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and check out the finder icon in the dock, looks wierd, the smile is wider and the edges are sort of beveled, i like the current more classy look. maybe that icon just means its a beta or alpha version and they'll switch it back when panther becomes availible. the finder icon in the about box matches the old one.
they're not makeing us use it thankfully, u can change it back to the theme you see used for mail
Re: Long overdue UI feature returns
Well clearly, they are very demanding on the CPU, using them on anything less than a Dual 2GHz 970 tower would slow the system to a crawl
As I understand it, most of the 10.3 changes are under the hood. Apple's own internal tests cited boot speed, log-in time and UI responsiveness as target areas. Also Quartz Extreme should be getting an update (I REALLY hope so). Many applications/technologies are still using classic code (QuickTime being the most shocking example), all (?) of which have been rewritten in 10.3
Finally I think it is unfair to pass judgement on a new OS based on 12 screenshots!
AppleMatt
edit: I read this morning the speed improvement from 10.2 > 10.3 was greater than that seen from 10.1 > 10.2, even on the oldest hardware.
Well clearly, they are very demanding on the CPU, using them on anything less than a Dual 2GHz 970 tower would slow the system to a crawl
As I understand it, most of the 10.3 changes are under the hood. Apple's own internal tests cited boot speed, log-in time and UI responsiveness as target areas. Also Quartz Extreme should be getting an update (I REALLY hope so). Many applications/technologies are still using classic code (QuickTime being the most shocking example), all (?) of which have been rewritten in 10.3
Finally I think it is unfair to pass judgement on a new OS based on 12 screenshots!
AppleMatt
edit: I read this morning the speed improvement from 10.2 > 10.3 was greater than that seen from 10.1 > 10.2, even on the oldest hardware.
Just to clarify this:
Exposé appears to be a feature whereby all the windows on screen are displayed at once, non-overlapping. They are shrunk to fit on screen so that all of them are viewable at once, allowing you to quickly select between windows by looking at them, instead of relying on window names alone. You can, it seems, choose to do this to all windows, or just to ones in the current application, simply by moving your mouse into a corner of the screen.
To me, they don't seem to be like piles, they work with currently open windows.
So, for example, and I reckon this would be *very* cool, you pick something up in the Finder, say in your Home folder. But your current folder obscures your destination folder: you drag the file to the corner of the screen, then drop the file into the destination folder, which is now viewable, and upon completion, it all snaps back. Bam!
That is, provided it works with drag and drop.
Exposé appears to be a feature whereby all the windows on screen are displayed at once, non-overlapping. They are shrunk to fit on screen so that all of them are viewable at once, allowing you to quickly select between windows by looking at them, instead of relying on window names alone. You can, it seems, choose to do this to all windows, or just to ones in the current application, simply by moving your mouse into a corner of the screen.
To me, they don't seem to be like piles, they work with currently open windows.
So, for example, and I reckon this would be *very* cool, you pick something up in the Finder, say in your Home folder. But your current folder obscures your destination folder: you drag the file to the corner of the screen, then drop the file into the destination folder, which is now viewable, and upon completion, it all snaps back. Bam!
That is, provided it works with drag and drop.
Eh?
What I meant was that Quicktime 6.4 still needs to be released. WHY would they skip a .x release.
We all know that QT .x releases come out every............6 to 8 weeks or so. Therefore, 6.4 might come out next month maybe, then Panter will be released in August/September with QT 6.5. Remeber folks, attendees are getting a preview version of Panther. So....we all gotta wait
Maybe Expose is like a souped-up verion of those collapseable windows we had in OS9. Seems like they took some OS9 features and improved on them in Panther.
As for the Finder window and the "toolbar" being on the left side, wouldn't it be nice to show file and folder info in there (like Windoze) instead of having to press Command + I each time?
Re: yea they're real
yeah, i was pretty sure these were real. its just that in about every rumor we have people saying fake and people saying real, but here we have none of that.
im pretty sure these are real too, i was just wondering if we have any confirmation.
yeah, i was pretty sure these were real. its just that in about every rumor we have people saying fake and people saying real, but here we have none of that.
im pretty sure these are real too, i was just wondering if we have any confirmation.
I hope that my ol' 867QS 1.5G RAM can keep up with the new OS. I mean, I won't even think about a hardware up grade until they are 3 times as fast or 3 times the processor power as my current old beast. I will definatly let some others go first before upgrading or doing a clean wipe and install of panther. It looks really cool. Anyone know where piles might have gone?
Goe
Goe
Re: This is fake
First, I'm really really really pissed off because I wrote this whole message and then accidentally deleted it. Seems you can't control-Z in these input boxes.
Second, I think these shots are fake, too. I hope they are for some of the reasons outlined below. I'll be going into a lot less detail in light of the fact that I'm having to type it all again. I did do an Observation/Conclusion thing, but this time I'll just make the observations and you can make your own conclusions.
I have only skimmed the thread, so apologies if these points have been brought up. Just seemed like everyone was "WOOHOO"ing without really looking closely. And similarity to other posts is just coincidence.
OBSERVATION: In the Activity Monitor window there are strange inconsistencies.
* First there are really tacky colours. Windows type tacky colour, not beautiful Apple colours.
* Second, the "% Nice" uses a , to seperate the decimals, not a . like the rest of the %'s. This smacks to me of a slip-up by someone European making the fakes.
* Third, the "Threads" and "Processes" don't line up right. Unless this is a very early build, it's very sloppy.
OBSERVATION: Yahoo Instant messenger is in the dock and on the desktop. If this is Panther, that presumably means no Yahoo support in iChat.
OBSERVATION: In the full screen of the expose desktop, Safari is all blocked out. Why? What incriminating website could he/she be looking at?
OBSERVATION: Why are the iChat windows censored totally? Why not just block them out like the Safari window?
OBSERVATION: About Finder is all wrong. "The Macintosh Desktop Experience"? And why "Finder version 10.3" rather than "Mac OS X (10.3)" like we'd expect? These aren't big things, obviously, but still...
OBSERVATION: No build number. Seems strange, since they'll most likely be giving out preview copies on Monday, and developers will want to know what build they're working with. If it's the final release, how did slip-ups like above creep in?
OBSERVATION: In the iChat window, it says "There is no camera attached to this computer." Yet the progress bar seems to be showing activity of some sort?
OBSERVATION: The Finder window named Xdrive is metal, but not entirely consistently. The metal has a bar down the right, next to the scroll bar, unlike Safari. This on its own is nothing that important, but the grow icon thing in the bottom right seems misplaced.
OBSERVATION: In the Mail screenshot, the "Working Offline" seems all wrong. Especially the "o" in working.
It just seems all wrong to me. I'm bound to end up with egg on my face, but I thought these items needed discussion.
- Jimmni
First, I'm really really really pissed off because I wrote this whole message and then accidentally deleted it. Seems you can't control-Z in these input boxes.
Second, I think these shots are fake, too. I hope they are for some of the reasons outlined below. I'll be going into a lot less detail in light of the fact that I'm having to type it all again. I did do an Observation/Conclusion thing, but this time I'll just make the observations and you can make your own conclusions.
I have only skimmed the thread, so apologies if these points have been brought up. Just seemed like everyone was "WOOHOO"ing without really looking closely. And similarity to other posts is just coincidence.
OBSERVATION: In the Activity Monitor window there are strange inconsistencies.
* First there are really tacky colours. Windows type tacky colour, not beautiful Apple colours.
* Second, the "% Nice" uses a , to seperate the decimals, not a . like the rest of the %'s. This smacks to me of a slip-up by someone European making the fakes.
* Third, the "Threads" and "Processes" don't line up right. Unless this is a very early build, it's very sloppy.
OBSERVATION: Yahoo Instant messenger is in the dock and on the desktop. If this is Panther, that presumably means no Yahoo support in iChat.
OBSERVATION: In the full screen of the expose desktop, Safari is all blocked out. Why? What incriminating website could he/she be looking at?
OBSERVATION: Why are the iChat windows censored totally? Why not just block them out like the Safari window?
OBSERVATION: About Finder is all wrong. "The Macintosh Desktop Experience"? And why "Finder version 10.3" rather than "Mac OS X (10.3)" like we'd expect? These aren't big things, obviously, but still...
OBSERVATION: No build number. Seems strange, since they'll most likely be giving out preview copies on Monday, and developers will want to know what build they're working with. If it's the final release, how did slip-ups like above creep in?
OBSERVATION: In the iChat window, it says "There is no camera attached to this computer." Yet the progress bar seems to be showing activity of some sort?
OBSERVATION: The Finder window named Xdrive is metal, but not entirely consistently. The metal has a bar down the right, next to the scroll bar, unlike Safari. This on its own is nothing that important, but the grow icon thing in the bottom right seems misplaced.
OBSERVATION: In the Mail screenshot, the "Working Offline" seems all wrong. Especially the "o" in working.
It just seems all wrong to me. I'm bound to end up with egg on my face, but I thought these items needed discussion.
- Jimmni
What?!?!?!?!???
Version numbering on software usually goes like this... x.0 for a grand release. x.0.1 for bug fixes, x.1 for a minor update and x.5 for a big update, but that don't justify a x.0 release.
Apple went from Mac OS 8.1 to 8.5, but they didn't «skip» three x.1 updates. There is no need for Apple to release QT 6.4 before version 6.5. The 6.5 version number indicates a big update to the software. Version 6.4 would indicate a minor update.
To get back on topic...:
I surely do not hope the Finder is going to look anywhere like what's in the posted screenshot in the final version of Panther.
Re: Re: Long overdue UI feature returns
You are right it is unfair to judge the OS on 12 screenshots, I never did judge the OS. I am judging the screenshots, and I judge they are FAKE.
You are correct, 10.3 has a major performance boost, and actually, I know why
Now, as for under the hood... well, people, ordinary users, don't care much for under-the-hood when they buy a new version, they have to see physical improvements... things they can take advantage of. And up to jaguar there has been a lot of both under-the-hood and over-the-hood improvements. I really believe that panther should have the most new features yet (when compared to previous releases of os x).
Those screenshots look like a user-hacked Jaguar.
You are right it is unfair to judge the OS on 12 screenshots, I never did judge the OS. I am judging the screenshots, and I judge they are FAKE.
You are correct, 10.3 has a major performance boost, and actually, I know why
Now, as for under the hood... well, people, ordinary users, don't care much for under-the-hood when they buy a new version, they have to see physical improvements... things they can take advantage of. And up to jaguar there has been a lot of both under-the-hood and over-the-hood improvements. I really believe that panther should have the most new features yet (when compared to previous releases of os x).
Those screenshots look like a user-hacked Jaguar.
panther...apple store leak...coincidence...i think not?
i dont know if any of you guys noticed (or maybe i am just wrong) but the new toned down interface of aqua was also "previewed" slightly when the powermac specs were leaked. after the apple store went down the first time (it went down then came back up then went down again), if you looked at the menu bar on the top of the website it had this same toned down aqua appearance. now MAYBE i could be wrong, but i would be willing to bet quite a bit that after monday or sometime in the very near future the apple website will take on this new aqua interface. im pretty sure they already have it ready because i could bet my paycheck that the menu bar on the "sorry we are updating the apple store. please come back in an hour" page had the panther version on the menu bar.
jm.
i dont know if any of you guys noticed (or maybe i am just wrong) but the new toned down interface of aqua was also "previewed" slightly when the powermac specs were leaked. after the apple store went down the first time (it went down then came back up then went down again), if you looked at the menu bar on the top of the website it had this same toned down aqua appearance. now MAYBE i could be wrong, but i would be willing to bet quite a bit that after monday or sometime in the very near future the apple website will take on this new aqua interface. im pretty sure they already have it ready because i could bet my paycheck that the menu bar on the "sorry we are updating the apple store. please come back in an hour" page had the panther version on the menu bar.
jm.
It is 'covering up' parts that the person did not want to show.
More proof that its fake. Can't even show any part of the iChat window? come on!
And the dock hasn't changed one bit, wee.
And the system clock is 'mosaic-ed' ? But the iCal icon shows the date, wee.
Originally posted by AppleMatt
Something I noticed...there's no "Open with >" on the contextual menu, I use that all the time
Probably taken from a folder contexual menu, to show the "folder actions" additions. Folders don't show the "Open with..." option.
(tig)
[edit] mod -1 redundant [/edit]
Re: Re: This is fake
You know, the more I look at these particular points, the more I think you may have a case here. Desktop Experience? Sounds kinda XP-y for Apple to actually use... and the process manager observations are spot-on. I'm torn, because Exposé sounds so cool, but there are strangeness with these shots - not least of which is the fact that people don't appear to have been C&Ded yet
You know, the more I look at these particular points, the more I think you may have a case here. Desktop Experience? Sounds kinda XP-y for Apple to actually use... and the process manager observations are spot-on. I'm torn, because Exposé sounds so cool, but there are strangeness with these shots - not least of which is the fact that people don't appear to have been C&Ded yet
the more i look at those shots the more i think something is fishy
the big desktop capture... all the perspective is completly off.. the windows are way to small for that desktop look at the top menus..
and all those inconsistencies in the window title bar. one is smooth other striped other metal... i don't see this happening even in a beta. I also think if they got rid of the stripes on the title bar they would get rid of them on the windows them selves
just seems way to sloppy
starting to thing these are fakes
edit: what is that red blotch on the iTunes window in the big desktop capture?
the big desktop capture... all the perspective is completly off.. the windows are way to small for that desktop look at the top menus..
and all those inconsistencies in the window title bar. one is smooth other striped other metal... i don't see this happening even in a beta. I also think if they got rid of the stripes on the title bar they would get rid of them on the windows them selves
just seems way to sloppy
starting to thing these are fakes
edit: what is that red blotch on the iTunes window in the big desktop capture?
