Persistent Software Problems With iPhone 8 Wireless Charging and 3D Sensor Causing 'Panic' at Apple

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    As the prospective September launch date of the iPhone 8 fast approaches, designers and engineers at Apple are said to be working "feverishly" to fix software problems in the device that could lead to production delays, reports Fast Company.

    Citing a source "knowledge of the situation," the site says there's a "sense of panic" in the air because should the problems not be resolved, the device might ship without major features enabled.

    One feature that might be delayed is wireless charging. Apple is said to be planning to implement inductive wireless charging in the iPhone 8, but rumors suggest it will be enabled through a standalone charger purchased separately. As previously shared by Apple blogger John Gruber, Apple may not ship the inductive wireless charging accessory until later in the year alongside an iOS 11.1 update.


    While Gruber didn't offer an explanation, Fast Company says software issues, not components, are the problem. If the software isn't ready, wireless charging could be unavailable when the phone first begins shipping.

    Apple is also said to be struggling with the 3D sensor expected to be built into the front-facing camera, which is rumored to enable a facial scanning system that could replace Touch ID.
    On the subject of Touch ID, Fast Company's source believes Apple could still be working to add it under the display. Yesterday, a report from KeyBanc Capital Markets suggested Apple was continuing to struggle to put the fingerprint sensor under the glass of the device, and that the company had "just a couple of weeks" to solve the problem.

    Though this sounds unlikely because new device designs are often finalized months ahead of production, Fast Company's source calls the report "plausible" and says "in all likelihood, the fingerprint sensor will be embedded under the display." The source also says iPhone features "can remain fluid until deep in the summer" ahead of an iPhone launch.

    With multiple reputable sources (Bloomberg and KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo) reporting Apple has adopted a superior facial recognition system to replace Touch ID, it's not clear how accurate Fast Company's information is, but given the number of conflicting rumors we've heard over the course of the iPhone 8's development, it's still difficult to predict exactly what we're going to see when the device debuts in September.

    We've previously heard of problems with the display, the 3D sensor, and Touch ID, all of which have led to multiple rumors pointing towards serious supply issues. The iPhone 8, which will be sold alongside an "iPhone 7s" and an "iPhone 7s Plus," may not be widely available until late in 2017 or early in 2018 due to a later production ramp-up schedule, according to the latest rumor.

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  2. apolloa macrumors G4

    Oct 21, 2008
    Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
    First to say... Apple first gen product, buy at own risk?
  3. SteveJobs2.0 macrumors 6502a

    Mar 9, 2012
  4. Asarien macrumors 6502

    Sep 24, 2015
    San Francisco, CA
  5. OldSchoolMacGuy Suspended


    Jul 10, 2008
    Same claim every iPhone release. Heck, there are rumors of new additions and changes long after the phone would already be in production before release each time.
  6. btrach144 macrumors 65816


    Aug 28, 2015
    I think this is fake news released by Apple. It creates a sense of awe when they announce the phone and all of the features are enabled.
  7. garirry macrumors 68000


    Apr 27, 2013
    Canada is my city
    They don't need to because "journalists" do it for them.
  8. Asarien macrumors 6502

    Sep 24, 2015
    San Francisco, CA
  9. dominiongamma macrumors 65816

    Oct 19, 2014
    Tempe, Arizona
    Why though? As an Apple fan I feel Apple losing its cool could be its downfall if they release a product that isn't ready.
  10. farewelwilliams macrumors 68000

    Jun 18, 2014
    "reports fast company"?

    fast company previously reported:
    - "Some media reports have suggested that Apple will include a set of Lightning-connected EarPod earphones in the box with the iPhone 7. It’s more likely, our source says, that Apple will sell a more expensive pair of noise-canceling,"
    - "iPhone 7...will be noticeably thinner, will very likely support wireless charging and be waterproof, a source with knowledge of the company’s plans tells Fast Company."

    all wrong.
  11. Gasu E. macrumors 601

    Gasu E.

    Mar 20, 2004
    Not far from Boston, MA.
    That seems an over-the-top reaction. "Shameful", really?
  12. Mjmar macrumors 65816

    May 20, 2008
  13. loft3 macrumors regular

    Feb 24, 2006
    With all the problems/missing tech this phone is reportedly having, I'm gonna wait until the iPhone 8S in 2018 so I get an iPhone that is full-featured and "just works."
  14. kemal macrumors 65816


    Dec 21, 2001
    It would seem the iTunes team has been working on the phone.
  15. atlchamp macrumors 68000


    Jun 19, 2012
    iOS 11 beta's are really rough, this article makes a lot of sense man.
  16. Derekeys macrumors regular

    Sep 17, 2012
    Philadelphia, PA
    There would be whining, but I would be very ok with waiting until it is fully cooked. Release it when it's ready! :) The 7 is no slouch.
  17. Naraxus macrumors 6502a


    Oct 13, 2016
    And in true Apple fashion they'll have the chutzpah to charge a premium price for shipping what amounts to a beta product full of bugs and missing/incomplete features
  18. KeanosMagicHat, Jul 11, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2017

    KeanosMagicHat macrumors 65816


    May 18, 2012
    If this were to happen then Apple would be truly prioritising revenue for 2017 and shareholder expectations over customers.

    Now perhaps that's to be expected in the modern corporate world but, should it ship without several key features - some of which would adversely affect security, then I'd love to see the public give Apple a reality check and hold off buying until these features are confirmed.

    Worst case scenario, we could be talking about a phone with no TouchID and the Facial Recognition alternative not ready at launch.

    Personally, I would not buy that phone as I have no intention of going back to passcode entry every time. I'd wait it out until Apple got their act together and released something secure.

    Normally I would agree that given the supposed closeness to launch, this would seem "unlikely", however, reading between the lines of the many rumours and knowing that Apple likes to work with internally competitive teams on the same product I believe the following may have happened (my speculation of course).

    A while back, Apple were running with at least 3 iPhone X prototype designs, one with TouchID under the screen, one with TouchID on the back and one with 3D Facial Recognition.

    My thoughts are that, at some point, they became more confident that they could realise 2 of these and so dropped the TouchID on the back variant, which from all the rumour feedback they would have seen was extremely unpopular.

    They initially prioritised the TouchID under screen option, whilst keeping the other team competing as a backup.

    Relatively recently they decided they were too far away with this for a timely 2017 launch and flipped over to what they saw was the now easier option of Facial Recognition (whilst still keeping the under screen TouchID team running in the background in case they had a breakthrough).

    Now according to this report, they're rumoured to be having problems with Facial Recognition implementation too, hence the "panic" and speculation on a launch without major features just to try to protect 2017 revenues.

    I've followed all of the rumours reasonably closely and this is my take as I say, reading between the lines.
  19. macsrcool1234 macrumors 65816

    Oct 7, 2010
    can't get a feature that's been out for a decade to work?

  20. EM2013 macrumors 68000


    Sep 2, 2013
    The iPhone 8 is starting to sound more and more like it will be a disappointment.
  21. Mansu944 macrumors 6502

    Mar 11, 2012
  22. BornAgainMac macrumors 603


    Feb 4, 2004
    Florida Resident
    Apple needs to stop trying so hard. Steve is gone so they won't repeat that magic again. Just ship the phone with bezel, slap on the Touch ID 2, a better camera (front and back), and the usual speed improvements and some fresh new colors. People will buy it.
  23. newyorksole macrumors 68040

    Apr 2, 2008
    New York.
    I really wish someone would compile a list of rumors from each iPhone launch and see what and what didn't come to fruition.

    Is Apple having issues now because they're ramping up production? Are they leaking these stories on purpose?

    Idk what's going on, but this launch will be very interesting...
  24. ArtOfWarfare macrumors G3


    Nov 26, 2007
    Unless Apple is planning on doing some real wireless charging (IE, receives a charge even when it's several feet from the power source), I find this story hard to believe.

    Besides the competing phones that have been doing this for nearly a decade, Apple's own Apple Watch has been able to do "wireless charging" for over 2 years now.
  25. Chupa Chupa macrumors G5

    Chupa Chupa

    Jul 16, 2002
    Why kind of "source" is that? The "source" is taking a guess as much as anyone else. Sources are suppose to have actual knowledge. Doesn't sound too knowledgeable to me.

    But I'm sure Apple would love people to actually believe that it's in "panic mode." Makes the presenters look better at the announcement when there are no hitches. If they were really in distress we wouldn't know about it because everyone in the know would be on lockdown x100.

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