I've had 5 Macs since 2007, this new 15" is the nicest I have ever owned, the build quality, speed, integration with my other devices, it's all superb.
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Phil Schiller: Apple Working With Consumer Reports to Understand MacBook Pro Battery Test
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I've had 5 Macs since 2007, this new 15" is the nicest I have ever owned, the build quality, speed, integration with my other devices, it's all superb.
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I don't think anyone thinks this. I could be wrong though. Unless you are saying the MP doesn't need an update, but I don't think you are.
Also, I would bet that majority the issues with the MBP can be traced to the design change, more specifically, the thinner design.
Same config as mine. 5.5 hrs battery time max at 25% brightness. I love this machine, except for the battery life & I use this plugged most of the time, nevertheless I will bring it back for a replacement as soon as I get the chance. $4300 CDN for THIS? As a die hard Mac owner since 1991, i'm NOT impressed.
Unfortunately, they don't. Except possibly for the GPU in the 15". CPU is by far the most important part.
There is in fact slightly more drain from 2016 components (higher clocked LPDDR3's, two thunderbolt chips, TouchBar soc+display, stronger LCD backlight, etc.)
The webgl test from arstechnica review clearly shows that. The only time 2016 maintains comparable battery life as 2014/2015 is when mostly idle.
http://arstechnica.co.uk/apple/2016/11/macbook-pro-touch-bar-13-15-inch-touch-bar-review/
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I'd love to hear Phil's explanation of why they used the cheaper, non-Iris intel processors in the 15" model and why they removed optical audio, which hardly anyone has reported but is a huge disappointment for me.
Yes all the new 15" models have discreet graphics now, but it's not like they reserved the Iris Pro graphics for the 15" model sans dGPU last time. They still kept it in the high end models and so they should have!
Yes the new AMD Polaris graphics are more efficient than before, but they're still not as efficient as an on-die solution. The longer you can use on-die graphics without switching to dedicated the better your battery life will be. So by cheapening out and going with low-power non-Iris graphics it implies the system could need to use dedicated graphics more often, impacting battery life.
I'd also like to see comparison of light use graphics performance between the older Iris Pro processor and the newer nom-Iris version. Is scrolling and UI smoothness affected? Nobody has reported on this.
Yes all the new 15" models have discreet graphics now, but it's not like they reserved the Iris Pro graphics for the 15" model sans dGPU last time. They still kept it in the high end models and so they should have!
Yes the new AMD Polaris graphics are more efficient than before, but they're still not as efficient as an on-die solution. The longer you can use on-die graphics without switching to dedicated the better your battery life will be. So by cheapening out and going with low-power non-Iris graphics it implies the system could need to use dedicated graphics more often, impacting battery life.
I'd also like to see comparison of light use graphics performance between the older Iris Pro processor and the newer nom-Iris version. Is scrolling and UI smoothness affected? Nobody has reported on this.
So apple responds with top level C level people to a published issue. Que macrumors complaint train.
The results will be CR was wrong Apple was wrong and now sees the error and can mend it.
The results are true apple has no clue and the stone wall goes up.
Right now the walls are down and they are working together to find out the issues.
The results will be CR was wrong Apple was wrong and now sees the error and can mend it.
The results are true apple has no clue and the stone wall goes up.
Right now the walls are down and they are working together to find out the issues.
Hope it's a good move for you! I've been part of the last 2 major MBP iterations and have more than pleased with the investments. Time to buy into the next iteration but this time around I don't see the benefit. Maybe 2017...
I havs a Macbook 12", first generation. I's never given me more than 6 hours, frequently gives below 5. I went to an apple store and the tech and I went through it. Said there was nothing they could do, but note that the three they had on display would all give different estimates on the battery life when unplugged despite running the same demo cycle.
I wanted to return it with the first two weeks. Unfortunately as i had bought it in Las Vegas and live in the UK, i could only do this if I took it back to the original shop, so no chance as I'm in the UK.
Think with the MacBook and the new Pro, Apple's predicted battery lives have been way out. My previous Mac Pros were always amazing and gave all day batteries.
I wanted to return it with the first two weeks. Unfortunately as i had bought it in Las Vegas and live in the UK, i could only do this if I took it back to the original shop, so no chance as I'm in the UK.
Think with the MacBook and the new Pro, Apple's predicted battery lives have been way out. My previous Mac Pros were always amazing and gave all day batteries.
There are so many OTHER reasons to not recommend this Macbook (insanely high price and even higher once a realistic hard drive is added since 250GB is a size that might satisfy someone in 2006 not 2016, slow GPUs, $400 "touch bar" that's nearly pointless, especially for that kind of money when a touch screen like the Surface allows so many other uses like drawing, a lack of a single USB-A port during the transition period (since almost nothing supports USB-C directly except ironically, everyone else's new phones except Apple's which clings to the non-standard lightning port yet the Macbook offers no such port thus requiring even MORE dongles, etc. etc.)
In other words, there are plenty of reasons to NOT recommend it without even looking at battery life....
In other words, there are plenty of reasons to NOT recommend it without even looking at battery life....
Oh puh-lease, you know you can't win on these forums! After all, Apple releases something and there are issues, - and people complain that if they'd spent more time doing X and Y, there wouldn't be these problems. But then Apple hasn't released a Mac mini or iMac or Mac Pro updates in a while, and we're all clamoring for these new devices NAO!
Apple doesn't owe us anything, - they are a business after all. If people here don't like it, they should go elsewhere! After a while, in the incessant complaining just gets to be a drag...
The battery was not ready, that is why they is a lot of unused space inside the new MacBook Pro, it would of been used the the sculpted battery, Apple had no choice to release a unfinished product.
At least they didn't go with the battery and hope for the best, like Samsung dose.
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How can you go else were, Apple is the only choice.
Xcode, iOS development... until they port it to Windows we are stuck or try a Hackintosh method.
Riiight. So what you are saying is that we should accept computers that dont work as they should and just be grateful they released anything at all ?
Wow.
I've said it before, they open the developer tools up to other platforms and I would never buy another Mac again. I would happily go elsewhere.
The issue was to cricitcal. I am sad cause I now know that the very next unit will have this feature and poof the value of the machine is trash.
Going from a 2008 MBP to a 2016 MBP would be a fantastic upgrade! When I upgraded my maxed-out MBP Pro 2008 15" to a maxed-out rMBP 2012 15" (with SSD) it was also a nice jump in performance. But I don't see that happening moving from my 2012 rMBP to the new MBP 2016. I think you're hearing a lot of pent up frustration more than anything from the community. For people invested in the Apple ecosystem we'd like to think that after a 4 year wait for the next big thing that Apple would actually produce a next big thing level product. Instead, for my needs, we got a not so big thing product.
Absolutely.
Very few here have the courage to go elsewhere. That would require analyzing their situation, researching options, making a decision, taking a bit of risk, and then following through with a purchase to finally get the computer that satisfies their requirements and needs. I sincerely applaud those that have stepped up and have actually taken action.
Sadly, for some, it's much easier to whine like a child than move forward.
Phil Schiller asked me to send over a system diagnostics after I replied to his twitter post on CR.
I think he's made the same request of others by the looks of it so it seems like they're taking the issue seriously.
I think he's made the same request of others by the looks of it so it seems like they're taking the issue seriously.
No, what I'm saying is that these complaints about the battery can be taken with a very sizable grain of salt. I mean, hell, EVERY new iOS update or iPhone is greeted with: "OMG my battery life is so much less now!" I'm telling you, Apple could announce that it's Christmas on the 25th and people would start complaining the day after that their iPhone battery is not lasting as long as it used to prior to Santa's arrival.
Loss of MagSafe, loss of ports, GPU glitching issues, useless touchbar, 16GB RAM limit, soldered SSD, and poor battery life. Oh, and overpriced. Great job Apple !
Oh right so everybody has made it up to spite poor old Apple.
There have been numerous reports of poor battery life from these notebooks from people on Youtube, people on this forum to people on social media and now consumer reports have found the battery life to be erratic. There is an issue, clearly.
Implying that people are making it up is tinfoil hat territory honestly.
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This MacBook Pro is Mac Mini 2.0. A machine that is, in may ways, inferior to the one it replaced.
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Too bad...... I had to buy two laptops and i just ordered a MacPro ......... thanks that i did not order the second one before i read this.....
Yesterday Consumer Reports revealed that Apple's 2016 MacBook Pro became the first MacBook to fail to achieve a recommendation due to inconsistent battery life. Apple SVP Phil Schiller today tweeted that the Cupertino company is working with Consumer Reports to understand the battery tests.
"Working with [Consumer Reports] to understand their battery tests, " Schiller tweeted. "Results do not match our extensive lab tests or field data." Apple claims its internal testing has seen the new MacBook Pro providing up to 10 hours of battery life when watching iTunes movies or browsing the web.
Consumer Reports' test has come under scrutiny since publication of the non-recommendation. The tests were conducted by opening a series of 10 web pages sequentially on Safari. This tests' inconsistency had the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar registering 16 hours, 12.75 hours and 3.75 hours of battery life. A 15-inch MacBook Pro ranged from 18.5 hours to 8 hours of battery life.
When Consumer Reports tried the test with Chrome rather than Safari, it found consistently high battery life. "For this exercise, we ran two trials on each of the laptops, and found battery life to be consistently high on all six runs," the report said. Consumer Reports did not think it was enough data to draw a conclusion, though they also point out their test results only take default browsers into consideration.
Critics, like iMore's Rene Ritchie, argue that inconsistent test results require more testing to ferret out whether the issue is easily fixable, like a Safari glitch. Consumer Reports noted in its report that if Apple issues a software update that it claims will fix battery life inconsistency, they will conduct fresh tests.
Article Link: Phil Schiller: Apple Working With Consumer Reports to Understand MacBook Pro Battery Test
Now just hoping that Apple can solve this..... in the mean time second laptop is on hold ....
I was thinking this too. Nothing made the 2012 Mac mini more popularity than when the 2014 Mac mini was released.
I wonder how many 2015 MBPs the 2016 MBP will help sell?
OK I see the problem...
Consumer Reports is, well, for consumers who buy consumer products and the new MacBook "pro" is for "pros" as per Apples definition
So looks like CR was wrong for testing "pro" computers that are obviously not targeted towards "consumers"
I suppose Apple will work with Consumer Reports by issuing another new system update that blocks the CR website
Sheesh imagine the battery life if Apple went full touch screen instead of just the touch bar
OK that's out of my system. I personally think the issue is a combination of factors, a smaller battery (we will shrink the battery 30% since the components use 30% less power etc...) with defects, software optimization, perhaps software using too much battery running in the background keeping tabs on the system itself causing battery drain.
I have a 15" 2012 MBP non retina that I upgraded the ram on as well a 256gb SSD when I got it. The thing needs to be retired and I have yet to update the os on it to anything more recent. The new MBP just don't do it for me. The touchbar, well it's a novel idea but unnecessary, kind of like the "edge bar" on my s7 edge.
Maybe it's time to build a desktop again. It's been a long time since I've used Windows, I have a surface pro 3 i5 running Windows 10 but it's not getting much use since I got it. I'm not sure on a Windows laptop to work on because the crapware installed on a lot of them.
Dang an updated MBP would be nice but I just can't.
Consumer Reports is, well, for consumers who buy consumer products and the new MacBook "pro" is for "pros" as per Apples definition
So looks like CR was wrong for testing "pro" computers that are obviously not targeted towards "consumers"
I suppose Apple will work with Consumer Reports by issuing another new system update that blocks the CR website
Sheesh imagine the battery life if Apple went full touch screen instead of just the touch bar
OK that's out of my system. I personally think the issue is a combination of factors, a smaller battery (we will shrink the battery 30% since the components use 30% less power etc...) with defects, software optimization, perhaps software using too much battery running in the background keeping tabs on the system itself causing battery drain.
I have a 15" 2012 MBP non retina that I upgraded the ram on as well a 256gb SSD when I got it. The thing needs to be retired and I have yet to update the os on it to anything more recent. The new MBP just don't do it for me. The touchbar, well it's a novel idea but unnecessary, kind of like the "edge bar" on my s7 edge.
Maybe it's time to build a desktop again. It's been a long time since I've used Windows, I have a surface pro 3 i5 running Windows 10 but it's not getting much use since I got it. I'm not sure on a Windows laptop to work on because the crapware installed on a lot of them.
Dang an updated MBP would be nice but I just can't.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/1...is-good-but-its-missing-all-the-cool-stuff/4/
In light weight web browsing usage, the Mac book pro got 16hrs but in another web browsing test with webgl, the mbp got 2h 13m.