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Funny story, so Windows 10 on Arm uses the same activation scheme as x86 Windows. So, you can activate it with damn near any Windows Pro key.. I used an old 7 OEM key off a dead PC, but I suspect you could use a 7/8/8.1/10 x86 key too.
 
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What good is this, it only runs Linux arm which I think still needs to have an ARM version of all the apps.

I would love a full windows on m1 but maybe it’s just not possible. Arm windows does me no good.

I am speculating in the future Microsoft will push for ARM for their Surface line especially that they actually do have an ARM version. If they do that, and if what developers say is true that all you need is to press a button to recompile for ARM app, then the apps will be coming. In the future I think we will maybe see 2 versions of each app based on processor...maybe...

People like to **** on the M1.. but I'm frankly impressed that a Beta version of Parallels running an insider preview of Windows can play x86 games faster than my 2017 Macbook Pro running Windows via Bootcamp.

Wait. Are you saying Parallels on M1, can run ARM Windows, which has an x86 emulator, that can play games faster than via bootcamp? What kind of games are we talking here?
 
What good is this, it only runs Linux arm which I think still needs to have an ARM version of all the apps.



I am speculating in the future Microsoft will push for ARM for their Surface line especially that they actually do have an ARM version. If they do that, and if what developers say is true that all you need is to press a button to recompile for ARM app, then the apps will be coming. In the future I think we will maybe see 2 versions of each app based on processor...maybe...



Wait. Are you saying Parallels on M1, can run ARM Windows, which has an x86 emulator, that can play games faster than via bootcamp? What kind of games are we talking here?
I ran fallout 3 @ 1080p ultra without any issues. Older game, yes. But the old HD 630 intel didn't run it at all. I've seen some Youtube videos of guys running GTA 5 - again, lower settings.. but the fact it even runs is sorcery.
 
What good is this, it only runs Linux arm which I think still needs to have an ARM version of all the apps.



I am speculating in the future Microsoft will push for ARM for their Surface line especially that they actually do have an ARM version. If they do that, and if what developers say is true that all you need is to press a button to recompile for ARM app, then the apps will be coming. In the future I think we will maybe see 2 versions of each app based on processor...maybe...



Wait. Are you saying Parallels on M1, can run ARM Windows, which has an x86 emulator, that can play games faster than via bootcamp? What kind of games are we talking here?
Watch this
 
Nobody from the automation industry uses Apple (if not running virtual machine with Windows). Don't get me wrong I love Apple hardware, but I hate the fact that in order to buy Apple M1 I still have to carry another PC with me.
I understand that there will be specific industries that use specialized software that isn't supported on MacOS or Apple Silicon.

I would guess that this is most common in Engineering/manufacturing, scientific research / academia, healthcare & maybe finance. I'm sure there are other sectors that have well-established Windows/Linux-only applications that are unlikely to be supported on MacOS.

What I don't know is how many of these users there are compared to the entire computer-using population. Even if we narrow it down to people who use computers for work, I would expect that a minority use software that is Wintel-only.

If anyone has any actual data, I'd be very interested to see it!

I've worked with customers across lots of industry sectors: financial services, government, utilities, telecommunications, construction, airlines, education, and what I can say is that there is a strong move towards web-based applications for enterprise software running in data-center servers or via cloud providers. Most of the big enterprise suites for things lik human capital management (HR, payroll, time management, e.g. Xero), financial management (e.g. Oracle Financials), customer relationship management (SalesForce.com), ERP (SAP, Oracle), and so forth, all offer web interfaces to their software, and are deprecating desktop apps.

As IT infrastructure migrates to the cloud, the client machines used to manage it are less relevant. All you need is a web-browser and maybe some terminal tools.

Of course, I can only speak to my personal experience and knowledge, but I see the choice of client OS as becoming far less relevant than it once was.

Maybe an emulated x86 app running on WoA will be sufficient for those cases where people still need Wintel software?

I'd be happy to hear your opinions and experience in the workplace!
 
Maybe an emulated x86 app running on WoA will be sufficient for those cases where people still need Wintel software?
Yes sure. Emulation or virtual machine it does not really matter as long as you can run proprietary x86/x64 windows Apps.
 
In a few years, I'll just be traveling with two laptops due to this ARM switch. It isn't just Windows for me but Intel based applications on Linux. Parallels is dead on arrival for me with M1.
Which applications do you run on Linux? Do you have source code that you could rebuild for arm64? If not, does the software vendor have plans for an ARM release?

I expect the blockers for Linux desktop apps might be drivers and GUI rather than the Linux kernel and OS extensions.
 
Boot camp and virtualisation was a blessing during the intel transition, but I feel like the world is a different place now. Windows is just for games, specialist proprietary software, and companies too cheap to buy their employees nice tools
 
If I have signed up for the technical preview on the M1 MacBook Pro how do I buy a license once the technical trial ends? And is it Parallels desktop 16 that I purchase for the M1 Mac?
 
If I have signed up for the technical preview on the M1 MacBook Pro how do I buy a license once the technical trial ends? And is it Parallels desktop 16 that I purchase for the M1 Mac?
Do you already own a license for Parallels 15 or 16? I do the yearly thing and will just continue to sign in with my Email. But I don't think Licensing is changing in any way.
 
worthless. APPLE gated community only on APPLE silicon

Thats why I'm sticking with Intel.

So your Video encodes 2 minutes faster on ARM.

BIG DEAL. Backwards compatibility and choices RULE.
You will be the only one. Clueless. ARM is the future. Microsoft is dumping Intel too.
 
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How's x86/w32 support progressing in parallels, that's the only/best way to use it on M1 Macs now -right?

If one gets the highest spec M1 Mini, can one get away with doing quite demanding stuff in W10oA+emulator?

macOS is my primary env, but I need to be working in W10 (dev) just as much, for the next few years.
And if a M1 Mini is plenty powerful for both, then I can forget about a dedicated W10 machine in 2021.
 
How's x86/w32 support progressing in parallels, that's the only/best way to use it on M1 Macs now -right?

If one gets the highest spec M1 Mini, can one get away with doing quite demanding stuff in W10oA+emulator?

macOS is my primary env, but I need to be working in W10 (dev) just as much, for the next few years.
And if a M1 Mini is plenty powerful for both, then I can forget about a dedicated W10 machine in 2021.
I don't think we have any evidence that Parallels is working on adding an x86 emulator to their Apple Silcon hypervisor, do we?

They may just be relying on Windows-on-ARM emulation of x86 apps...but it would be good to know if this is the case.
 
I don't think we have any evidence that Parallels is working on adding an x86 emulator to their Apple Silcon hypervisor, do we?

Indeed.

(I also haven't seen a compelling argument that it would be worth it for them.)

They may just be relying on Windows-on-ARM emulation of x86 apps...but it would be good to know if this is the case.

Exactly. Which means the entire OS itself doesn't have to be emulated, nor does the underlying hardware.
 
I don't think we have any evidence that Parallels is working on adding an x86 emulator to their Apple Silcon hypervisor, do we?

I wasn't suggesting they are...
I was asking about how it's all progressing, using the combo's we're currently aware of;
In the context of; folks with my (or very similar) usage patterns/requirements?

Maybe there's a resource where this is analysed/analysed in much greater detail.
 
I wonder if Parallels has made any changes specific to Windows 10 for ARM64. My guess is not, seeing as it's not an officially supported guest OS for Apple Silicon just yet.



No. VirtualPC, as far as the Mac is concerned, ran virtual machines that EMULATED x86 on PowerPC. In that case, there was an actual architecture emulation happening.

The Apple Silicon version of Parallels, like the Intel version of Parallels, isn't emulating. It's using the same architecture as the host OS.
Their 3D driver is nothing short of black magic. Being able to run games at a better playable framerate than x86 Parallels is stunning.
 
I wasn't suggesting they are...
I was asking about how it's all progressing, using the combo's we're currently aware of;
In the context of; folks with my (or very similar) usage patterns/requirements?
Maybe there's a resource where this is analysed/analysed in much greater detail.
Anyone? Please see my original post. Thanks again.
 
Anyone? Please see my original post. Thanks again.
This is probably a hard question to answer unless you have access to Parallels' engineering team. They seem to be quite tight-lipped about progress. Time will tell!
 
Not really, I'm asking active users FFS. Ones with similar patterns/requirements to what I outlined.
 
Anyone? Please see my original post. Thanks again.

People can’t really answer this for you; it’s too broad and comes with too many caveats.

You should probably wait a biannual release or two for Windows’s x86 emulator to become more stable.
 
I'm curious if Parallels could somehow negotiate with Microsoft themselves to be an OEM, and sell Windows ARM themselves and install automatically thru the interface, without having to get it externally.

It would be even cooler if Microsoft could just create a "package" that would do it all itself.

You'd buy it from Microsoft so they'd get some money... and you just have an icon to open a self-contained virtualized version of Windows on ARM.

It would be like an app... but it's a full install of Windows!

I'd much rather get that directly from Microsoft rather than installing Parallels and then installing Windows inside it.
 
It would be even cooler if Microsoft could just create a "package" that would do it all itself.

You'd buy it from Microsoft so they'd get some money... and you just have an icon to open a self-contained virtualized version of Windows on ARM.

It would be like an app... but it's a full install of Windows!

I'd much rather get that directly from Microsoft rather than installing Parallels and then installing Windows inside it.

Honestly, installing Windows through VMware or Parallels was never particularly difficult. You basically just drag the Windows ISO on the app.

It’s when it gets to customization/performance tweaks (how much RAM should I allocate?, etc.) that things get hairy, and I’m not sure there’s much that can be done on that front.

I always wished there’d be some kind of automation for it, though. Pick a setting, boot into Windows, run a few benchmarks, shut down, pick another setting, etc.
 
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People can’t really answer this for you; it’s too broad and comes with too many caveats.

You should probably wait a biannual release or two for Windows’s x86 emulator to become more stable.
All good, I should've posted in the relevant Windows Insider & Parallels communities from the outset instead of burning time here, I'll definitely get the answers I seek from foks there, they'll ofc be approximations, unwatching thread.
 
All good, I should've posted in the relevant Windows Insider & Parallels communities from the outset instead of burning time here, I'll definitely get the answers I seek from foks there, they'll ofc be approximations, unwatching thread.

lol, ok

Nothing will satisfy such a vague question.
 
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