Verizon isn't the ONLY CDMA carrier on the planet. It would work on Sprint to as well as in many other countries with carriers that use CDMA. It appears that there are 480 million CDMA subscribers world wide.
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Verizon isn't the ONLY CDMA carrier on the planet. It would work on Sprint to as well as in many other countries with carriers that use CDMA. It appears that there are 480 million CDMA subscribers world wide.
Didn't ATT buy cingular? How many customers in that buy out? Heck, did cingular ok the iphone before the ATT deal? I have to look up the timeline for that.
ATT IS Cingular. It was a name change. They merged a while before the name change.
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I've heard others say that, and it's a good point. But here's the counterpoint - the same hardware has nowhere near the same level of problems in other countries. It's almost like it's not one or the other but the marriage of the two. I know that doesn't really make sense, but I don't know how else to explain other phones being fine on AT&T and the iPhone being fine on other networks.
tthere5 said:
Can't say I completely blame AT&T for this. I use 3 phones with them: a chepo nokia for work, my iPhone 3G and my wife's blackberry curve. The only one that consistently drops calls is the iPhone. I think Apple's getting a little bit of a free ride with everyone blaming the carrier. Look, don't get me wrong I love the iPhone, to me all the other features are worth the twice weekly dropped calls but isn't it at least plausible that the hardware is partially to blame. Anyway I'm replacing my hardware and my wife's curve with iPhone 4s- so here's hoping my dropped calls diminish.
I've heard others say that, and it's a good point. But here's the counterpoint - the same hardware has nowhere near the same level of problems in other countries. It's almost like it's not one or the other but the marriage of the two. I know that doesn't really make sense, but I don't know how else to explain other phones being fine on AT&T and the iPhone being fine on other networks.
I must disagree. I know a RF engineer who does testing and stuff on all the cell towers in New England. He says that CDMA is the best there is. And he is even using AT&T. Unless you're a genius that knows more stuff than a RF engineer.. I have to disagree with you.
You completely missed the point.
My point was that regardless of "what everyone says" Apple still stands to make a considerable profit by allowing their iPhone to operate on CDMA networks. Even if CDMA is not the newest best thing, it will still be around for years and customers will still have devices operating on it. Thus, Apple will make a profit - which regardless of PR and whatnot, is their chief goal.
I agree. As a Verizon customer, I'm obviously tired of waiting and even more tired of the stupid rumors. They are never right, nobody knows about Verizon iPhone, I'll believe it when I see it and I don't think that's any time soon.
I think November makes perfect sense:
AT&T originally were going to allow upgrades to iPhone 4 in November for those that purchased 3GS which is about 2 months earlier than they normally allow upgrades (6 months before 2 year anniversary). This could mean that November was the zero hour and when they were going to lose exclusivity.
Since they are now allowing those November early upgrades to upgrade even earlier next week- I think it's safe to say they are trying to snag everyone they can into another 2 year contract before Verizon lets the cat out of the bag and people start waiting out the end of their contracts.
AT&T originally were going to allow upgrades to iPhone 4 in November for those that purchased 3GS which is about 2 months earlier than they normally allow upgrades (6 months before 2 year anniversary). This could mean that November was the zero hour and when they were going to lose exclusivity.
Since they are now allowing those November early upgrades to upgrade even earlier next week- I think it's safe to say they are trying to snag everyone they can into another 2 year contract before Verizon lets the cat out of the bag and people start waiting out the end of their contracts.
Cungular was owned by AT&T (previously SBC + AT&T(Ma Bell)). All they did was do a name+marketing change.
HURRAY!
Oh, wait...I don't live in the US...
Frankly, the usual expectation is that US companies stiff any country that isn't the US and this is particularly the case with Apple. This time, however, the boot is on the other foot.
Cry me a river, USA
Oh, wait...I don't live in the US...
Frankly, the usual expectation is that US companies stiff any country that isn't the US and this is particularly the case with Apple. This time, however, the boot is on the other foot.
Cry me a river, USA
Getting onto more US carriers is great for them and Verizon is a very very solid carrier...
I am sure it has already been said in this thread but the fact that you can't browse the web (or use any data even as simple as checking e-mail) while talking on the phone outside of Wi-Fi is a crippling shortcoming that will always stop me from going CDMA.
I am sure it has already been said in this thread but the fact that you can't browse the web (or use any data even as simple as checking e-mail) while talking on the phone outside of Wi-Fi is a crippling shortcoming that will always stop me from going CDMA.
Give me a break, the US has ONE choice of carrier most other countries have multiple choices... Something that has been envied by the US for a long time.
Stop playing the victim.
I have no interest in a Verizon iPhone but I'm now hoping Apple produces and sells a CDMA phone. The more people that leave AT&T, the better my service will be. Win-win.
And with a mass exodus of AT&T users also departs revenue and incentive for AT&T to update their troubled network.
100%. It hurts AT&T to subsidize a phone.. they do it because they know they'll be getting 2 years of service out of you and it'll pay off for them in the long run. I'd think they'd only cut the upgrade fee because they feel the threat of Verizon (or other carriers) on deck.
People who really want iPhone 4 will buy it no matter what the cost is, AT&T needed to win over the people who were on the fence.
I wouldn't read into AT&T allowing customers to upgrade early as a sign that they know the iPhone will find its way to Verizon. That $350 odd ETA really isn't crazy [if you were to switch to another carrier] when you consider you can sell an iPhone on ebay and not only break even on the ETA, but also almost break even on the price you paid for the phone.
That said, I can't see how Verizon wouldn't eventually get the iPhone, but this year seems like a stretch. They have AT&T in their pockets; why stop a good thing.
That said, I can't see how Verizon wouldn't eventually get the iPhone, but this year seems like a stretch. They have AT&T in their pockets; why stop a good thing.
It seems no one really remembers what happened. ATT did not own nor buy Cingular. Cingular actually bought ATT and then changed its name to ATT.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/17/technology/cingular_att/
Intresting. I don't get why jobs has to be so stuck up over AT&T. Is he obsessed with them? Yeah back in late 2006 early 2007 cingluar was susposly great. When the merger happened it made it even better. But as time went on and the iphone became poplar mor and more people got the iPhone and that put a drain on the network. Let the iPhone be on the "big 4" as well as have it be sim card free and on prepaid non contract plans. (like boost) you'll make a lot more money if you open to the door to others as well as free up AT&Ts network a little.
Then again if it goes to sprint you may be able to use it in boost since boost also uses sprints CDMAn etwork.
Then again if it goes to sprint you may be able to use it in boost since boost also uses sprints CDMAn etwork.
SO you seriously think Apple has one or two engineers just working on just implementing the GSM radio?
It really must be concrete.
And the biggest GSM provider in the world is larger than that.
Just under half a mil? GSM is well over 1 billion and its not a stretch to say 2 billion.
I still remember when our Cingular store opened. I also remember when they were out there replacing the sign to say AT&T
I also remember the mall location. This one had an apple store like sign (imbedded in the wall) so it made it a bit harder to replace.
After reading this thread I was wondering if anyone accurately remembered what happened. Looks like at least one other person does.