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Phil Schiller: Apple Working With Consumer Reports to Understand MacBook Pro Battery Test
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You're right about one thing: it took Apple 4 years to introduce a new MacBook Pro. So no, they didn't rush
I'm glad CR is posting their objective reports because it seems that Apple customers only don't push Apple to any move except removing the battery percentage.
It's time for a company the size of Apple to act like a big innovative company again. At least a product refresh of all their selling products once a year. It's technology, not antiques. Together with that they should push their software and services to be at least on par with the competition. If they keep going like they did the past 4 years, their volatile small ecosystem will go extinct.
Sometimes you don't make excessive money in the short term by selling products to extent the ecosystem. In the long term customers will act like company representatives (what made Apple great in the past) by telling how seamlessly great the Apple products work together and how happy you're with it. Today I can't find a reason to recommend any of Apple products to my friends or family. How times have changed. It's sad
It's well known on the MBP forum I have one. Thanks for your fail post of the day. Merry Christmas
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Of course. People at Apple would read your opinion and laugh at your zero innovation life. It's easy to judge and post some random silly comment on the internet. Apple always leads from the front but there will always be people just criticising and talking smack.
Because winners think about winning. Losers think about winners.
It's well known on the MBP forum I have one. Thanks for your fail post of the day. Merry Christmas
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Of course. People at Apple would read your opinion and laugh at your zero innovation life. It's easy to judge and post some random silly comment on the internet. Apple always leads from the front but there will always be people just criticising and talking smack.
Because winners think about winning. Losers think about winners.
Tell me where's Apple leading? And please act a bit more polite. It's Christmas
It's well known on the MBP forum I have one. Thanks for your fail post of the day. Merry Christmas
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Merry Christmas to you. You really need to stop assuming what people think or know on these forums. Google "doubt", also you are not that important to assume people follow/read your comments
maybe with more courtesy towards other members your posts would not be ignored and people would know you own a new MacBook Pro. Your self importance is the fail here.On topic. Can we stop making up stupid percentages in these forum guys? The assumptions and percentages being Throw around is poor form, no one here has any idea what percentage of people own, don't own, have issues etc, it's just arrogant patronising behaviour in my opinion. If you own a new MacBook Pro, how about trying to help those with issues instead of taking the piss out of them . Don't assume everyone uses a tool the same as another. Which ever camp you are in, have a civilised discussion with someone of the opposite view and try each other's settings, you will realise you are both probably wrong and there is a middle ground .
I've had really constructive communication over messaging, been helped and helped others
And merry Xmas!
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Apple should spin off its Mac business and give it to someone else. That way the Mac gets more attention. It's in dire need of it.
And 95% of stats are made up and 100s of people on here agree with me and 100s of people on here disagree with me...
I'm assuming you have data to back up your facts?
With my new fully specced 2016 15 inch touchbar. 2.9 460 Radeon, I'm getting 5 hours with 10 basic web pages open in safari with two YouTube STandard definition videos playing simultaneously non stop.
I tested it against my 2015 mid 15inch retina and the battery results were actually the same. I lose 1 % battery every 3 mins in this setup with both this yeas and last years computer.
Presumably CR's test suite was rigorous putting the laptop under a standardized reasonable real-life computational load in their battery life test suite.
What you're saying is a 19 1/2 hour result, almost twice as long as Apple's published maximum battery life spec, is a reasonable number and should not have caused CR to blink an eye or wonder in the slightest if their tests and procedures may have been faulty, or if the tests had been properly administered and monitored for accuracy.
What number would pique your curiosity and cause you to wonder? 25 hours? Maybe 40 hours? How about 100 hours?
Go ahead, pick a number that would give pause and motivate you to look even a little bit deeper to try and understand what's going on. If you won't pick a number, I'll assume you're totally fine with 100 hours.
Would any of those results cause you to say, "Hmmm... Something is wrong, the laptop is seemingly executing our suite of rigorous tests as expected (loading web pages, playing video , whatever, etc), but the battery is lasting what seems like (relatively) forever - I wonder if there's something wrong with our test procedures, and if they're being administered and monitored properly." Otherwise, do you see anything wrong with that lack of intellectual curiosity?
It's as if they were saying, well, the laptop was hooked up and turned on doing our standard set of tests as expected, and yes we got a battery life result that's almost twice as large as Apple's published maximum battery life number, but that's cool, it must be true, no need to look further, or even wonder about our test procedures.
What if CR were testing, say a Ford F150 truck with their optional eight cylinder engine, one which might have an EPA mileage rating of, say, 15 - 21 MPG. And they conducted a set of mileage tests over a closed loop course where they got 41 MPG in one set, would you find anything strange about that? If not, why not? Would you expect they might want to investigate the reliability of their test protocols and procedures? If not, why not?
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I like to think of Macs as the Apple's tires. Its cheap and small portion of an automobile, but without it nothing works.
Maybe they should split Apple and make Macintosh Inc. and iPhone Inc. , maybe Tim likes that, if Macintosh is too much for him to handle.
Macs are a huge market, and as for the iphone, you can easily see the iPhone's market is going to shake if it stays as is.
Google is pushing forward like crazy, and Microsoft seems like its not going to sit and watch, all the while Tim can not let go of his iOS designed to compete against 2007 cellphones.
Yes and something tells me that in about a year (or less) the MacBook Pros will be silently updated to Kaby Lake with better battery design (the one you allude to) and in my opinion that will be the one to upgrade to rather than the ones we have at the moment.
The 13" MBP is not the MBA upgrade or replacement. Allot of people love how the air is beveled down.The 13" MBP is the MBA with a retina screen - the most impressive Air ever made.
Let's rewind time for a moment. It's Thursday, October 27, and Apple's event is under way.
Imagine that instead of introducing the new MacBook Pro, Apple unveiled a new MacBook Air. One that's 12 percent lighter, 13 percent smaller by volume and practically the same weight -- but manages to cram in a faster Intel processor, faster graphics, plus the far sharper, brighter and more colorful Retina Display the MacBook Air so desperately needed.
Sure, it starts at $1,500 rather than $1,000, but you get twice the solid-state storage for the price -- and you can double the RAM, quadruple the storage and get the awesome new Touch Bar secondary screen with Touch ID fingerprint sensor if you're willing to pay even more.
How long has your MacBook Air had a 1.6GHz processor? This new one is 2.0GHz or 2.9GHz; there's even a 3.3GHz option.
And sure, it's got a thinner keyboard and only two (or four) general-purpose Thunderbolt 3 ports instead of handy full-size USB ports and SD card slots. But we, Apple, figured you'd rather have a more accurate keyboard and amazing single-cable Thunderbolt 3 docking options to go with your mobile MacBook Air lifestyle.
Now, you can pull your MacBook Air right out of your manila envelope and plug in a single cable to charge it, dock with your peripherals and power multiple monitors all at the same time.
Oh, and one more thing: we knew you'd like the MacBook Air so much, we built a 15-inch model. You won't believe how fast it is -- this Air has a quad-core CPU that's 50 percent faster than last year's MacBook Pro! The graphics are over twice as fast, and yet we've kept the same 10 hour battery life as the 13-inch version.
If you've ever wanted to edit photos or home videos on a MacBook Air, this computer's for you. Oh, and it comes standard with the Touch Bar and Touch ID, too.
We think you're going to love the new MacBook Air. It's the best MacBook we've ever made.
The only thing the Air did not have was a better display but even with that said there are people that love the screen it has.
Apple botched this according to the people that own one of the newer systems. Wait and see either they'll rewrite the code to give you that warm and fuzzy feeling that you have more battery life then you really do or there will be a new improved version of the MBP line with bigger and better battery's. I for one cannot get over the cheesy keyboard's there using. The macbook can't be that great either, and I say this based on what I see in the refurbished section of apples site.
What if it's Not Phil Schiller working with Consumer Reports but Apples legal department working with Consumer Reports?
Merry Christmas
all Tim Cook would say is "we have so many great products in the pipeline"You're right about one thing: it took Apple 4 years to introduce a new MacBook Pro. So no, they didn't rush
I'm glad CR is posting their objective reports because it seems that Apple customers only don't push Apple to any move except removing the battery percentage.
It's time for a company the size of Apple to act like a big innovative company again. At least a product refresh of all their selling products once a year. It's technology, not antiques. Together with that they should push their software and services to be at least on par with the competition. If they keep going like they did the past 4 years, their volatile small ecosystem will go extinct.
Sometimes you don't make excessive money in the short term by selling products to extent the ecosystem. In the long term customers will act like company representatives (what made Apple great in the past) by telling how seamlessly great the Apple products work together and how happy you're with it. Today I can't find a reason to recommend any of Apple products to my friends or family. How times have changed. It's sad
where you hack fraud!?
Do you understand why it's been in use since the 50s? Cause it's perfect.
That is definitely what they should do: split the Macintosh into its own division.
Phil Shiller went on to say:
"I dont know what i'm doing, anyone know how batteries work? What about using aa batteries in the next Mac Pro - who needs mains power right? That is so 1980s tech anyway. Oh and it is safe to solder on aa batteries to your wifes oven?"
"I dont know what i'm doing, anyone know how batteries work? What about using aa batteries in the next Mac Pro - who needs mains power right? That is so 1980s tech anyway. Oh and it is safe to solder on aa batteries to your wifes oven?"
Brand new MacBook Pro 2016 15", 2.9, 460 Radeon, 1 TB.
Tests with discrete graphics.
Playing Dirt 3:
1 hour and 10 minutes.
Too complicated?
"for" loop on Matlab that counts numbers from 1 to 1E9 (SINGLE core):
1 hour and 10 minutes.
With Intel graphics I get the already mentioned 5-6 hours of simple continuous browsing (no videos).
(How the hell do people get 10 hours or more?!?!?! Seriously.....I barely interacted with the machine and still got those numbers.....)
No Dropbox, No "photos" synchronisation, etc.
I'm desperate....I really need a new computer....I can't go back to windows.....I really really can't.........
Tests with discrete graphics.
Playing Dirt 3:
1 hour and 10 minutes.
Too complicated?
"for" loop on Matlab that counts numbers from 1 to 1E9 (SINGLE core):
1 hour and 10 minutes.
With Intel graphics I get the already mentioned 5-6 hours of simple continuous browsing (no videos).
(How the hell do people get 10 hours or more?!?!?! Seriously.....I barely interacted with the machine and still got those numbers.....)
No Dropbox, No "photos" synchronisation, etc.
I'm desperate....I really need a new computer....I can't go back to windows.....I really really can't.........
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The update was to remove a visible timer. It was a mind game effect, like when you watch a pot of water boil with no clock, it seems to take forever.
Take a look at arstechnica's review, they also got 2hrs 13m when doing more intensive web browsing that had webgl usage.
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Why would it be better for recycling to have a soldered RAM rather than a DIMM? Sorry I don't get it.
With regards to 'the planet matters':
By having a machine that can easily be upgraded (at least RAM and hard drive), one can extend the lifetime - I have a 2008 (!) MBP 15" in the family that with help of an SSD and new battery runs still perfectly fine. That is an eight (!) year old machine. With a soldered in hard drive it would have been thrown away years ago. Extended usage (i.e. avoiding waste) is certainly better than recycling. So I call BS on that argument, sorry.
Get a 2015 model like I did.
https://medium.com/@Pier/why-i-bought-a-2015-macbook-pro-fadf27ab4b#.nk10gv3nv
I have the mid 2015 MacBook Pro 15 maxed out version and it gives the exact same battery performance as the new 2016 equivalent.
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Hi there, I'm finding my MacBook Pro 2015 gives the same short battery life as my new 2016 Macbook pro touchbar model.
3 hours for video editing SD non 4K.
5 hours playing two YouTube videos simultaneously. On both machines.