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Papermaster's Departure Linked to 'Cultural Incompatibility' Rather Than Antenna Issues

I thought "cultural incompatibility" refers to people who could not communicate properly with the others; Damn apple; no wonder its uniqueness has place a lot of barriers and challenges for its employees to face to embrace us. :p:p

Honestly I never saw any person who could not merge in work culture in his first 3 months. But this guy completed one and half year and had left the company because of "cultural incompatibility" :confused: ; But won't his resignation at this time would affect his career; since he may blamed for iphone antenna issue?
 
iLeoMarc said:
Mark Papermaster is on twitter and is taking jabs at Apple.

Here are quotes from his twitter account:
"Do you know why the NYTimes didn't get a comment from me? They called my iPhone 4."
"Glad I "ruined" that old fart's Hawaiian vacation."
"When does this Droid 2 come out?"
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Er, the Twitter account is fake.

Deleting your original post doesn't hide your gullibility.
 
again, working for Apple sounds pretty horrible these days. Everyone is a freak'n micromanager (according to these statements)... Despite it's creative drive which I admire and think is important in the workplace, I've worked in environments like the one described and it was hell...

again, this is me speculating w/ out real first-hand knowledge or understanding of the Apple corporate culture.:D

it just sounds like it SUCKS for people in that department.
 
kockgunner said:
How come the antenna sucks so much after rigorous testing for 2 years?
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Because with that "sucky" antenna on my i4, I can make phone calls in locations where my 3GS won't even get a signal at all. The testing probably found that benefit, and weighted that fact too heavily against all the alternate trade-offs.
 
cvaldes said:
Er, the Twitter account is fake.

Deleting your original post doesn't hide your gullibility.
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yeah fooled by twitter. Now I know how the Daily Mail feels when they posted fake Steve Jobs twitter account as real...
 
Arisian said:
again, working for Apple sounds pretty horrible these days. Everyone is a freak'n micromanager (according to these statements)... Despite it's creative drive which I admire and think is important in the workplace, I've worked in environments like the one described and it was hell...

again, this is me speculating w/ out real first-hand knowledge or understanding of the Apple corporate culture.:D

it just sounds like it SUCKS for people in that department.
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i think it is no different from bigger corporations ...

it is sad those guys have to work hard to make us (customers) happy ...

i worked as contractor in one of the biggest CPU manufacturer, life was tough! then again all the technology companies it depends what kinda of project you are in ( to make it easier or tougher)
 
It has been shown with DATA the antenna issue is overblown and diminimus.

I find it not surprising at all Papermaster was culturally incompatible with Apple. Usually a guy who has had a long career with a big company and gets a better offer from another company gets a bit of an easy gig on "big picture stuff". That is not Apple.

As I said in a post to the first thread it will be interesting to see who hires him. IBM claimed in a lawsuit he was invaluable to them. Maybe they will hire him back and gently spank him at the same time.

I for one hope so.

Rocketman
 
Minimoose 360 said:
What does that EVEN MEAN?!
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In short, I think it went this way.

1) This guy had some of the mysterious "IBM way" that Steve wanted to know about.

2) Steve pulled the guy into the Cupertino Inner Circle (hope he liked sushi) for a while to see if he had any magic spells that wasn't in Steve's spell book.

3) Steve learned a few things and found one more man behind the curtain in corporate America to not be concerned about.

4) It was good for about a year and he let this guy float 'til the iPhone 4 launch with all the rewards for playing volleyball up in Woodside and eating sushi.

5) Steve looks hard at this guy and sees there is nothing more. He is a bit too "straight laced" to wear all six colors of Apple.

6) This guy is not only handed a golden parachute for his departure but also a golden fleece taking blame for all the iPhone 4 shortcomings.

7) One final sushi and sake with Steve and a he is out of there.

8) Everyone loves and learns, the iPhone 5 is just started on the drawing boards.

The beat continues in Cupertino.
 
kockgunner said:
How come the antenna sucks so much after rigorous testing for 2 years?
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My bet is: It just "sucks within acceptable parameters", NOT "so much".

A few people might be very affected, but the majority are not so I guess overall that's just "good enough". Perfectionist and Perfect are 2 different things.
 
Will apple solve antenna issue for international iphone4 shipment? Or they may keep sending their defective phones overseas to gain more and more angry customers??
 
shanmugam said:
i think it is no different from bigger corporations ...

it is sad those guys have to work hard to make us (customers) happy ...

i worked as contractor in one of the biggest CPU manufacturer, life was tough! then again all the technology companies it depends what kinda of project you are in ( to make it easier or tougher)
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I've worked for and with three of the biggest companies in the WORLD.

One of them, Wal Mart, had this same corporate culture (minus the creativity) and the turnover was amazing. Like you hinted at, it's not necessarily the corporate OR that corporations culture, it's more of the department and if the boss is medling in it - ie, the iphone department and Jobs... I'd freak'n quit too... having your boss there all the time trying to manage things they know nothing about sucks and it makes for products that have issues and it totally undermines trust... I think you can blame Jobs himself quite significantly for these antennae issues... not entirely, but when a boss demands something their is little room for anyone to say "But it will suck that way!"

Can't blame the engineers in my opinion - they are looking to keep their jobs, right?

shanmugam said:
it depends what kinda of project you are in ( to make it easier or tougher)
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This is spot on. I've work the same job right next to peers who's life sucked while mine was great - it's all about the project. Id add to that... the project and your boss.

The more I read about Apple and Jobs I'm startled at how much of an ass he seems to be. Genius or not, he's not doing his job well if he's micromanaging. Managers should manage... and a CEO shouldn't be BLINDLY demanding design specs (the white iPhone design specs are ridiculous)... (note, this is entirely opinion... not fact... thus if you disagree lets keep it cordial since I'm not drawing a line in the mud :)).

Anyways, thanks for your comments.
Brian
 
harmelion said:
Anybody remember that scene from "Pirates of Silicon Valley"?
:D
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Yes, that was quite funny. Are you referring to the one where an interview is going on with an executive and Jobs walks in, puts his feet on the desk, and says "How often do you get laid?"
 
Gee Ya Think?

I have worked with IBM several times and most IBMers are corporate zombies. IBM is the very antithesis of Apple...remember that famous Mac ad from the early 80's? Remember who Apple was attacking as "big brother"?

Yea...a real shock about "Paperpusher".....
 
iWolf00 said:
Will apple solve antenna issue for international iphone4 shipment? Or they may keep sending their defective phones overseas to gain more and more angry customers??
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OR they might have started applying coating inside the iPhone 4 - just a speculation
 
CFreymarc said:
8) Everyone loves and learns, the iPhone 5 is just started on the drawing boards.
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If the rumored i4 antenna testing schedule is any indication, the i5 was on the drawing boards last year, and is already in early developmental testing by now and in time to get enough test runs done before a volume production ramp next spring.
 
Arisian said:
The more I read about Apple and Jobs I'm startled at how much of an ass he seems to be. Genius or not, he's not doing his job well if he's micromanaging. Managers should manage... and a CEO shouldn't be BLINDLY demanding design specs (the white iPhone design specs are ridiculous)... (note, this is entirely opinion... not fact... thus if you disagree lets keep it cordial since I'm not drawing a line in the mud :)).
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I don't know. Jobs seems to be doing well, and he's reportedly been micro managing his entire career. I would find it surprising if he didn't require the same style of management from his lieutenants.

I would quit in a week but I guess some people don't mind. As you say, it is all speculation but if you don't like micro managing or being micro managed, odds are that you're not Apple material.
 
Arisian said:
The more I read about Apple and Jobs I'm startled at how much of an ass he seems to be. Genius or not, he's not doing his job well if he's micromanaging. Managers should manage... and a CEO shouldn't be BLINDLY demanding design specs
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this *might* be the reason he asked to leave or he left on his own...

so far this way worked for APPLE, let us see how long this micro managing will work...
 
shanmugam said:
OR they might have started applying coating inside the iPhone 4 - just a speculation
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Hopefully, this can solve the issue, because people may not accept i4 anymore and spoil its reputation, if this problem resist. Similar case can be apply with Win mobile; nobody is buying it because of its poor reputation in our region.
 
macsmurf said:
I don't know. Jobs seems to be doing well, and he's reportedly been micro managing his entire career. I would find it surprising if he didn't require the same style of management from his lieutenants.

I would quit in a week but I guess some people don't mind. As you say, it is all speculation but if you don't like micro managing or being micro managed, odds are that you're not Apple material.
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I'd last a week as well. hah! :) It's such a double edged sword since if the company is doing well... the CEO is automatically doing well even though we've seen CEO's get fired for things completely out of their control or Acts of Nature.

I agree, people usually know what they are getting into w/ a company before that sign the contract. Im just suggesting that someone who already was a micromanager becoming a hyper micromanager (ie, dedicating himself to a project like the iphone4) can really suck. I'm not sure Steve is a great manager... even if he's an excellent CEO. A manager is a good people person and it seems like Steve kinda isn't... A good manager knows if a person hates to be micromanaged and tries to back off... at least the good managers I've had did that. I think it's difficult for a CEO to re-become a good manager (since most were good managers at one point).

I don't know man, Im just spewing opinion now. Hope some of it made sense.

B
 
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