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Phil Schiller and Craig Federighi Talk iMessage, Siri API and Mac App Store on 'The Talk Show'

lovehateapple said:
(…) I really wish they would also fix Messages on the Mac. I have lost the ability to screenshare, which was a very useful tool.
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I'm not sure it could be useful to you or not but… I lost the ability to screenshare with an iMac running Mac OS X 10.6.8 from both a MacBook Pro running OS X 10.10 and an iMac running OS X 10.11. But screensharing was OK between the MBP and the second iMac, and also on iPad and iPhone (with a VNC app). To cut a long story short, the problem was due to a bad cache file on the first iMac. After having trashed the Messages/iChat cache (and maybe prefs, I forgot), screensharing was totally restored and have been working fine since… so far!
Just in case it could help…
 
The bummer of the summer is that FaceTime got no love at all. !

They've needed to provide broadcasters with the ability to stream footage etc. It needs periscope like ability I think
 
shareef777 said:
This! The arrogance of Apple. It's like they're telling everyone, if people you know don't have iPhones, they're not worth messaging with.
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Arrogance? Are you serious? Actually, I'd be a little shocked if Apple went forward with that.

There is no issue having an iPhone and messaging back and forth with Android phone users. Simply uses SMS. That has been working fine with me for years messaging the few friends I have that use Android phones. Never an issue.
 
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All this hubbub about lackluster iOS 10/Sierra updates, no Jony, no hardware updates, etc. (personally I don't think iOS 10 is that bad). I can't help but wonder if this is because Apple has reassigned loads of talent and priorities to Project Titan. It would explain why these other things seem to have taken a back seat this year. I'm surprised nobody has really brought this up.

Whether this is ultimately good or bad in the grand scheme of things remains to be seen when the car comes out.
 
JimmyHook said:
These guys hit a home run with iOS 10!
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Way too early to say that! I would only say that if I could seamlessly transfer files to iOS in a visible file system.

And while API is nice for Siri, as it stands now it's still 2 years behind google now. So i'll get excited when I see improvements, not hear about them
 
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TechZeke said:
Unfortunately, this is a hard truth. Joe and Jane could care less about whether their new iPhone is using an A8 or A9, or whether their new MacBook has Skylake when Broadwell and Haswell run perfectly fine.

Its the same deal with why the non-retina MBP continues to sell. In average Joe or Jane's mind:

Mac? - check
CD Drive? - check
cheap? - check
plenty of storage? - check

As much as us Macrumorites hate HDDs, the average joe would choose 500GB HDD over the 128GB SSD every time. They don't really know or care, they just want more storage.
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Yep, and then they say,
Why is my Mac slow?
What is that spinning beachball thing I get all the time?
I got a message that says my hard drive is full??
 
theheadguy said:
Does anyone find it interesting (or even really notice) that the apple execs really dismiss what the people actually want and instead just defend their initial positions. Only when Jobs was there did they ever actually admit when they screwed up. This is a classic executive circle who's focus is on keeping their jobs than making bold decisions based on customer demand.

An earlier commenter said they hit it out of the park with iOS 10. Are they joking? The billions of dollars of resources and sheer numbers of employees and length of time and this is called hitting it out of the park? We've set a very, very low bar to be so impressed by them...
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I think we're all dumbfounded by Apple's descent into mediocrity. It's time to give up on Apple, because we can't save it.
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TechZeke said:
Unfortunately, this is a hard truth. Joe and Jane could care less about whether their new iPhone is using an A8 or A9, or whether their new MacBook has Skylake when Broadwell and Haswell run perfectly fine.

Its the same deal with why the non-retina MBP continues to sell. In average Joe or Jane's mind:

Mac? - check
CD Drive? - check
cheap? - check
plenty of storage? - check

As much as us Macrumorites hate HDDs, the average joe would choose 500GB HDD over the 128GB SSD every time. They don't really know or care, they just want more storage.
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THAT'S what made Steve Jobs different: he successfully pushed quality forward. I've tried that before - it's usually too expensive to accomplish. It was a miracle he succeeded at it - that's why we all were in awe of Apple. Alas, it is no more.
 
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argentum47 said:
Right before WWDC, there were rumors of iMessage becoming open to other platforms such as Android, but where is that now? If that's not happening, and if Apple is making such a big deal out of iMessage as they are doing now, I'd say they're just being arrogant or ignorant or intentionally incompetent. No matter how good iMessage becomes, it will simply not pick up unless it's accessible to all major platforms, except in Apple campus.
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True. I choose a messaging app that uses data and is cross platform among all my friends . iMessage is not an option.
 
theheadguy said:
Does anyone find it interesting (or even really notice) that the apple execs really dismiss what the people actually want and instead just defend their initial positions. Only when Jobs was there did they ever actually admit when they screwed up. This is a classic executive circle who's focus is on keeping their jobs than making bold decisions based on customer demand.
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Well, Cook did admit they messed up in Maps, but yeah you're right (oh and of course there was Job's famous "you're holding it wrong"). I find Schiller to one of the worst offenders when it comes to this. He's been doing this for years. I remember back when people (including myself) were complaining about the glossy screens on Macbook Pros. Phil basically said, "Gotta problem with a glossy screen on your Macbook Pro? Just turn up the brightness." Yeah. Because that all works.

"Phil, the app store sucks for developers..."
"We like it the way it is..."

Sigh.
 
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Mums said:
THAT'S what made Steve Jobs different: he successfully pushed quality forward. I've tried that before - it's usually too expensive to accomplish. It was a miracle he succeeded at it - that's why we all were in awe of Apple. Alas, it is no more.
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And he pushed for products that were a great experience for everyone . These days Apple is compromising thier quality standards if it means targeting a specific demographic if they think it will make them $$$. Wonder how long before before they move Apple HQ to China . Still cannot forget Tim Cook coming out for the keynote and bowing to the Chinese.....how about all the other fans around the world?
 
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About compatibility of the new messaging application with other platforms/apps:

try thinking other way around: don't you all think messaging platforms on other platforms would be interested in getting iOS with it's extreme big user base onboarded on their apps as well?

Maybe then you understand why opening it up and provide an API is such a big deal, it is a problem that will be solved by itself is my belief.
 
swingerofbirch said:
I wonder if these "people" he's talking about are Tim Cook? It seems like the thing he'd be excited about.

The Mac users I know, and like myself, want stability and not gimmicks, and a new file system is the most exciting thing Apple has announced with relevance to the Mac in many years' time.
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People who don't geek on macrumors forum, people who are 18-22 years old, people who aren't techies. And then people who are 40-60 and are technically inept.

normal people. What's odd to techies to comprehend is that technology is now accessible to everyone, including technically completely inept people that don't have a clue whats behind the screen. They're excited about emojis.


I don't care about that, I'm wondering why Apple is suddenly adhering to the market, instead of creating it. I mean, this is what many people here complained, apple not listening to their customers. Now they apparently do, and they make emojis...
 
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They could start by putting some decent software/games on the crapp store , the choice truly is abysmal

I tried buying a golf game for my Dad's tricked out top spec 27 imac and there was nothing worth buying - nothing...
 
argentum47 said:
Right before WWDC, there were rumors of iMessage becoming open to other platforms such as Android, but where is that now? If that's not happening, and if Apple is making such a big deal out of iMessage as they are doing now, I'd say they're just being arrogant or ignorant or intentionally incompetent. No matter how good iMessage becomes, it will simply not pick up unless it's accessible to all major platforms, except in Apple campus.
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I said at the time I hope the rumors were untrue. iMessage is a flagship feature across Apple's platforms and they don't need to give it away to people who make the wrong choice by purchasing Windows PC's or Android smartphones. If you want to be part of the iMessage movement, you buy Apple products.

I'm glad Apple has the confidence to keep things like iMessage exclusively for its customers.
 
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