Panther No Longer Pre-Release?

[iHack]

Originally posted by NicoMan
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Then the only thing you have to do is buy a dutch keyboard layout from Apple (should be around €75), if there is such a thing.

The physical keyboard lay-out is the same as the US/international. Only have to change some settings to allow for diacritical characters (we use the ¨and ´, the first to mark separate syllables where confusion may occur, the second to add stress if that's what it's called). This typically is done in software, but I'm not sure OSX needs it. My Imac and PB had Dutch OSX pre-installed (of preïnstalled, in the Dutch way).

I'm convinced that you can get your VAT back if you buy at the right stores - you have to 'check your stuff out' at the airport to be refunded. As a consequence, you're supposed to paid duties when entering your own country. But if you send all paperwork etc. to yourself buy mail, the customs officer has no indication that you just bought the stuff you're carrying.

M.

 

[whooleytoo]

Originally posted by vrapan
2. Apple hardly does bussiness per se in the EU. They do not have a store presense only a web site they have as far as I know only one assembly in Ireland and they only have some tech support which much of it is done through by outsourcing and for which they DO collect a heavy premium because if you check UK and US Applecare prices the difference is ridiculous.

Apple have a large sales and tech support call centre in Cork, as far as I'm aware, none of it's outsourced (unless it's changed recently). They also do a lot of localization, plus both hardware and software testing. They used to do a lot of development (I think a lot of the Dock was done there), but I don't think they do any longer.

Mike.

 

[SiliconAddict]

Why the heck does Apple play these last minute games with OS releases? Love em or hate em MS sets a release date for new OS releases months in advance and the only time they push back releases date is usually when its more then a year from being released. Apple seems to have the more laid back approach of "we'll get it to you when we get it to you" method. Which is fine but it appears to drive Mac users nuts.

Maybe its just me but Apple software development\release seem like a fly by the seat of your pants, shove it out the door 10 seconds after a new build kinda thing. *shrugs* I suppose its the end results that matter. Its just that playing these guessing games with something as pettily as a simple release date sucks.


PS- Someone stated that MS removed features prior to releasing the gold code. In my experience with WINNT/2K/XP they have NEVER done this. I’ve gotten my hands on beta code of all of these OSs and a few others and can honestly say that anything that hits RC status gets shipped.

 

[hayesk]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Why the heck does Apple play these last minute games with OS releases? Love em or hate em MS sets a release date for new OS releases months in advance and the only time they push back releases date is usually when its more then a year from being released. Apple seems to have the more laid back approach of "we'll get it to you when we get it to you" method.

Because MS ships OSes with more bugs in it. They may release it when they say, but they don't necessarily finish it when they say they will.

 

[Rower_CPU]

Apple has always said "by the end of the year" for the Panther release. How is that "fly by the seat of your pants"?

They should be done in a couple of weeks. If you had any idea of what goes on in the developer/seed programs you'd change your tune in a hurry.

 

[chicagoboy]

Free Panther Upgrade?

I recently bought a G5 and was told by the sales guy that the software upgrade coupons in the box (there are 3) would entitle me to a free Panther upgrade when it comes out. Is this true? Could someone email me and let me know.

chicagoboy
jdrosen@hotmail.com

 

[crazytom]

Re: Free Panther Upgrade?

Originally posted by chicagoboy
I recently bought a G5 and was told by the sales guy that the software upgrade coupons in the box (there are 3) would entitle me to a free Panther upgrade when it comes out. Is this true? Could someone email me and let me know.

chicagoboy
jdrosen@hotmail.com

I've always wondered about those software upgrade coupons....I've searched high and low for some direction on how to use them, but have never found any....

 

[Rincewind42]

Re: out of the topic????

Originally posted by VicMacs
7B80 out in torrents...

Maybe this will prove that it isn't leaking via general ADC, since us Select members haven't seen it yet

 

[MacQuest]

Panther within the month. Yeah boy!!

 

[MacSlut]

No Duale on About Box

7B80 is showing "Dual" not "Duale". This is looking very close to being complete, and worth the upgrade price.

I haven't seen this mentioned before, but DVD Player now allows you to play on any monitor in a multiple monitor setup...I love this!

 

[bitfactory]

so i take it the "slew" of new animation effects and or UI changes is BS? or are they only in 81? strange how no one has seen any UI changes in these builds.

 

[WM.]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
You have just won the "taking a remark out of context" award.

Congratulations!

*takes a bow*

The poster I was replying to said that since Europe had no Apple Stores, Apple therefore didn't do business in Europe.

Well, yes, but he didn't refer to only the stores; he also mentioned manufacturing and tech support. My point was that in those areas, Apple is moving toward doing less in the US, not more.

My point was that Apple didn't have any retail stores in the US until a couple years ago, so it was a bad criteria to use. Apple is, of course, an American company, so they do do business in the US, and always have.

And they're moving toward doing less. They still do more here than anywhere else, I'd think, but I'm sure it's quite cost-effective to outsource more engineering to the manufacturers in Taiwan, etc.

WM

 

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by WM.
Well, yes, but he didn't refer to only the stores; he also mentioned manufacturing and tech support. My point was that in those areas, Apple is moving toward doing less in the US, not more.

And they're moving toward doing less. They still do more here than anywhere else, I'd think, but I'm sure it's quite cost-effective to outsource more engineering to the manufacturers in Taiwan, etc.

WM

 

[bennetsaysargh]

HAHAHA!
that's a great picture phil!

 

[cshuman]

Is it running on Gossamers?

I have a Beige G3 and had heard that Panther will not run on "old world machines", can anyone confirm this to be true or can Panther be run on a Beige?

Apple can either get my $129 bucks for Panther and allow it to run on my beige or not get anything at all. I don't have the money now to buy a new Mac.

Chris

 

[Phil Of Mac]

Re: Is it running on Gossamers?

Originally posted by cshuman
I have a Beige G3 and had heard that Panther will not run on "old world machines", can anyone confirm this to be true or can Panther be run on a Beige?

Apple can either get my $129 bucks for Panther and allow it to run on my beige or not get anything at all. I don't have the money now to buy a new Mac.

Chris

I don't think it'll run on the beige.

Sorry.

 

[NicoMan]

Re: No Duale on About Box

Originally posted by MacSlut
I haven't seen this mentioned before, but DVD Player now allows you to play on any monitor in a multiple monitor setup...I love this!

Awesome!!

 

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
IT'S AN AMERICAN COMPANY!

You don't hear me whining about the Germans paying less for a BMW, or about the Japanese paying less for everything Sony makes!

Besides, it seems that your silly VAT makes the difference to you. So blame your own governments.

Yes we are whining. And there is a good reason for that: if you had listened to what he said, VAT (or sales tax) is responsible for only about half the difference in price.
Now about you not whining about prices of BMW, I don't think they are that different. I was too lazy to investigate BMW, but I checked on the porsche website the price of a Boxster S (It pains me to compare Apple's situation with car manufacturers, cause I hate that f**king analogy. Anyway...) and the difference
if you take away the VAT is less than 4%. Nothing to scream about. Especially when the said VAT compensate between 3 and 4 times that difference.

I'm sure Apple wants to hire staff just to check the exchange rates every morning and adjust prices accordingly.

Fair point, and no one has suggested that they should adjust the prices daily. Of course it's normal that Apple should give themselves some margin on the exchange rate to be on the safe side, and the more volatile the exchange rate the wider the margin. But, there are financial tools at Apple's disposal (especially for a company that big) to reduce their exposure to the exchange rates. So that's why it seems a bit unfair that they should make the European customers (for example) pay that much of a premium for their products.

Anyway, we are digressing here.

 

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
To some extent, but they still have to pay corporate income tax in the EU for the business they do there.

If I'm not mistaken, Apple Europe is based in Cork, Ireland, and for a very good reason. Corporate tax is ridiculously low there: 12.5%!!! Any good? that means it's cheaper for them (tax-wise) to do their business in Europe.

 

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by iHack
But for God's sake get a sense of good taste. War is not a laughing matter. Especially of the kind where millions are killed.

M.

And 1812, wasn't that something to do with Napoleon (that short French guy)?

Sorry but I'm with Phil of Mac on this one. If we can't joke here, sh*t!! Just chill everyone.

 

[NicoMan]

Re: We want de pant-aire.

Originally posted by Romanesq
As for the reference to Gemany. Tackless and tasteless. I mean, the poor guys have Schroeder which is a tad better than the other old European state with no foreign policy: France.

If Chirac was not in office, he'd be in jail for selling out the country. Must have been watching Bill Clinton closely for lessons on selling out. Chirac sold to many countries including Iraq. Clinton, only one country we know of: China.

Now if we go off topic, let's mix it up.

How many resolutions does a country need to be threatened with before the Security Council does ... nothing?

I'll take the whole lot as a joke, if you will.

 

[Romanesq]

We still want de pant-aire

and hopefully any new buyers will get some discount if they haven't yet received their machines.

Mine is scheduled for ship end of this week on Friday.
I doubt from some of the stories if that will take place as since last Friday I haven't seen any activity. I believe folks are crossing their fingers.

If there is any delay I can only hope it helps to get Panther.

 

[WM.]

LOL--fantastic image, Phil!

WM

 

[tyrannus]

Why no shortcut for Favorites in Finder anymore?

I notice that Panther's Finer removes the keyboard shortcut for Favorites. In Jaguar, this shortcut is command-shift-F. Why on Earth did Apple remove this? I use this shortcut all the time.

 

[Phil Of Mac]

In Panther, there are no Favorites.