. You can keep on dreaming.
 
AidenShaw said:
It will be interesting once the courts do this. Perhaps we'll see Apple broken up into several companies, or "handcuffed" as to what crap it can pull.
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Anything else in your crystal ball there? :rolleyes:

Apple may move a ******** of digital content, but they are nowhere close to a monopoly, unless you dilute what it is they have a monopoly of.
 
notsofatjames said:
And for those saying that iTunes is slow and rubbish etc, why are you kicking up such a fuss saying Apple should allow others to sync with it?
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Because, while seemingly contradictory, both points fit the anti-Apple agenda, thus in the eyes of these tools, both are good.
 
Tallest Skil said:
And why do you post here at all, again? What separates you from the trolls who reject Apple at every turn?
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With every anti-Apple diatribe on MacRumors, he earns Microsoft Points. And he only needs 500 more points before earning a free birthday party at the Microsoft Store!
 
LagunaSol said:
With every anti-Apple diatribe on MacRumors, he earns Microsoft Points. And he only needs 500 more points before earning a free birthday party at the Microsoft Store!*
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*Pending completion of the construction of an actual physical storefront. Storefront completion schedule not available at this time. In the event that the physical Microsoft Store idea is pulled completely, no refund will be given in any form.
 
So, after 25 pages, I think the conclusion is this:

Palm should have written their own software.
Apple didn't do anything wrong.
Palm is going to loose this battle.

Does that about sum it up?
 
Treq said:
So, after 25 pages, I think the conclusion is this:

Palm should have written there own software.
Apple didn't do anything wrong.
Palm is going to loose this battle.

Does that about sum it up?
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As far as I understand it.
 
Treq said:
So, after 25 pages, I think the conclusion is this:

Palm should have written their own software.
Apple didn't do anything wrong.
Palm is going to loose this battle.

Does that about sum it up?
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Sure does. Why should Palm be entitled to benefit and profit from Apple's hard work? At the very least, a licensing agreement ought to have been negotiated - until then, this is simply sponging off of Apple for a free ride.
 
Roger1079 said:
I completely fail to see how this is a monopoly. Itunes is NOT the only app available for media playback and content management. If you dont like Apples policies regarding its use, dont use it. I cant believe some of you are whining this much that Apple wont make its FREE software open to other devices. Its no wonder Palm is on the brink of failure. They just keep stooping lower and lower. My last straw with Palm was my Treo Pro. That piece of junk developed cracks all around the case out of nowhere, and Palm refused to take care of it until I threatened to go to my attorney with all the articles on the issue as well as documents from our e-mail correspondence. I just find it hilarious that not even HTC and a second rate iPhone clone can help them get out of the toilet.
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Agreed - nor is iPhone/iPod Touch's OS X the only OS available for media players, media playing phones, and media playing consoles. To even approach the threshold of becoming a "monopoly," Apple would need to take the following initiative:

1. Convince Creative Labs, SanDisk, Samsung, Sony, RIM, Nokia, LG, HTC, Motorola, Palm, Microsoft, et.al. to sign an exclusive OEM licensing agreement, whereby all media playing units must come pre-installed with the iPhone/iPod Touch OS. Those units which are not "iPhone/iPod Touch Certified" (specs: capacitive touch screen, ample processor speed, RAM, 3G, GPS, Wi-Fi, etc.) will need to utilize a modified variant of the OS.

2. All competing units must be sold with the iTunes App pre-installed.

3. All competing units must be sold with the Safari Web Browser pre-installed.

4. DRM will reign for all media sold in the iTunes Store.

5. All apps for competing units must be purchased exclusively from the iTunes Store. (No BlackBerry apps for you! No Zune Marketplace, no Sony PSP App store, no WebOS App Store, etc.)

This will never happen, obviously, since Apple is more interested in staying out of the monopoly arena by selling its own hardware/software solution, one which consumers are free to choose, or not to, amongst a fairly wide variety and range of existent solutions. The accusation of Apple being a monopoly is purely comical, as a plethora of companies currently do, and shall continue to, compete fairly and prosper, in tandem, with Apple's integrated solution.
 
DMann said:
Agreed - nor is iPhone/iPod Touch's OS X the only OS available for media players, media playing phones, and media playing consoles. To even approach the threshold of becoming a "monopoly," Apple would need to take the following initiative:

1. Convince Creative Labs, SanDisk, Samsung, Sony, RIM, Nokia, LG, HTC, Motorola, Palm, Microsoft, et.al. to sign an exclusive OEM licensing agreement, whereby all media playing units must come pre-installed with the iPhone/iPod Touch OS. Those units which are not "iPhone/iPod Touch Certified" (specs: capacitive touch screen, ample processor speed, RAM, 3G, GPS, Wi-Fi, etc.) will need to utilize a modified variant of the OS.

2. All competing units must be sold with the iTunes App pre-installed.

3. All competing units must be sold with the Safari Web Browser pre-installed.

4. DRM will reign for all media sold in the iTunes Store.

5. All apps for competing units must be purchased exclusively from the iTunes Store. (No BlackBerry apps for you! No Zune Marketplace, no Sony PSP App store, no WebOS App Store, etc.)

This will never happen, obviously, since Apple is more interested in staying out of the monopoly arena by selling its own hardware/software solution, one which consumers are free to choose, or not to, amongst a fairly wide variety and range of existent solutions. The accusation of Apple of being a monopoly is purely comical, as a plethora of companies currently do, and shall continue to, compete fairly and prosper, in tandem, with Apple's integrated solution.
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That sounds like a merged Verizon and Microsoft. XD
 
War?!?!?... Well, BRING IT ON!!!!

It starts getting really beefy between Apple and others! It certainly reminds me
of the 'good' old days, when Microsuckz, alone, was standing against all others.
The only difference now is that Apple is against all others with its 'almost'
unbeatable products, while Microsuckz was against everybody because of its
excuses for 'software solutions'...
Well, guess what!!! - - - - I'm gonna be one those standing behind Apple's
'deffending army', as long as the software and hardware norms stay like they
have been up 'til now (in the history of computing...)

PS. Those who classify people like me as an Apple-fanboy, well, you can be
sure that I really try standing-out as one of them, as long as the other software
and hardware giants hide (or more likely 'lurk') behind Microsuckz back (like it
has always been up until now...) - All I 'simply' care about right now is quality,
and fortunately/ unfortunately, Apple is the only one offering it on both sides
(S/W + H/W)
 
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