iPhone 13 mini People with 13 Mini, if there is no 14 Mini

[klasma]

Have you noticed any issues with iOS 16?! My 12 mini started showing continuous bugs in notifications (overlapping notifications summary or single) and I use the lowest text size setting in iOS. Some freezing and even black rectngaulr notifications that quick selection or long selections revealed nothing nor changed anything on it.

I haven’t upgraded to iOS 16 yet, won’t do that until 16.4 or so at the earliest.

 

[mattopotamus]

I think the Mini got a bad rap with 12 Mini battery life being somewhat dismal. And the 'mini' moniker with high price is not helping. If the CPUs get efficient enough with improved battery chemistry, there's potential for this to come back.

One options is for them to release this again as an SE, or an iPhone Air, and position it as an affordable and/or lightweight phone. If it comes at sub-$600 price tag, it'll probably sell incredibly well.

Coming from a 12 mini to a 13 mini, I have been pleasantly surprised at how much better the battery actually is. At a point in the day where I would be at 30% with the 12, I am at 55% on the 13.

 

[jav6454]

No the public didn’t really speak much at all, Apple themselves didn’t give them much of an option to even consider speaking about the 12/13 mini.

Apples international sites as well as North American sites did NOT mention the mini’s not without deleting the regular 12/13 iPhones first on the buy or specifications sub-sites.

Having no choice to make doesn’t man you’ve made a choice.


Again no they didn’t.

Users had no choice cause both I. Billboards, print media and on web Apple did nOT advertise at all! You had to select the regular iPhone 12/13 to even see spec sheet or on the buy page to see the 13 mini.

Yeah I think I’ll buy a 13 mini 512GB close to the end of the year. I wonder if Apple will do anything in AC+ from 14 Pro to 13 mini? lol.

The market spoke and sales weren't great. Apple decided with the bigger form factor, and guess what? It'll also be gone soon.

Why would you spend money in ads on a device that doesn't sell as well as the regular sized phone or the Pro line? Seems like a good waste.

Now, the Mini form factor is gone as I expected and was thoroughly reported. Why? It wasn't selling and it got nixed. Don't like the argument? Too bad.

This seems to be ignoring like, all, the factors around why the Mini didn't sell particularly well and just saying, "IT DIDN'T SELL PARTICULARLY WELL SO THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!"

Regardless what the factors were, the people chose the other phones. People do vote with wallets and companies will listen. In this case, Apple did learn and oh boy are they learning on the Plus as well.

 

[DeepIn2U]

The market spoke and sales weren't great. Apple decided with the bigger form factor, and guess what? It'll also be gone soon.

Why would you spend money in ads on a device that doesn't sell as well as the regular sized phone or the Pro line? Seems like a good waste.

Now, the Mini form factor is gone as I expected and was thoroughly reported. Why? It wasn't selling and it got nixed. Don't like the argument? Too bad.



Regardless what the factors were, the people chose the other phones. People do vote with wallets and companies will listen. In this case, Apple did learn and oh boy are they learning on the Plus as well.

Everything you’ve stated is in hindsight.

Nothing sells well without advertising - unless great word of mouth and it’s the only product in that price range with nothing to undercut it in your product mix. Proof with no marketing success Tesla: no product under priced/cuts the Model 3, model Y does for the model X but the C has other things unique to it. The Model S is like the 14 Pro refined and stellar. Every other company doesn’t do this. Apple got greedy and it hurt them but they also where ignorant.

1. Apple did NOT market the iPhone 12/13 mini at all beyond their wwdc events.

2. The 12 mini sold in 3 QTRs better than the iPhone SE 2 did. With higher margins. There is a specific home page article from a reputable analytics company right here on macrumors. (I’ve quoted it a while back and hard to swerve but I’ll try - will edit tomorrow if I can find it as it’s late where I am.

3. Apple released the iPhone SE 3 with a few hardware issues that undersold the 13 mini less than 4mths launch windows between them - goes against my second paragraph above.

So come again? Put your after Marty of the market deciding away and go with the exact launch and 2-3 qtr window time frames. You’ll see a bigger picture. Maybe you will not cause you have no care of the 13 mini nor the 12 mini. That’s ok.

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iPhone 12 Mini Sales Lackluster Compared to Other Models

Apple's 5.4-inch iPhone 12 mini, which is the smallest iPhone that has been released since the 2016 iPhone SE, may not be selling as well as...

www.macrumors.com

Tuesday January 5, 2021 12:06 pm PST by Juli Clover

Combined, all new ‌iPhone 12‌ models accounted for 76 percent of ‌iPhone‌ sales in the United States in October and November. The standard ‌iPhone 12‌ was the best selling model, accounting for 27 percent of those sales.


‌iPhone 12 mini‌ sales made up just six percent of the total ‌iPhone 12‌ sales during the launch period, while the ‌iPhone 12‌ Pro and Pro Max had sales numbers closer to the ‌iPhone 12‌.

iPhone 12 models garnered a significant share at launch, but with mixed results, as iPhone 12 mini seems to have been lost among the other models," said Josh Lowitz, CIRP Partner and Co-Founder. "Apple not only launched a wider range of new models than ever before, and also divided that launch into two pairs of models, so comparison to earlier launches is tricky. In addition, Apple launched a new iPhone SE earlier in the year, further complicating the lineup.

Last year's ‌iPhone‌ 11 models accounted for 69 percent of sales in the period after their launch, so the ‌iPhone 12‌ models did better overall. In 2019, the ‌iPhone‌ 11 was the best-selling ‌iPhone‌, accounting for 39 percent of sales, with the 11 Pro and Pro Max making up the remaining 30 percent.

Compared to last year's launch of iPhone 11, which accounted for 69% of sales in the period after the launch, the four iPhone 12 models did even better, with 76% of sales. However, there was no clear leader among the new models, with sales evenly distributed among iPhone 12, 12 Pro, and 12 Max. In contrast, in 2019, iPhone 11 had an incredible 39% of sales, with iPhone 11 Pro and Pro Max combining for only 30% of sales.

CIRP speculates that the availability of lower-cost models like the $399 ‌iPhone SE‌, $499 ‌iPhone‌ XR, and $599 ‌iPhone‌ 11, may have ultimately limited the appeal of the more expensive ‌iPhone 12 mini‌, which is priced at $699.

Reports of Lackluster iPhone 12 Mini Sales Corroborated By Supply Chain Sources

Recent reports of Apple cutting iPhone 12 mini production to increase manufacturing capacity for the more popular iPhone 12 Pro were corroborated on...

www.macrumors.com

Friday January 22, 2021 1:49 am PST by Tim Hardwick

Pegatron has seen a slowdown in orders for the iPhone 12 mini as sales of the model in the US and Europe are affected negatively by the COVID-19 pandemic, according to industry sources.
The sources pointed out that the iPhone 12 mini is targeting mainly consumers in the US and Europe, but overall smartphone sales there have been significantly undermined by the pandemic.

Pegatron is the main producer of the ‌iPhone 12 mini‌, and the above factors have combined to reduce demand for the device at the Taiwanese manufacturer's expense.


On Wednesday, a Morgan Stanley investment note claimed that Apple has shifted production away from the ‌iPhone 12 mini‌ for the first quarter of 2021, in an effort to combat continuing lead times for the more popular ‌‌iPhone 12‌ Pro‌.


The note supported previous analysis that the ‌‌iPhone 12 mini‌‌ has suffered from lackluster sales, capturing just six percent of the total ‌‌‌iPhone 12‌‌‌ sales during the launch period, despite broad satisfaction reported by owners of the smaller device.

 

[Deedeekay]

Just got a 13 Mini.

I have spoken.

 

[Dhonk]

The iPhone 12 and 13 mini sold well enough, but weren't great sellers. I love my 12 mini still. Several others have stated it correctly that Apple never marketed it, just as they hardly market the iPad mini. I've had countless people say "how can you use a phone so small?" Then I show it to them, let them hold it, and talk about how it's actually got the screen of a 6s+ Plus in the form of a 6. After that, most of them get it. Most of my students assume the phone is tiny and are shocked to see it's much bigger than they expected

 

[NM08SRT8]

I think the Mini got a bad rap with 12 Mini battery life being somewhat dismal. And the 'mini' moniker with high price is not helping. If the CPUs get efficient enough with improved battery chemistry, there's potential for this to come back.

One options is for them to release this again as an SE, or an iPhone Air, and position it as an affordable and/or lightweight phone. If it comes at sub-$600 price tag, it'll probably sell incredibly well.

High price? It was $100 difference like all other different sized models are. I think the obsession with “bigger is better” is what hurt it. Pair that with a small battery and people weren’t happy. Either way, I loved my 12 mini, and still love my 13 mini. My 14 pro is nice but that 13mini is perfect in my opinion.

 

[lostPod]

I do

Do you have to transfer them to the weekend phone each time?

 

[MICHAELSD]

To be fair, I would buy an iPhone 14 Mini right now if it existed.

 

[NM08SRT8]

Do you have to transfer them to the weekend phone each time?

I have both setup for 2A so there isn’t a hiccup with the process for approvals.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Just got a 13 Mini.

I have spoken.

Bruh you shouted loud! I shall too in less than 2 weeks (return processing and HUP to the 13mini). Black Friday I just may purchase a spare and keep it in very cool storage (14 C) .

The iPhone 12 and 13 mini sold well enough, but weren't great sellers. I love my 12 mini still. Several others have stated it correctly that Apple never marketed it, just as they hardly market the iPad mini. I've had countless people say "how can you use a phone so small?" Then I show it to them, let them hold it, and talk about how it's actually got the screen of a 6s+ Plus in the form of a 6. After that, most of them get it. Most of my students assume the phone is tiny and are shocked to see it's much bigger than they expected

well stated. Honestly I think Apple marketed the iPad Mini 6 much more than either the 12/13 mini. I'm having seller's remorse selling my iPad mini 6 - I may just revisit it again.

To be fair, I would buy an iPhone 14 Mini right now if it existed

with Dynamic Island and FaceID + A15+/A16 hardware improvements HELLZ YES I would to!

 

[DeepIn2U]

I haven’t upgraded to iOS 16 yet, won’t do that until 16.4 or so at the earliest.

I hope you have the setting to share analytics back to Apple enabled. It's the ONLY way Apple will know to resolve iOS, Safari and other rendering issues of the 12/13 mini for every update to be fixed or keep an eye one.

Also it helps them understand the amount of iPhone mini users still in use and are current.