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I think Apple just doesn't want to deal with the 8 million Rolex/IWC/Tag/etc. knock-off watch faces that would show up in the App Store. My Pebble watch face looked nothing like that. I took elements from my old Casio 80's watches plus some other features I wanted.

That and I think they like gating new watch faces behind new releases and/or partnerships with companies.
 
I do not want Apple to “open their ecosystem”. Apple’s largest competitors (Google and Samsung) offer an alternative model that includes an open ecosystem. I prefer Apple’s model which is why I do not have a Pixel.

I don't see how adding an API would change anything for you. Don't want to leave Apple's zone - great, don't. Build the door for the people that want to go outside and the ones that don't can leave it closed.
 
I'm amazed that still isn't possible.

It would be stunningly popular.
It would be *popular* … but this would mean that
This is where I really miss the Jobs era of Apple, where products actually were differentiated. The Apple Watch lineup should have a band version, the watch, maybe the ultra and maybe one with eink…a variety of choices much like the old iPod lineup….not just cheaper versions of the same product.

I don't get what's up with Apple anymore on the AW.

Garmin's Venu X1, also with an OLED screen, is basically the same size as the 46mm S10

But the X1 is thinner and lighter and has a battery life up to 8 days.
Is it possible there’s some regulatory/risk reason Apple prefers you to take it off daily?

Agree there’s no technical reason why Apple Watch shouldn’t have parity, at minimum.
 
It lasts 1/3 of a day. Incredible!

It is 5 year old technology, with a less than healthy battery.

How many actually useful things is it doing in the background? And how many of these things are the reason that the battery life is just 1/3 of a day for your Series 5?

The reason it is 8 hours is the Always-on-Display. As he noted, with the AoD off, it lasts 14 hours, more than half a day (for a five year old watch).

There are smart rings that do much of what the Apple watch does and they last something like 7 days with a fraction of the battery.

Sorry, they do not do “much of what the Apple Watch does”, as the do not have displays nor WiFi. They do some activity and health monitoring, but cannot show me what is happening right now, nor can they display notifications or anything else. Some people like them and it is great they exist for them.

I'm arguing that Apple faces no real competition for smart watches because they don't allow anyone else to use the APIs they use for the Apple watch. And because of this, all smart watch users suffer, especially Apple watch users, as they (myself included!) have to live with whatever slop Apple wants to sell.

Sorry, there are many other smart watches sold that offer Apple quite a bit of competition.
 
I don't see how adding an API would change anything for you. Don't want to leave Apple's zone - great, don't. Build the door for the people that want to go outside and the ones that don't can leave it closed.

This is an all too common theme these days.

Too many people don't want something .. but then also want nobody else to have that thing, even if it won't impact them in any way at all if the other person has the thing.
 
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If you want an open ecosystem, you have several options, especially since you do not use an Apple Watch. Move to Android and stop trying to make Apple’s ecosystem into Android.

Apple can be Apple and still be open. Do you also think that Apple is making macOS like Windows because they allow you to install whatever you want? Probably not. The iOS platform (and iPad) is not a special snowflake, despite Apple pretending that it is.

I DO want Apple to open it up and will continue asking for it. I don't want to use Android, I want to use a more open iOS ecosystem. Stop telling me to go elsewhere; I will not. Simple.
 
I thought my AW was cool. That was until my daughter advised me to look around next time in city and notice it’s mainly old men wearing sneakers who have them.
That's not even remotely true. If you look at the demographic data on Apple Watch ownership you'll see:
  • Millennials (aged mid-20s to early 40s) represent the largest group of active Apple Watch users at about 25%.
  • Generation Z users (roughly under 25) are close behind, making up about 24% of the user base.
  • Generation X (ages approximately 40-55) accounts for around 15%.
  • Baby Boomers and older (age 55+) make up about 10% of Apple Watch users.
It's the most popular watch on the planet. Everyone has them but the numbers make it clear that it's no even remotely "mainly old men". It's mainly people under 40.
 
That's not even remotely true. If you look at the demographic data on Apple Watch ownership you'll see:
  • Millennials (aged mid-20s to early 40s) represent the largest group of active Apple Watch users at about 25%.
  • Generation Z users (roughly under 25) are close behind, making up about 24% of the user base.
  • Generation X (ages approximately 40-55) accounts for around 15%.
  • Baby Boomers and older (age 55+) make up about 10% of Apple Watch users.
It's the most popular watch on the planet. Everyone has them but the numbers make it clear that it's no even remotely "mainly old men". It's mainly people under 40.

The user was talking about it being "cool".

That's subjective. Obviously, there a ton of these out there ... there are loads of people in the world.

Just because they are being used doesn't mean people all think they look great or couldn't look or be a lot better.
Watches spend a lot of time under clothes or being used for fitness, etc.

tldr

Showing that a lot of people have bought AW and use them ≠ they think they are cool and/or cool/good looking.
 
When I got my first Apple Watch in 2015, I was sure that Apple would work quickly towards a week or a month of battery life. Ten years later, what do we have? "Great, all-day battery life." And practically the exact same appearance. The only reason to get a new Watch anymore is because your battery is toast.

Apple's restrictions on competing smartwatches leaves them free to keep releasing the same thing year after year. They don't have meaningful competition to worry about. As Apple customers you should be unhappy about that. Those of you who are also Apple shareholders... okay yeah, I get it.

The only reason I went with the Ultra Watch 2 was the longer battery life, my series 5 would barely last 1.5 days. Sometimes I can get this Ultra 2 to last 5 days under the same conditions.
 
I’d like to try an Apple Watch, but its short battery life (at most two days) holds me back.
That’s why I currently wear a Garmin watch.

I use mostly Apple products—MacBooks, iPads, iPhones—but the Apple Watch’s battery life is the sticking point for me.
I hope Apple will someday make a watch that lasts a full week on a single charge.
When that happens, I’ll finally switch from Garmin.
 
The walled garden that you seem to think so highly of is actually more like a baby pen that you willingly want to be inside of. At least you're not going to be able to lick an electrical outlet, but not everyone with an iPhone wants to be treated like a child.

Wow, you go off! Someone is very upset that other people make different choices.

You went directly from my comment, which is that I'm not going to carry this guy's water to help his business, to claiming I'm a fan of the "walled garden." You have no idea what I think about that topic. Remember that. All I said is that I'm not going to petition Apple to change their business model at this guy's request. Everything else in your comment is what you made up.
 
I thought my AW was cool. That was until my daughter advised me to look around next time in city and notice it’s mainly old men wearing sneakers who have them.
Huh?? First, that’s just untrue. I see many young women wearing AW and everyone in between.
Second, is your daughter actually saying that sneakers, which encompasses a huge breadth of footwear, probably the most common footwear at least in the US, as either a societal faux pas or a niche, neither of which is true? Does she think only men who wear dress shoes, boots, or flip flops are “cool”? I’d say either your daughter has an extremely peculiar point of view or there is some miscommunication.
 
This is what I never understand..
It's actually not in anyone's interest, as an Apple fan and customer, to have them be able to rest on their laurels to this degree.

The Apple Watch "updates" have become totally embarrassing.
They are basically just chip bumping it and doing nothing.
Look what happened to madden football when 2k couldn’t make football anymore. I agree 100%.
 
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I was an early adopter of Pebble watches back in the day.
I had a Pebble Steel, 2 x Pebble Times, a Pebble Time Steel and Pebble 2 (Kickstarter) and was awaiting a Pebble Time 2 in the Kickstarter when they folded.
My issue with them was always that you couldn't get the full suite of functionality with an iPhone.
When they went under, I got my first Apple Watch (series 0 SS) and have never looked back.
As much as I would love to see an always-on, 7-10 day battery watch with customisable watchfaces, I wouldn't trust old mate Eric with my money again.
 
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Look what happened to madden football when 2k couldn’t make football anymore. I agree 100%.

Yep - Same thing happened the NHL games, much to my chagrin.

I don't even play them anymore and still fire up my old PS3 for when I get an occasional itch for video game hockey.
 
The Apple Watch plays music, shows photos in Retina Quality, runs powerful apps and does so much more that dumb watches can’t do in any way.

I admit, this made me chuckle

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I think Apple just doesn't want to deal with the 8 million Rolex/IWC/Tag/etc. knock-off watch faces that would show up in the App Store. My Pebble watch face looked nothing like that. I took elements from my old Casio 80's watches plus some other features I wanted.
That's why there's an app review process. It's literally why Apple forces developers to pay for access to their ecosystem. The curated nature was the basis of their defense for the Epic suit. It should not be an excuse.
 
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