Pegatron to Deliver CDMA iPhone 4s to Apple in Q4?

[chrmjenkins]

Ok then, tell me how many companies are actively maintaining CDMA/Upgrading systems in China/USA/NH.

From the looks of it only China has China Telecom, and they're only buying CDMA networks off other companies.

And according to Google Stats, the biggest 15 mobile phone companies (ranked by total subscribers) use GSM/GSM Derivative/Evolution as their primary radio type. SO please, tell my why CDMA is worth investing into currently. Its dead in an entire hemisphere (and if you call Australia unimportant you're thicker than concrete) and some of the biggest Cell Phone providers couldn't care for it.

On top of what everyone else has said, Apple is an American company. The American market is its biggest and comes first. If you told them they had a market of 90 million potential customers for ANY product, that product would be worth developing. Moreover, when you have a one carrier situation, you get a multitude of reasons people won't switch to that carrier, real or imagined. By adding a second carrier, you can get a lot of those holdouts, plus you can slow Android's growth when people are adopting it because they feel they have no other choice.

cdma = no voice & data at the same time a key feature of the iphone.

Not true anymore. Current CDMA standard supports SVDO. Phone maker only has to build it in. I've heard conflicting opinions about what is needed for carrier to support it, but it's still very minimal. Not a roadblock anymore.

 

[JakeTheMac]

Just let me know when Jason Chen or Gizmodo buys one for 5000 dollars then we know its true until then its just another rumor that will never happen...

 

[MorphingDragon]

Doesn't make sense. Why would you use an entire different company to manufacture the entire phone, rather then just swapping in different radios on the same assembly line.

There's a lot more to changing radio types than just swapping hardware.

Firmware has to be re-written, software has to be changed, testing to be done with numerous standards authorities filings to follow.

On top of what everyone else has said, Apple is an American company. The American market is its biggest and comes first.

Correction, Apple is a globalised company based in America which caters to the world.

 

[skellener]

DigiTimes reports that Taiwanese manufacture is set to deliver a CDMA version of iPhone 4, which would be compatible with Verizon's network in the United States, to Apple in the fourth quarter of this year.

Not gonna happen.

 

[RaZaK]

a very welcome development

i'm pretty sure Verizon won't wuss out like AT&T and manage the pre-orders without crashing.

How is AT&T still in business if they couldn't even anticipate there would be mass pre-orders if you're letting people upgrade early???

 

[ChrisGonzales90]

There's a lot more to changing radio types than just swapping hardware.

Firmware has to be re-written, software has to be changed, testing to be done with numerous standards authorities filings to follow.

Exactly. Kids just think they can swap radios and it will just work.

There is a lot more that needs to be done.

 

[fjfjfjfj]

The only thing I cannot get straight in my mind is how iPhone could come to Verizon so soon. Let's assume the rumors are true and the iPhone 4 is coming to Verizon in November. Do you really think that Apple would have allowed its customers to lock into two-year agreements with AT&T just to come out on Verizon a few months later? Trust me; nobody wants this rumor to be true more than I do. I switched to AT&T two years ago for the iPhone 3G and love the phone but hate the service. Dropped calls all over the place. I want to get back to Verizon badly, but I love my iPhone too much.

I know Apple is a company that wants to make money like all other companies, but not announcing a Verizon option was coming while thousands of your consumers locked themselves into two-year contracts just doesn't seem like a good idea.

For that reason, I am holding out with my 3G...I've given myself until December to decide if the rumors are true or not before I sign back with AT&T.

 

[fleshman03]

Not this crap again! People really have hopes for Verizon don't they?

I don't know if it's because they like Verizon that much. Maybe it's because they don't like ATT at all.

 

[Kenn Marks]

Bringing back the DEAD (CDMA)

People CDMA is dead in the southern hemisphere and has hit a brick wall in terms of technological progress. It would be silly for a company to release a phone for something that they know will be dead soon.

There has only been one person who brought back the DEAD and it wasn't Steve Jobs. Has anyone ever considered that these xCDMA phones are destined for China Mobile who will be in the xCDMA business years after Verizon has 'Moved On" to LTE a non CDMA technology. I as a stock holder would consider it a waste of R&D $$ to invest in Verizon CDMA and then go through the FCC approval process for such a short lived product, which probably will be obsolete before the contract expires. Considering that Apple and it's partners completely sold out it's pre-orders (not one physical unit left the shelves) in less than 24 hours. Just what Wall Street wants is huge sales quarters that can't be replicated in ensuing quarters they want slow consistent growth and expansion with a roadmap that follows those guidelines.

 

[nkawtg72]

i just don't see this happening. with verizon set to go 4g soon, i don't see apple ramping up a second version of the phone to support cdma.

just my two cents, but what do i know.

 

[chrmjenkins]

Correction, Apple is a globalised company based in America which caters to the world.

That's not a correction. Nothing you said invalidated my statement. They're still an American company, and America still gets its products first (although other countries may get certain products on the same day).

 

[alm99]

Do you really think that Apple would have allowed its customers to lock into two-year agreements with AT&T just to come out on Verizon a few months later?

Apple does not care about your contract.

They make money off the hardware and they know people will cancel their AT&T contract, pay the ETF, sell their 3GS/4, and purchase a new CDMA iPhone. It's a win/win for Apple. They sell you an iPhone twice in the same year assuming it comes out in 2010.

 

[pistolero]

The only thing I cannot get straight in my mind is how iPhone could come to Verizon so soon. Let's assume the rumors are true and the iPhone 4 is coming to Verizon in November. Do you really think that Apple would have allowed its customers to lock into two-year agreements with AT&T just to come out on Verizon a few months later? Trust me; nobody wants this rumor to be true more than I do. I switched to AT&T two years ago for the iPhone 3G and love the phone but hate the service. Dropped calls all over the place. I want to get back to Verizon badly, but I love my iPhone too much.

I know Apple is a company that wants to make money like all other companies, but not announcing a Verizon option was coming while thousands of your consumers locked themselves into two-year contracts just doesn't seem like a good idea.
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Huh? Apple couldn't care less if people sign up for either carrier since they are interested in selling phones.

There are millions of people in the Verizon network who would love to get an iPhone if it were available for them.

 

[ChrisGonzales90]

That's not a correction. Nothing you said invalidated my statement. They're still an American company, and America still gets its products first (although other countries may get certain products on the same day).

And they have their products made in china just like 99% of the stuff you buy.

 

[mex4eric]

i just don't see this happening. with verizon set to go 4g soon, i don't see apple ramping up a second version of the phone to support cdma.

just my two cents, but what do i know.

Agreed! iPhone 5 will be a HSPA plus LTE phone, great for ATT and Canadian and European customers. Mexico too. Verizon will sell it only in their already converted cities, but it won't work in their boonies.

 

[JAT]

China Unicom runs both a GSM and CDMA network and China Telecom expects 100 million users on its CDMA network in the next 2 years.

That's a lot of potential sales. Well worth the engineering effort to change out the radios and retest/recertify. The more interesting challenge would be what restrictions the Chinese government would want to put on the software.

GL

Bigger question: Who gets to make all those phones for China? Do they farm it out to USA slum factories?

 

[dashiel]

i'll amend my previous statement, at&t's renegotiating of their data plans may be a trailing or leading indicator of a change in the contract terms between at&t and apple.

i still don't think apple will release a verizon phone until their lte network hits 50% of their subscriber base, so middle next year at the earliest. apple avoids multiple skus for technical reasons like the plague.

 

[baryon]

"Pegatron" sounds like some evil big company from a futuristic Sci-Fi movie where robots take over the planet!

/relevant comment

 

[RebootD]

I don't know if it's because they like Verizon that much. Maybe it's because they don't like ATT at all.

Definitely the hating AT&T part for me anyway. And what is all this Verizon talk, bring it to Sprint with a 4G antenna in there! (Plus much cheaper plans!)

 

[Kenn Marks]

More FUD

Obviously because the worlds worst network with the worlds highest rates isn't exactly appealing.

I don't know what bodily orifice you extract your FUD but if you check out post #117 you will notice that it's not the worlds worst network. Just maybe they (AT&T) have the worst deployment / execution of said network. As to worst rates, when was the last time you compared US rates for similar services or other countries iPhone rates. I think we are getting a great deal except for the fact that I have to have full plans for other family members. It would be just peachy if I could have shared voice, message and data across all my family-talk members.

 

[JAT]

There's a lot more to changing radio types than just swapping hardware.

Firmware has to be re-written, software has to be changed, testing to be done with numerous standards authorities filings to follow.

But none of that matters to the production line, which I think was the discussion.

And really, it's been going on for years. It's not like SJ will wake up one day next month and say, "oh hey, apparently VZW uses a different tech, somebody look into that."

 

[manhattanboy]

we will see MacRumors forums filled with pissed off people who just got an iPhone 4 stuck with AT&T

Exactly! I'm giddy for the 600,000 people who already pre-ordered.

In my experience with AT&T the company does not do anything to be nice.

Allowing people to upgrade early for free pretty much seals the deal that the phone will be on Verizon this fall.

 

[plazmatyk]

Oh no, what do I do?

Do I enjoy my iPhone 4 for six months and then port back to VZW or do I return my iPhone 4 keep my VZW phone and hold out for 6 months only to find out the rumors are not true, curse myself and then wait another 6 months for the iPhone 5. It's a vicious cycle.

i'd say stick with iPhone 4 on ATT, and if it comes out on Verizon, abandon ATT ship.
If the Verizon voice/texting/data plans for iPhone are not horrendous, that's what I might do. And I'll keep my GSM iPhone 4 for use in Europe where I spend 1/6 of the year

 

[Glideslope]

ok these rumors are not gonig to end are they ..............as a apple fan i dont want a cdma phone with Verizon to happen because i want all the droidboys to stay where they are but if global take over is what jobs wants well thats what he will get when verizon is had

Bingo.

 

[JAT]

It would just peachy if I could have shared voice, message and data across all my family-talk members.

Yes, it would. But none of them offer that. (some offer text) Data plans for iPhone/Droid phones are always per-line, so that's hardly a reason to hate on one company.