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Not trying to be rude, I just want a real discussion.
Someone explain to me how iOS 7 is "modern." IMO, Apple completely destroyed the intuitive OS to follow trends. It's not modern to me, but just what happens to be trending for a few years. Someone explain please?
Someone explain to me how iOS 7 is "modern." IMO, Apple completely destroyed the intuitive OS to follow trends. It's not modern to me, but just what happens to be trending for a few years. Someone explain please?
Do you guys actually expect for everybody to like something? That's like ranting because not everybody likes bananas. Just because some people thought iOS 6 was boring and wanted a redesign, doesn't mean they'll automatically like iOS 7 because it's new. Obviously those people wanted a new and good looking OS, and they think iOS 7 looks like crap.
squeakr
macrumors 68000
That is what "modern" is by definition. The adaptation of newer styles, techniques, technology, and ideals keeping with the current times, in effect the trends of the day.
Explain to me how the OS is any less intuitive due to these changes than it was before. It is currently ranked the highest on the latest satisfaction and usability chart surveys, and people with no prior knowledge are able to pick the devices up and use them without tutorials or training necessary. I would say that ranks it as pretty intuitive. Does it have issues? Yes but really no worse than prior initial OS releases and lots aren't happy with the color schemes or appearance changes of some of the stock apps but how does that affect intuitiveness of the OS overall?
Yester5
macrumors 6502
squeakr
macrumors 68000
In actuality the only true multitasking can only be accomplished on multi processor and bus line systems. If only one processor (no matter the number of cores) and one bus line exists then it is executing processor sharing and only doing one thing at a time (no matter how fast it switches to look like it is multitasking, it is only executing one task at a time), so no true multitasking is taking place, no matter how many concurrent windows are running if you only have one bus line and processor.
Count Blah
macrumors 68040
Gotta love all the people looking down their noses at folks suffering from horribly degraded battery life from going to iOS7.
What? Don't feel good about yourself unless you are shoving someone's face in the mud?
Congrats.
What? Don't feel good about yourself unless you are shoving someone's face in the mud?
Congrats.
squeakr
macrumors 68000
It works the same way in the opposite as well. All of the people looking down upon and judging others because they may not be affected by an issue. Telling them they don't use their device fully, are ignorant and unaware, a fanboy of Apple, not a power user, etc. and thus not allowed to take part in discussions because they don't share the same negative feelings towards the device, apple, ios7, etc as the other posters in the thread. No one party is better than the other when it comes to these types of arguments or viewpoints.
Do these types of people only feel happy and satisfied when they have made everyone as equally unhappy and dissatisfied as they are as no one should have a positive experience unless they are too?
3lite
macrumors 6502a
Maybe that's the problem. They should have started much earlier and put more time into it. They should have released the beta much sooner so they would have more time to fix all of the BS before they released it.
Don't even get me started on the calendar... and the new Safari way of exiting tabs is atrocious... why take out the swipe?
Alright, understood I guess. It still just baffles me that Apple finally decided to follow a trend, something they've never been known for doing. It also baffles me that they think it's ok to ship this as well as all the other bugs and bad UI. I went through all the betas and iOS 7's new design never "grew on me."
I don't think that many people are unhappy with it, its just the internet is full of complainers.
What I don't like about ios7...
- lagging (on iPad mini)
- ugly (too much bright colors and grey)
- no shortcut to settings app in the control center (so if you want to connect to bluetooth etc you have to go back to the home screen and go to settings)
- swipe gesture for search bar gets activated by accident
- lagging (on iPad mini)
- ugly (too much bright colors and grey)
- no shortcut to settings app in the control center (so if you want to connect to bluetooth etc you have to go back to the home screen and go to settings)
- swipe gesture for search bar gets activated by accident
squeakr
macrumors 68000
You need to understand that terms like "bad ui" and "un intuitive" are subjective terms. If they behave the way they were designed then it is a matter of opinion whether someone likes them and that does not affect their intended usefulness or intended purpose and does not make them
buggy (as bugs are a different thing entirely).
As for the bugs, nothing is ever going to be 100% big free. Yes bugs exist but lots of those are only discovered when released to the public. Think about how many devices were sold with 7 on them and how many upgraded. If only 10% of those users experienced a bug (which is a phenomenal number to achieve for a .0 release) that would still be probably 1000 x or more the membership of this site, making the experience of the users here minimal. Until the betas are opened to more than the Dev group (who were mainly focused on major operability bugs and the bugs in their apps as opposed to fine tuning the OS) these types of closed trials are always going to have bugs on an initial release to the public. All further release will get better and more stable as they will then be regression testing as well as testing new development. It is just the nature of SDLC and proper QA testing. I support software that is over 6 years old and we are still finding bugs (a lot less these days), even though the manufacturer has just sunsetted the product as eol in favor of newer versions. Bugs are a fact of life.
squeakr
macrumors 68000
I hope my explanations make more sense and shed some light on possible issues and scenarios. I am trying to explain things from a Dev/ tester point of view (as that is how I make my living) in ways that a non tester would understand the whole framework behind design and testing. It isn't as cut and dried as people believe when it is actually done properly. The hardest part to understand is what is a bug. Without the behind the scenes knowledge of the design, we (yes me included even being a tester by trade) don't know truly what is a design flaw (bug) or just an inherent design effect. Several complain about animation, lag and slowness, but if those were the intentional design (for say the purpose of writing information in the background and keeping it from getting corrupted and other actions occurring) then it is functioning correctly as designed and intended, whether or not people feel this is a bug. It may be something Apple could and may change or it may be an actual bug. Without the design requirements we will never know and unless Apple has performance testing standards then slowness or lag is subjective and not a bug unless violating the performance specs of the testing.
And there are actual people actually unhappy with various issues/drawbacks actually in iOS 7.
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Count Blah
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So people who are experiencing real problems should just shut up and accept it.
Gotcha.
squeakr
macrumors 68000
I guess they should if others aren't allowed to voice their opinions either without being insulted. One way discussions are nothing more than complaints.
Gotcha, civility is dead!!!
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matrix07
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I really don't want to start a flame war between the ones who love iOS 6 and the one who loves iOS 7 but here are a few of my examples on why iOS 7 is less intuitive.
First, The Photo app. Apart from all white background which is plain ugly and hurt the eyes (if you want to view your photo on black background you need to tap another tap.) The Delete and Share button are just at the wrong place. When you operate iPad with two hands (especially the regular one) you could get back to your Moments or Edit the photo easily but if you want to delete some? You need to reach your hand down to the lowest right corner. Better yet, if you also want to share some? You need to reach another hand to another lowest corner. Huh?
Second. Now we have the new multitasking view which we can see through to the Home Screen, like when we search using Spotlight or when we're in App Folder. Awesome, right? But unlike those two situations you can not tab the area to bring you to the Home Screen. WTF?
The visual is just too confusing. It is supposed to be ABOVE the Home Screen but we can not tap to get to the Home Screen? Really?
Third, what is the official iOS 7 Calendar icon, Apple? Make up your mind. Is it this?
or this?
Fourth, When you saw YouTube video you want to view in fullscreen, what would you do? Tab the two arrows at the lowest left corner. Easy, right? How about when you want to get back to where you were before? Where did you tab? Oh, you need to tab the Done button at the opposite corner.
Now you will tell me in iOS 6 it's just the same but it's not the same. Because in iOS 6 the Done button is the bright blue button that stand out from others, not greyish button like every ones on the player now. If Apple suddenly decides that here it's not good to have a bright color button for once, why not add two arrows at the same corner to bring us back?
And if you notice you will see the AirPlay button on the video player. No such thing on the Music player. Huh?
THIS IS JUST FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
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squeakr
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For the record it is tap and not tab on a button or area.
Intuitive by definition means something easy to understand and use. Just because something has moved a location from where you would like it to be or is in a different color than before, doesn't make It any less intuitive to use or understand. Obviously you have figured out how to do everything without watching a training video or going through an introductory class, so it is just as intuitive as before. If you were to move to another OS (such as Widows mobile or Android) and be able to do these same things easily without training, you would call it intuitive, no matter the colors, icons, or locations for them used (even if you had the same complaints).
(Within the task menu you can select either the page displayed or the icon below it so if you wish to get to the home screen either tap the home screen displayed on the far left or the home button, both very easy and intuitive and the calendar, so the icon in the today screen doesn't show today's date, it was easy to figure out it went along with the calendar, right? Pretty intuitive if you ask me. )
So once again, I ask how is it any less intuitive? You have only shown it to be less appealing to you and laid out differently, but by having figured out the differences easily enough you have proven my point that it is just as intuitive as it was before. People moving from other device's OS or versions of IOS complain about the differences between apps, customizations, and how they now interact with their work flow but not about how they are now confused and can't figure out how to get to the calendar or which icon represents it, play a YouTube video, or switch tasks. This is because it is still intuitive.
Intuitive by definition means something easy to understand and use. Just because something has moved a location from where you would like it to be or is in a different color than before, doesn't make It any less intuitive to use or understand. Obviously you have figured out how to do everything without watching a training video or going through an introductory class, so it is just as intuitive as before. If you were to move to another OS (such as Widows mobile or Android) and be able to do these same things easily without training, you would call it intuitive, no matter the colors, icons, or locations for them used (even if you had the same complaints).
(Within the task menu you can select either the page displayed or the icon below it so if you wish to get to the home screen either tap the home screen displayed on the far left or the home button, both very easy and intuitive and the calendar, so the icon in the today screen doesn't show today's date, it was easy to figure out it went along with the calendar, right? Pretty intuitive if you ask me. )
So once again, I ask how is it any less intuitive? You have only shown it to be less appealing to you and laid out differently, but by having figured out the differences easily enough you have proven my point that it is just as intuitive as it was before. People moving from other device's OS or versions of IOS complain about the differences between apps, customizations, and how they now interact with their work flow but not about how they are now confused and can't figure out how to get to the calendar or which icon represents it, play a YouTube video, or switch tasks. This is because it is still intuitive.
matrix07
macrumors G3
When I want to delete, or share a photo, my hand always instinctively went to the Edit corner. Even for TODAY. How is that intuitive? How is spreading a simple function to all the corners of the app is intuitive?
When I want to get back from Home Screen video, my hands always reach for the same corner that put me in Full Screen mode but can't find it, Is that intuitive?
When I can AirPlay video right in the player, I always look for AirPlay button on the Music player but never find it. Is that intuitive?
When I can tap a Home Screen area to get back to Home Screen and I can not do that on Multitasking view, Is that intuitive?
This always make you look for, search for, or think about a function that you're supposed to do it instinctively but can't.
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