What if I LIKE in app purchases? What happened to what the end user wants?
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It’s more than just convenience though - it’s security. A world where I have to manually enter cc info into dozens of separate accounts is horrible from a convenience standpoint, yes. But people also seem to be forgetting the SECURITY benefits of using Apple Pay and in app purchasing through an Apple account. Every new account I open up and add cc info to is a new opportunity for hacks and that info being stolen.
No thanks. I’m the end user. I care about MY INFORMATION being safe if I’m throwing money at something. I’m fine with apps giving the option to use other methods, but if Apple’s own system is taken away as an option, does the end user actually win? I don’t think so.
Wouldn't people just go to the direct website to get the app? Eg, sideload? That is what I meant.
Oh, I absolutely would. If I had a choice, I'd never install an app from Apple's idiotic app store again. I'd even go so far as deleting apps installed from it and re-downloading directly from developer websites. I don't like the word "sideload" because it makes normal software installation sound shady, when it's actually the way we always did things before Apple's rent-seeking broke people's brains.
The 30% hits the creators on Patreon, not the app itself.
It was an unnecessary burden on them, especially since it was only implemented last year
I would never sideload an app on my phone, and I'm a developer. And almost no one does it on Android now.
You are so clueless on how successful the App Store has been for development and developers. Smartphones of today would not be where they are if we had to search the web for apps to install on our phones.
I don't follow this issue much. I'm happy with the app store. But I wonder, if all developers chose to provide their own payment systems, would that deprive the app store of all revenue, or are there other revenue sources from apps? For example, if an app costs $9.99 and there are in-app purchases that skirt the app store, will Apple continue to get 30% of the basic app cost? Maybe Apple can somehow sweeten the pot for developers who chose to keep their payments in the app store. In any case, this ruling will apparently have a HUGE impact on Services revenue.
I see a cottage industry of companies that provide payment services to developers, charging far less than 30%. (Edit - just read the article on Epic's Webshop.)
I see a cottage industry of companies that provide payment services to developers, charging far less than 30%. (Edit - just read the article on Epic's Webshop.)
I use PayPal... You put info once and it's forever...
Not true... I use fdroid for example... Or I know people downloading apk
For all the flack PayPal gets, I've actually found it remarkably helpful and reliable, and with great support, for decades now.
It's amazing how many random websites support it also.
I end up "paying with PayPal" a ton -- probably 10 times per month at least.
Also, the few times I've had any issues with a subscription or shipment issues over the years, their support quickly took care of it and they've always sided with me, and quickly. As a customer, I really appreciate that.
Even if the price would increase by 30% on a$$le shop?
Raise your price by 30% then. Easy enough.
I have no Apple stock. A company shouldn't be forced to help a customer sell outside of their own store. It's stupid as hell, that's all.
Yeah, because it's Apple wanting something for nothing.
A company shouldn't force developers to pay 30% of their revenue for apps purchased and paid for outside the App Store.
That's right. In fact, their rate is lower than Apple's - 8% or 12% depending what features the creator wants, plus card fees and exchange rate fees.
Gruber provides updates on App Review Guidelines following the injunction:
"This does not mean apps can now use alternative payment processing in-app. It doesn’t even mean apps are no longer required to offer Apple’s IAP in-app for purchases and subscriptions. All it means is that apps (in the US for now, but Apple really ought to make this worldwide, but I suspect Tim Cook wants to fight this on appeal in federal court) are free to inform users about offers available on the web, and to link to those offers on the web. Those links must open outside the app, in the user’s default web browser.
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"This does not mean apps can now use alternative payment processing in-app. It doesn’t even mean apps are no longer required to offer Apple’s IAP in-app for purchases and subscriptions. All it means is that apps (in the US for now, but Apple really ought to make this worldwide, but I suspect Tim Cook wants to fight this on appeal in federal court) are free to inform users about offers available on the web, and to link to those offers on the web. Those links must open outside the app, in the user’s default web browser.
- In-app: must use IAP. No alternative payments in-app. No webviews in-app for purchases.
- Link to web, in default web browser, for anything else. But the same offerings — but not at the same prices — must be available in-app too.
Apple Updates U.S. App Review Guidelines Following Injunction
Link to: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/01/apple-updates-u-s-app-review-guidelines-epic/
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Maybe it’s just because I’m an old 26 year old who uses computers more than phones for purchases and content consumption but I had no idea this was such a big deal to people but I guess with the anti-computer crowd growing it makes sense to fight it. I’ve always just subbed to things on a computer/in a browser where my payments are already stored/setup rather than in-app and then signed in to the app to access it.
On page 5 and still dont even know what Patreon is....
Scared to google it from my work computer.
Scared to google it from my work computer.
It’s nothing nefarious! It’s actually a pretty great platform for creators lol
Apple still gets a cut of the purchase price from that App being sold on the App Store. They also get a cut of the in app purchases (IAP).
I think so.
Maybe for IAP. They have no reason to lower the cut on the app purchase itself. They need to head off developers who tries to skirt the 30% by making a rule that any app that offers DLC or feature unlocking cannot be free on the App Store. No free demo app that can be unlock into a full featured via code. The price of such an app on the appstore should be the same as the unlock code to be fair to Apple.
The developer can avoid IAP by directing customers to their website where they can purchase add-ons or download content or unlock features. If the App connects to a server, like Spotify, the customer's account on the server would be updated. For Apps that doesn't require a network connection to function, you probably have to enter a code purchase from the website.
that, or they did not have another option to choose from