Bull. Itunes job is to sync with ipods and iphones, it's not the equivalent of WMP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_media_player
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes
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Palm Reports Apple to USB Compliance Organization Over iTunes Syncing Issues
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Bull. Itunes job is to sync with ipods and iphones, it's not the equivalent of WMP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_media_player
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes
The problem isn't the second part--it's the first part.
Palm very easily could have written a sync application that moved iTunes music over to the device. There's nothing stopping them from doing so. They have full access to sync services and the iTunes library file. What Palm is doing is media whoring and trying to dump supporting its devices on Apple.
Palm, without authority, is dumping the Pre on Apple's doorstep and trying to force them to ensure that they always maintain compatibility with their internal APIs. This is flatly wrong.
Nobody cares about copying the content or syncing iTunes playlists. There's a relatively easy, completely legitimate way to achieve it, and Palm is just unwilling to spend the money to do it.
Their device is masquerading as another device made and wholly owned by another party. If someone configured their computer to spoof your own, in order to gain access to your personal network, that would fall under the broad umbrella of hacking.
And they do. Any of the media that you can play on the Pre can be copied onto it without drama. Palm went for the spotlight instead.
The iTunes client application doesn't even come close to being a monopoly.
iTunes syncs to Apple devices because Apple makes both. Zune Desktop syncs to Zunes. Verizon's data manager works with Verizon-supported devices. This is the way it works. One cannot be forced to support the products of a third party. Microsoft's media syncing works because all of the companies involved got together and worked out a mutually agreeable solution. That didn't happen here.
Apple keeps the music bought with iTunes in your music folder. Palm is free to provide some software that can access those songs and sync them to the Pre.
Just because Apple provides a nice interface designed to work well with their hardware does not mean monopoly.
If they were hiding the music you had paid for, that would be a different story. Instead, they leave it right there on your hard disk ready for any hardware maker to access.
Just because Apple provides a nice interface designed to work well with their hardware does not mean monopoly.
If they were hiding the music you had paid for, that would be a different story. Instead, they leave it right there on your hard disk ready for any hardware maker to access.
Unfortunately(for Apple), that isn't a legally protected arrangement. In fact, the iTunes Music Store can be seen as a monopoly that Apple is using to take over more profitable segments, such as MP3 players and smart phones.
Here is the thing, as far as I know, you can still use iTunes to manage your music and get that music onto other devices. A guy I know had a cheapo mp3 player that was similar to the Shuffle (no screen, just music playback). When he connected that to his Mac, it showed on his desktop and he could drag his music from iTunes to the device - the music he owns on the device he chooses.
Palm doesn't want that, they want all the slickness and options that the iPhone has. Apple doesn't have to provide that. The way I see it, if the Pre can plug into a Mac and charge, if it shows up on the desktop, and if the users music can be moved into the pre manually, then Apple is not messing with USB compatibility. When will people and companies understand that no one or thing is entitled to the smooth operation that exists between iPod and iTunes. It is not a monopoly, it not some dasterdly scheme, it is just great engineering on Apple's part.
I did not say they are currently, what I was saying many of these manufacturers will end up doing it and get slapped in the head. I personally think that any company that wants to build off an open community should be more open to sharing and not act like 5yr olds. Don't worry Apple will tell Palm your a bum head and take their tonka truck home in a few days. Then Pre users like me won't upgrade iTunes again until sync is back and the boys won't play nice again.
This really makes no sense for Apple saying here buy an Apple TV and hack the hell out to play other content we don't sell since it's a hobby toy but oh boy you bought a Pre so you can't haz cheeseburger.
That's not entirely true... iTunes existed before iPods. I used to manage my Creative mp3 player with iTunes back then. (What a piece of crap!)
Let me get this straight
Palm is asking for assistance from the very organization whose rules they are explicitly breaking by pretending to be an Apple device? "Hi, I'm sorry I broke your rules regarding vendor ID's, but I had to because mean old Apple won't give me access of my own to their software."
Palm is asking for assistance from the very organization whose rules they are explicitly breaking by pretending to be an Apple device? "Hi, I'm sorry I broke your rules regarding vendor ID's, but I had to because mean old Apple won't give me access of my own to their software."
Apple is probably waiting for a magical number of Pre users to be able to let loose it's legal team...
Anyone else seen the Sprint commercial touting the "Now Network" and where Sprint says 1000's are enjoying the Pre!
Excuse me???? 1000's? I thought the Pre was a hit. Why didn't their commercial say tens of thousands or hundred's of thousands or a quarter of a million or half a million or three quarter's of a million which all are based on thousands of users...
Just saying, for Sprint to use that kind of descriptive language, "1000's are enjoying the Pre" makes me wonder how big a hit it really is right now versus the hype it was made out to be and Apple can't take action until the Pre has come of age to where "100,000's are enjoying the Pre"!
Anyone else seen the Sprint commercial touting the "Now Network" and where Sprint says 1000's are enjoying the Pre!
Excuse me???? 1000's? I thought the Pre was a hit. Why didn't their commercial say tens of thousands or hundred's of thousands or a quarter of a million or half a million or three quarter's of a million which all are based on thousands of users...
Just saying, for Sprint to use that kind of descriptive language, "1000's are enjoying the Pre" makes me wonder how big a hit it really is right now versus the hype it was made out to be and Apple can't take action until the Pre has come of age to where "100,000's are enjoying the Pre"!
Here's why you're just wrong. From the post above yours, it was elequently put this way.....
"Why is it that everyone who agrees with Palm brings up the argument "I should be able to do what I want with the content I purchased"? News flash: you can! It's not like Apple locked away your music with no way to get it besides listening to it on iTunes or an iPod. It's shown clearly in your music directory, waiting for you to do what you will with it. Yes, syncing with iTunes is a convenience, but it's not like Apple is saying "No! You can't do anything with your music!"
If Palm wanted to go about this the right way, they should have tried to make an agreement with Apple to let them use iTunes. Or they could make their own program to sync with the iTunes XML file."
Actually you're right. Palm is essentially hacking itunes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_(technology)
What a bunch of nonsense. Last time I checked you can put itunes music on your Pre. Apple also doesn't have a monopoly on syncing software.
this is what palm is doing:
1. you have a wi-fi network in your home
2. you note that few people come and park in the public street near your home with their gear to use your wi-fi to access the internet.
3. you put a key to access your wi-fi
4. folks on the street hack your key, and report you to the provider because these folks believe that they are entitle to your wi-fi as long as they are on the public street.
5. meanwhile, you pay for all the overhead associated with your wi-fi...
This is the key: iTunes is actually not free.
There is overhead associated with iTunes. Big time overhead (think server farms), and Palm wants a free ride to Apple overhead to steal a few Apple customers. Then Palm complains about it too, that Apple is not letting Palm have a free ride in their quest to 'kill' Apple products...
It is easy to see that Palm is a moronic bunch of folks with chips on their shoulders.
1. you have a wi-fi network in your home
2. you note that few people come and park in the public street near your home with their gear to use your wi-fi to access the internet.
3. you put a key to access your wi-fi
4. folks on the street hack your key, and report you to the provider because these folks believe that they are entitle to your wi-fi as long as they are on the public street.
5. meanwhile, you pay for all the overhead associated with your wi-fi...
This is the key: iTunes is actually not free.
There is overhead associated with iTunes. Big time overhead (think server farms), and Palm wants a free ride to Apple overhead to steal a few Apple customers. Then Palm complains about it too, that Apple is not letting Palm have a free ride in their quest to 'kill' Apple products...
It is easy to see that Palm is a moronic bunch of folks with chips on their shoulders.
I would research the product I was buying first, if it didn't do what I wanted it to, I wouldn't buy it.
As others have stated, Palm can write their own app to sync with iTunes as others have done, like RIM, but they have not. I suggest your aggravation is misplaced. Direct it towards Palm. Developing a hardware device and being too lazy / cheap to write software for it is just weak sauce.
I don't agree with you that the burden to de-aggravate Palm's customers is on Apple's shoulders.
iTunes is the default audio player of OSX. WMP is the default audio player of Windows. Both organize your music. Both sync with devices. Both are used by the majority of their users.
You know damn well that Microsoft would never in a million years get away with blocking any MP3 player that wasnt a Zune in WMP. When you include something like WMP or iTunes with your operating system you have a responsibility to play fair with competitors.
Wow ***** just go real! Palm may be going a little too far now. Although I'm not real sure how much say this compliance organization has anyway. Plus the face that Palm is violating the USB standard by using Apple's ID can't help their case. Seems that this isn't going to die down anytime soon.
One reason I'm supporting Palm in this matter is simply for the panty-bunching it causes here. What a fun read.
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***** Palm, this is a hail mary to try and advance their product. Get your devolopers to write a media managment interface as good as iTunes and stop sucking off of someone elses work. Hell interface with media player see how far that gets you!
***** Palm, this is a hail mary to try and advance their product. Get your devolopers to write a media managment interface as good as iTunes and stop sucking off of someone elses work. Hell interface with media player see how far that gets you!
True, however Apple no longer offers that and that kind of functionality was limited to what iTunes was capable at the time and was done with the blessing and agreement of both parties. The events today have totally changed. THat was then. Now is very different.
How? In what way does Apple force you to purchase music from iTunes? Are you trying to say that Apple somehow has nefariousness disabled all software based cd ripping? Has designed their computers to block all other sources of purchasing music? Prevented you from buying CD's?
All Apple has going for the iTunes store is that they are number one. That does not make a monopoly. There are several legitimate competitors that openly sell music on the Apple platform and are synced onto Apple's players. That is the very essisace of competetion.
Furthermore
opularity!= monopoly and Monopoly != a crime on it's own.Show me how Apple prevents competition by selling a popular product in unrelated markets. Prove one exists.
I know that, I personally could care less either way since DoubleTwist is out there but the point is for someone that doesn't know this.
I don't get why all the Mac/iPhone users are PO'd though, is the money coming out of your pocket, is it physically hurting you, if it is I would consider getting help. I use 3 platforms a day, everyday and all of them has their ups and downs but what I don't get is why go batsh*t crazy when it is not directly affecting you? I choose Apple for a majority of my computing needs personally, it's I don't chose the deathstar and Apple as my phone provider.