So you hack itunes to pretend you're and ipod and then report Apple? The audacity of these folks.
Seriously - this is getting ridiculous. **** you Palm! How about you make your own software you losers!
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Seriously - this is getting ridiculous. **** you Palm! How about you make your own software you losers!
Palm's lameness knows no bounds.
First they violate the agreement, and then they file a complaint against Apple, thereby challenging the very agreement itself.
I think MDN's take is interesting:
Sometimes we think that Apple ought to just buy the whole Palm, Inc. mess with petty cash, issue the required pink slips, and shut the entire fiasco down, but that would unfortunately enrich the very *******s who think they're oh-so-clever while punishing Palm's worker bees. Another option is to just wait for the numbnuts running Microsoft or Dell to get the idea that they need to buy Palm, but that would produce the same exact results. What do you think Apple should do? Keep breaking Palm's attempts to sync their takeover bait with iTunes? Involve the courts? Ignore the whole charade? Something else?
First they violate the agreement, and then they file a complaint against Apple, thereby challenging the very agreement itself.
I think MDN's take is interesting:
Sometimes we think that Apple ought to just buy the whole Palm, Inc. mess with petty cash, issue the required pink slips, and shut the entire fiasco down, but that would unfortunately enrich the very *******s who think they're oh-so-clever while punishing Palm's worker bees. Another option is to just wait for the numbnuts running Microsoft or Dell to get the idea that they need to buy Palm, but that would produce the same exact results. What do you think Apple should do? Keep breaking Palm's attempts to sync their takeover bait with iTunes? Involve the courts? Ignore the whole charade? Something else?
So you hack itunes to pretend you're and ipod and then report Apple? The audacity of these folks.
I've lost all respect for Palm.
Dude seriously can you believe it. Instead of developing their own software like RIM, they decide to be lazy, hack into itunes, then when Apple blocks them from using their own software, they rehack it now pretending that the Pre is made by Apple, and then report Apple? How does that make any sense and their supporters throw around Apple being a monopoly.
I think they should settle it by having the CEO's face off with Super Soakers at forty paces.
The petty squabbling reminds me of the way SCO switched their business from technology development to making legal cases over licensing. It lowers my opinion of a company when they argue rather than innovate.
The petty squabbling reminds me of the way SCO switched their business from technology development to making legal cases over licensing. It lowers my opinion of a company when they argue rather than innovate.
Why is it that everyone who agrees with Palm brings up the argument "I should be able to do what I want with the content I purchased"? News flash: you can! It's not like Apple locked away your music with no way to get it besides listening to it on iTunes or an iPod. It's shown clearly in your music directory, waiting for you to do what you will with it. Yes, syncing with iTunes is a convenience, but it's not like Apple is saying "No! You can't do anything with your music!"
If Palm wanted to go about this the right way, they should have tried to make an agreement with Apple to let them use iTunes. Or they could make their own program to sync with the iTunes XML file.
If Palm wanted to go about this the right way, they should have tried to make an agreement with Apple to let them use iTunes. Or they could make their own program to sync with the iTunes XML file.
This is dumb.
Almost beer thirty all!
First off, yes I am a Palm Pre owner because I can not stand AT&T and their awful service, believe it or not Sprint does have better customer service and service in my region of the globe. I also own 2 Macs, an AppleTV and an 80GB iPod Classic in which I would like to use my Palm Pre in conjunction with. Now essentially what Apple is telling users like me is that even though you are a loyal customer you need to go buy our phone with our terrible business partner or you are out of luck, well if that's the case I will help Palm or any other developers I can to hack/spoof/what ever it take to use iTunes or any other programs I want to use on my hardware. I think this dumb on Apple's behalf due to the sole fact that why would you want cut off another revenue stream. Think about selling to devices outside of your products, you still make a buck.
As for resentment toward Apple, you may want to ask this fellow:
"Jonathan J. Rubinstein (born 1956) is an American computer scientist and electrical engineer who was instrumental in the creation of the iPod, the portable music and video device first sold by Apple Computer Inc. in 2001. He has been elected to serve as a member of the National Academy of Engineering and is a senior member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers.
He left his position as senior vice president of Apple's iPod division on April 14, 2006. He became executive chairman of the board at Palm, Inc. after private equity firm Elevation Partners completed a significant investment in the handheld manufacturer in October 2007.[1] He is currently the CEO of Palm, Inc., replacing former CEO Ed Colligan.[2]"
above from Wikipedia
Here's the soap box back.
Derek
Almost beer thirty all!
First off, yes I am a Palm Pre owner because I can not stand AT&T and their awful service, believe it or not Sprint does have better customer service and service in my region of the globe. I also own 2 Macs, an AppleTV and an 80GB iPod Classic in which I would like to use my Palm Pre in conjunction with. Now essentially what Apple is telling users like me is that even though you are a loyal customer you need to go buy our phone with our terrible business partner or you are out of luck, well if that's the case I will help Palm or any other developers I can to hack/spoof/what ever it take to use iTunes or any other programs I want to use on my hardware. I think this dumb on Apple's behalf due to the sole fact that why would you want cut off another revenue stream. Think about selling to devices outside of your products, you still make a buck.
As for resentment toward Apple, you may want to ask this fellow:
"Jonathan J. Rubinstein (born 1956) is an American computer scientist and electrical engineer who was instrumental in the creation of the iPod, the portable music and video device first sold by Apple Computer Inc. in 2001. He has been elected to serve as a member of the National Academy of Engineering and is a senior member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers.
He left his position as senior vice president of Apple's iPod division on April 14, 2006. He became executive chairman of the board at Palm, Inc. after private equity firm Elevation Partners completed a significant investment in the handheld manufacturer in October 2007.[1] He is currently the CEO of Palm, Inc., replacing former CEO Ed Colligan.[2]"
above from Wikipedia
Here's the soap box back.
Derek
I agree. And it's not like someone who buys a Pre can't use their iTunes purchased music. It's all DRM free, just import it into a different program and sync it. WTF is Palm acting like Apple "owes" them rights to sync?
I say **** Palm. I'm now boycotting their products for their obvious abusal of "I'm going to report you because you have something I want, but I don't want to pay royalties to use it."
You are missing a couple of points.
1. Apple doesn't make money off of iTunes, or, more accurately, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the money made from selling the hardware that syncs with iTunes. They maintain and give away iTunes to encourage consumers to buy iPods,
TVs, and now iPhones.2. Any media device can access the iTunes information through the files that iTunes creates. That allows 3rd party devices to get songs, playlists, and ratings without directly using iTunes. Any number of MP3-playing phones and players have been using that method for years. That is what Palm should have done with the Pre, instead of pretending that it was an iPod.
And as for your last point, if former Apple employees used Apple's intellectual property to help the Pre spoof iTunes, that's more than a "feud," it's not only not kosher, it's a violation of their contracts and is called theft.
what you're missing is that itunes is bait for ipods/iphones...that's where apple makes the bulk of their itunes related profit, through sale of related hardware. the same pattern is replicated throughout apple's business...software is used to entice people into buying their hardware. it's why apple went to bat over psystar and why they'll fight palm over this.
The act of a very desperate company. Give up, Palm. You're doomed for bankruptcy. You're selling less than 1/4 the Pre devices you expected to sell weekly, one in three Pre devices are being returned.. you've failed. Give up. I mean, really. Who makes such a "great" (Used very loosely) device, yet can't make their own software to use it with? What a joke! That's like Ferrari making new Enzo's that you have to make your own fenders for. I'm so glad the Pre was an absolute and total failure.
Palm: I'm gonna take your iTunes and use it.
Apple: No!
Palm: Mom! Apple won't let me use his iTunes!
Where do they get off reporting Apple when they are in violation by trying to use iTunes? I hope this backfires at Palm.
Apple: No!
Palm: Mom! Apple won't let me use his iTunes!
Where do they get off reporting Apple when they are in violation by trying to use iTunes? I hope this backfires at Palm.
I take it you're against Apple making OS X to only run on Mac's then.
There is no monopoly leveraging here. Apple is a hardware company and made an MP3 player that people wanted. That device is useless without an app to interface with it, so to actually use the iPod/iPhone, they wrote iTunes. iTunes was written to manage the iPod, not anything else, the iPod. iTunes exists to make the iPod/iPhone easy to use.
Palm on the other hand, wants to ride on Apples coat tails and lower dev costs so instead of writing an app to sync and manage their device, they break USB standards and just use iTunes.
Well, ya gotta say that Palm does have a set of balls in taking this action. Of course, Apple will unquestionably be filing a huge lawsuit before the sun sets. Ya know, I just can't understand how Palm could possibly think this is Ok. Oh well, I'm buying extra popcorn for this one. ~
Regards,
Regards,
Wait, Wait?
Im pro Apple here.. I own 3 iPhones and a MBP .. but look at what Microsoft does with its Media Player. It detects media devices, whether it be a phone or other MP3 player and allows syncing...
Why must Apple make iTunes ONLY specific to Apple hardware. I know were this is going.. but ... come on.. monopoly.....
Im pro Apple here.. I own 3 iPhones and a MBP .. but look at what Microsoft does with its Media Player. It detects media devices, whether it be a phone or other MP3 player and allows syncing...
Why must Apple make iTunes ONLY specific to Apple hardware. I know were this is going.. but ... come on.. monopoly.....
If they put as much effort into writing their own software as they do in trying to steal someone else's they'd have some pretty decent sync software by now.
As it stands, they are simply trying to leech off the work of others.
This has got nothing whatsoever to do with principles or trying to "help their customers". If they really wanted to help their customers they'd write a decent bit of software themselves.... That's just typical advertiser ********...
As a programmer i just can't help feeling very passionate about this; honestly if someone was doing this to Microsoft i'd be just as mad on basic principle...
I'm genuinely amazed that a company like Palm are quite simply acting like a bedroom based hacking crew.... (at least the hacking crew would be honest enough to admit they were ripping something off...)
Apple own the Vendor ID's. If they want to write a piece of software that blocks all devices except those with their own vendor ID that's up to them.
And, i've said it before and i'll say it again... If Palm are that passionate about having an "Open" music / video sync system that all devices can sync to why don't they put their money where their mouth is, pull their fingers out their arses and write their own!!!
As it stands, they are simply trying to leech off the work of others.
This has got nothing whatsoever to do with principles or trying to "help their customers". If they really wanted to help their customers they'd write a decent bit of software themselves.... That's just typical advertiser ********...
As a programmer i just can't help feeling very passionate about this; honestly if someone was doing this to Microsoft i'd be just as mad on basic principle...
I'm genuinely amazed that a company like Palm are quite simply acting like a bedroom based hacking crew.... (at least the hacking crew would be honest enough to admit they were ripping something off...)
Apple own the Vendor ID's. If they want to write a piece of software that blocks all devices except those with their own vendor ID that's up to them.
And, i've said it before and i'll say it again... If Palm are that passionate about having an "Open" music / video sync system that all devices can sync to why don't they put their money where their mouth is, pull their fingers out their arses and write their own!!!
It comes down to this for me. iTunes is a free player. Its existence is paid for by the ipod and iphone. If another company wants to use it without paying for it then its illegal.
Interesting though how this MAY set a ver very important precedent, We'll see if Palm can hold up better than Psystar.
Interesting though how this MAY set a ver very important precedent, We'll see if Palm can hold up better than Psystar.
LOL at everyone who is mad at Palm about this. Seriously, grow up.
Just let Palm do their thing. You can break the code every other week, and they'll break it the following week. Focus those resources on making the best software and hardware you can instead.
This is actually a plus for Apple... this means Palm Pre users will purchase music from iTunes.
Just let Palm do their thing. You can break the code every other week, and they'll break it the following week. Focus those resources on making the best software and hardware you can instead.
This is actually a plus for Apple... this means Palm Pre users will purchase music from iTunes.
HA! (And that wasn't sarcasm). Anyway... palm is entering a dangerous field here. They're making iTunes think the Pre is made by Apple! For God's sake! Doesn't anybody see something weird here (sarcasm)?