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Originally posted by Phil Of Mac

You don't hear me whining about the Germans paying less for a BMW, or about the Japanese paying less for everything Sony makes! Hell, we WON the war, WE should pay less! :)


Extremely funny, har har. Or were you serious after all? God bless America.
 
Hell, we WON the war, WE should pay less!

Uhhh... which war? Microsoft? Iraq? Terrorism? WWII? Just curious as to where this tasteless comment's basis is coming from.
 
panther with G5?

I am going to be placing my order for a G5 very soon. Does anyone know if Panther will be installed on the machines? And if it isn't, will there be some sort of a rebate enclosed for the purchase?
 
Originally posted by Photorun
Uhhh... which war? Microsoft? Iraq? Terrorism? WWII? Just curious as to where this tasteless comment's basis is coming from.

Yeah, the list continues, Granada, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, Iraq, Iraq the sequel, on Drugs, etc, etc ?

Hmmmm. Weapons of mass destruction, willing to use them (inc. testing them on their own civilians), not complying with UN resolutions, nationalistic, shown their aggression to other nations repeatedly.
Pop quiz: which country does this apply to:
1 US of A
2 Israel
3 Russia
4 all of the above.

Sorry for going of topic so much. The 'we won the war' remarks really ticks me off. Especially coming from someone who was only just leaving kindergarten in Gulf War I.
BTW my country (Netherlands) was liberated by Canadians and Brits.

M.
 
I think you're placing far too much importance in a comment that I meant sarcastically and was not in any way related to the main point I was making.

If it really bothers you that much, I'll go back and edit it out. One should always listen to John Cleese: "Don't mention the war!"

But for God's sake, get a sense of humor. It's not like I get bent out of shape whenever some Canadian jokes about 1812.
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
I think you're placing far too much importance in a comment that I meant sarcastically and was not in any way related to the main point I was making.

If it really bothers you that much, I'll go back and edit it out. One should always listen to John Cleese: "Don't mention the war!"

But for God's sake, get a sense of humor. It's not like I get bent out of shape whenever some Canadian jokes about 1812.

But for God's sake get a sense of good taste. War is not a laughing matter. Especially of the kind where millions are killed.

M.

And 1812, wasn't that something to do with Napoleon (that short French guy)?
 
Originally posted by iHack
And 1812, wasn't that something to do with Napoleon (that short French guy)?

The Napoleonic Wars were going on around 1812, but the War of 1812 (as we call it here in the US) was a war between the US and the UK, during which the US unsuccessfully invaded Canada and the British burned down Washington, DC. I think it's a source of national pride for Canada that the United States has never successfully invaded them. In any case, the War of 1812 ended in an utter stalemate.

In any case, my remark about "we should pay lower prices for German and Japanese goods because we won the war" was meant as an ironic remark about the fact that the US deals with Japan and Germany in a manner that has nothing to do with the war. So I wasn't technically joking about the war itself, I was simply joking about the uncharacteristically friendly and mutually prosperous post-war relations between the US and our former enemies.

It was never my intent to offend anyone, but it appears that my words have been interpreted differently than I intended, and I apologize for that.
 
Originally posted by Rocketman
Everything else on that screen is in North American english.

Rocketman

Actually, there is no such thing as "North American english" - there is Canadian english (pretty much the same as true UK english), and bastardized American english. ;)

After stumbling upon this site for the first time via a link, I couldn't understand why I was getting a 404 error after typing in www.macrumours.com (note the "u") when I tried to access it the second time! :D
 
We want de pant-aire.

And we'd like to have it about now. Wonder what my chances are with a 15" on order to be shipped on or before 10/3. I'm referring to some coupon program not in fact panther outright.

As far as our fine Dutch footballers, I wasn completely unaware that the Canadiens were running operations in Europe with the Brits in its liberation.

As for the reference to Gemany. Tackless and tasteless. I mean, the poor guys have Schroeder which is a tad better than the other old European state with no foreign policy: France.

If Chirac was not in office, he'd be in jail for selling out the country. Must have been watching Bill Clinton closely for lessons on selling out. Chirac sold to many countries including Iraq. Clinton, only one country we know of: China.

Now if we go off topic, let's mix it up.

How many resolutions does a country need to be threatened with before the Security Council does ... nothing?:p
 
Re: We want de pant-aire.

Originally posted by Romanesq
As far as our fine Dutch footballers, I wasn completely unaware that the Canadiens were running operations in Europe with the Brits in its liberation.

Heck ya, we were in there from day one just like good loyal British subjects! No waiting around until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour! Sept. 1939 - 2 years before America entered the war. :cool:

We Canucks were also side-by-side with you guys and the Brits on D-Day, taking Juno beach by ourselves, and being one of the first to complete their objectives. Also, as iHack noted Canadian troops were made up the largest contingent of the force liberating the Netherlands. To this day, every year the Dutch government sends tens of thousands of tulips that are planted in the national gardens around Ottawa as thanks.

...As for pricing, Apple is not too far off up here. The only problem is that their exchange rate adjustment tends to lag a little, as lately the Can. $ has (or at least was) going up in value relative to the US$. Other than that, and the fact that most of Canada is hit with a rediculous 15% sales tax (except oil rich Alberta which only has 7% sales tax) their pricing is not that far off, espcially if you are like me and get the education pricing - $2600 (after $300 rebate) including tax for one of the new 12" PB, 10GB iPod and free Canon i450 printer. :D That works out to about US$1870. Plus I'm selling my old 5giger for $200 so that only sweetens the deal!
 
Da Swiss?

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
I think at this point I'm just going to support wholeheartedly the Swiss foreign policy.


Appeasement, yeah thats the way to make the world safe...
 
Re: Re: Da Swiss?

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Appeasement? Nah, armed neutrality. Hanging out in the hills armed to the teeth and running hotels and banks. That's the way to go.

Sounds better when you put it that way...
 
Re: Re: We want de pant-aire.

Originally posted by T.Rex
...As for pricing, Apple is not too far off up here. The only problem is that their exchange rate adjustment tends to lag a little, as lately the Can. $ has (or at least was) going up in value relative to the US$. Other than that, and the fact that most of Canada is hit with a rediculous 15% sales tax (except oil rich Alberta which only has 7% sales tax) their pricing is not that far off, espcially if you are like me and get the education pricing - $2600 (after $300 rebate) including tax for one of the new 12" PB, 10GB iPod and free Canon i450 printer. :D That works out to about US$1870. Plus I'm selling my old 5giger for $200 so that only sweetens the deal!

Of course you get good pricing. You won the War of 1812! We have to give you good prices!
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
...Apple didn't hardly even do business in America until a few years ago.
Nonsense. In the early days everything was done in the US, of course, so I'd say that qualifies as "doing business". And I've been to the Apple campus (about five months ago), and I'd say there was quite a lot of business being done there--no manufacturing, I'm sure, but engineering, R&D, sales, marketing, etc., and presumably The Steve himself, along with the rest of the executives, spends most of his Apple time there.

(The unfortunate thing about One Infinite Loop is that there's nothing for a random visitor to do there aside from check out the company store--which probably was a lot cooler when there were no retail stores, but now one's opened up about two miles that way -----> as I type this, so the Apple Retail Experience™ is pretty close at hand now...)

WM
 
Originally posted by WM.
Nonsense. In the early days everything was done in the US, of course, so I'd say that qualifies as "doing business". And I've been to the Apple campus (about five months ago), and I'd say there was quite a lot of business being done there--no manufacturing, I'm sure, but engineering, R&D, sales, marketing, etc., and presumably The Steve himself, along with the rest of the executives, spends most of his Apple time there.

You have just won the "taking a remark out of context" award.

Congratulations!

The poster I was replying to said that since Europe had no Apple Stores, Apple therefore didn't do business in Europe. My point was that Apple didn't have any retail stores in the US until a couple years ago, so it was a bad criteria to use. Apple is, of course, an American company, so they do do business in the US, and always have.
 
While we're off topic.....

Originally posted by iHack
BTW my country (Netherlands) was liberated by CANADIANS and Brits.
M.

And now we pause for a shameless flag-waving opportunity
Yeaaahh Canada!!!

We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming...

:D
 
Originally posted by iHack
prices that don't subsidise US buyers - check
Oh yeah I forgot about that one. Silly me. But you know, I live in rip-off England (even worse... in super-expensive London), so I don't even notice anymore.


Hey, when I give myself a budget of $ 1100,00 I can buy a ticket for me and my wife, from Amsterdam to New-York and check into a nice hotel for a few days. When I buy my PowerBook while I there, I can still save money! Seems like a nice way to surprise her :) .
Even better: if you friends or family there, get them to order one online from Macmall or something, so they get it without VAT. If you buy it off a NY reseller, you'll have to pay 8.5% sales tax (is it still 8.5% or has it gone up?). Then the only thing you have to do is buy a dutch keyboard layout from Apple (should be around €75), if there is such a thing.
 
prices that don't subsidise US buyers - check

Let's compare a stock 17" Powerbook:
US Apple store (online): $ 2999,--
And to name few Euro prices (online):
German store € 3479,-- (VAT 16%) = US $ 3995
UK store GBP 2399,-- (VAT 17,5) = US $ 3983,--
Dutch store: € 3568,-- (VAT 19%) = US $ 4097,--
Belgian store € 3629,-- (VAT 21%) = US $ 4167,--

That's a European mark-up of about 33%. I checked G5's too - they take a 25% mark-up. Cross-Atlantic shipping must be very expensive...

Hey, when I give myself a budget of $ 1100,00 I can buy a ticket for me and my wife, from Amsterdam to New-York and check into a nice hotel for a few days. When I buy my PowerBook while I there, I can still save money! Seems like a nice way to surprise her .

BTW, Japanese store 379800,-- (VAT ?) US $ 3397,-- equals + 13% Hey, what would a ticket to Tokyo cost...

Its very simple.....the factory that makes the pound sign "£" on the keyboard is staffed by Umpa Lumpas! And they are very very expensive to keep! all that chocolate........finest belgian stuff mind...none of that hersheys rubbish! (irony is that the stalwart of UK chocolate, Cadburys has just bought Hersheys......so maybe they will change the taste...)

Oh and they make the Yen key and the Euro key :)
 
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