Apple don't embrace anything they dont have a monopoly on. If memory serves me correct weren't they on the HD DVD group that lost out to Blu-Ray? Sour grapes?
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Phil Schiller Claims Customers Aren't Asking for Built-In Blu-Ray Anymore
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Actually it's 12.50 a month + transfer. It can get pricy... compared to a $2.50 blu-ray.
I'm amused by the fact that Apple is supposed to be big on quality, and Apple consumers cheer the high quality of their products, yet most have no idea what quality media content looks like. Flawless products that play blocky Legoland crap content, and people love it because it was easy to call up? Yeah, it's easy to eat out at McDonald's instead of cooking real food, too... but McDonald's food sucks, and so does streaming.
Looks like some are STILL telling other people what they do and don't need. Why do you care if someone wants to use an optical disc?
An AVR is an audio-video receiver. It's used to amplify sound from audio sources and route video signals to your TV from various sources such as DVD/Blu-ray players, game consoles and AirPlay compatible devices (MacBook, iMac, Mac mini and iOS devices).
Maybe you don't like watching movies at home (or you don't like movies at all), but you should accept that you're in a very small minority.
I doubt I will understand people telling me I do not use or need something even after saying I use it all the time. I know someone that does not use a smart phone and I am quite sure those are not dead. Personally I cannot think if anything as dead when it is current and still being released.
Some may not wish to use it, calling it dead just because they do not want it is a but silly
Wow dude 124 thumbs up just for this!!
Lets see .... Blu-Ray quality HD movies to download (unsure the time on a 10mbps download bandwidth) - mixed while 2/4 iPhone 5s surfing on the same network, maybe an iPad along with it streaming/surfing ... 2 computers doing the same if not more ... adds up the bandwidth congestion.
Let's imagine not everyone in the western world has that kind of bandwidth by their providers or has data caps - thank goodness I no longer suffer that or the overage costs (rapage).
Lastly ... you need to re-download for ALL your devices when you wish to continue watching them from where you left off ... just pray your iPhone/iPad is not on 3G and no wifi when that occurs - AT&T Suga Daddy.
This is the question that 30 pages of moaning still hasn't resolved. I just received two more Blurays today that I'm planning to watch on my television. Not feeling a single bit of regret that my Macbook or Mac Pro don't have a BluRay drive so that I can watch on a monitor.
For people saying "I want to be able to stream through Apple TV!", uh, BluRay players can be found for $50. Again, haven't seen a compelling argument for them to be included in Macs for reasons other than piracy *cough* I mean "backing up" content.
No one said it was. You like arguing things that no one has argued or wants to argue don't you ?
You need to read between the lines a bit, but there is a lot of truth (and ********) in what he is saying. I think he is correct anout the marginal usage for data/installation, but I think they are being self-serving when he talks about the problems with blu-ray.
I think that the real truth is that media corps, Apple, and to some extent consumers are not really interested (corps for financial reasons) in pushing media consumption from the living room to the desktop. Most of the digital sources have been driven by the cost and convenience rather than being the ideal method of enjoying content.
The tough nut to crack (and the reason Apple TV hasn't been canned ) is the creation of a device that can bring the convenience/cost if the digital services to the natural center of home media consumption, the TV.
I think that the real truth is that media corps, Apple, and to some extent consumers are not really interested (corps for financial reasons) in pushing media consumption from the living room to the desktop. Most of the digital sources have been driven by the cost and convenience rather than being the ideal method of enjoying content.
The tough nut to crack (and the reason Apple TV hasn't been canned ) is the creation of a device that can bring the convenience/cost if the digital services to the natural center of home media consumption, the TV.
My only device I own that can play movies of any type is my laptop so when I go to buy one it must do everything. I used to own more, at this time I want all in one systems regardless of the type.
I've yet to hear anyone ask for a thinner or lighter iMac either...
I have heard people asking for cooler and quieter iMacs and for iMacs with desktop CPUs & GPUs.
This made me laugh
I for one have never asked for thinner or lighter and certainly not at the expense of the OD. At this stage it's still cheaper and more convenient for us to purchase product over the counter or via ebay than downloading and yes the computers do get used for viewing. Anyway goodluck to them I don't know why they just don't put an over-sized i-Pad on a pole and call that an imac. ;-)This hurts everyone as we all own physical media whether it is our favourite tv sitcom on dvd or a movie on blu ray we all use physical discs. By getting a external drive only takes up more space and diminishes the purposes of an all in one computer.
I have taken the painful road to start preparing by getting all my movies on iTunes as all new apple have ousted the optical drive i personally don't want another box taking up space.
I'am now looking at sony as they seem to be the main driver in next generation media technology with beta max in the 80s than blu ray than 3d and whatever their next playstation holds with their pc line also doing away with the optical drive, the playstation may also go drive less and spell an crushing end to the cd format that seems to have been around forever.
I have taken the painful road to start preparing by getting all my movies on iTunes as all new apple have ousted the optical drive i personally don't want another box taking up space.
I'am now looking at sony as they seem to be the main driver in next generation media technology with beta max in the 80s than blu ray than 3d and whatever their next playstation holds with their pc line also doing away with the optical drive, the playstation may also go drive less and spell an crushing end to the cd format that seems to have been around forever.
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This made me laugh
Sure they will get there, streamline is good and all, They are just going too far.
Not recordable discs. I've had CD/DVD-Rs go transparent on me after 4 years.
...course I could've stored them better, but still. They're not designed to last nearly as long as an actual etched disc.
What's the size of a 4K movie?
An uncompressed 2 hour 4K movie (4096 x 2160, 24fps, 16-bit) is about 3TB; that's "Terabytes" as in "1024 GB."
Now I don't know how efficient H.265 (the successor to H.264) will be, but I doubt that compressed 4K movies will be able to fit into less than 100GB. I hope that your internet connection is not capped.
Really? Oh dear.
NEWS FLASH - Customers finally get it after a decade of buying Macs, that blue-ray would never come.
You can't even get 4K yet, apart from Home made movies.
And don't even think about streaming it..... The more its cimoressed, the longer it takes to un-compress. Processing helps, but it won't help much nere.
And since no one can watch 4K yet unless you have the screen for it, and hardware devices, then i expect it would be crap quality.
4k may look great, but the methid of comprssion used will ruin the quality.. I doubt it would compress well, unless we get better, above H.264.
NEWS FLASH - Customers finally get it after a decade of buying Macs, that blue-ray would never come.
You can't even get 4K yet, apart from Home made movies.
And don't even think about streaming it..... The more its cimoressed, the longer it takes to un-compress. Processing helps, but it won't help much nere.
And since no one can watch 4K yet unless you have the screen for it, and hardware devices, then i expect it would be crap quality.
4k may look great, but the methid of comprssion used will ruin the quality.. I doubt it would compress well, unless we get better, above H.264.
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Should People who want to use optical discs be allowed to do so?
OF COURSE. Yes. Affirmative. I do it myself. I have a secret stash of blank DVDs. (I hope they don't expire, though, because it's been a couple of years since I last dipped into it.) I occasionally rip a CD or DVD from my collection.
Should every iMac/MacBook Pro/Mac Mini come with a built-in optical disc drive?
Not any more. Most people don't need optical disc drive. Those who need or want one can easily attach an external drive. Those who want one semipermanently attached to a single computer can fix it in place with duct tape, or mount it on a shelf under the display. Those who very rarely need one may be able to borrow one from a friend (provided the friend hasn't affixed it with duct tape). People or families or business with multiple Apple computers can move a single SuperDrive around from computer to computer depending on who needs it.
Online or just pick it up before, after work, while running errands etc..
I imagine if people use them as coasters otherwise I have never had issues with keeping my discs perfect.
Being orgainzed is not hard, however standard dvd cases take up too much room, that started to annoy me after a few years. I really had no intrest looking in a movie rental store.
I really only did DVD and Blu-ray myself, kind of done aside from renting, how much longer will they continue to go, regardless of the format, if there were 4K downloads, new tvs and people would try and buy everything all over again, I upgrated to a point, I am getting to where streaming HD content will be good enough because I just will not care enough about buying everything.
Speaking for myself having to use an external on system that costs over a couple hundred is a deal breaker, I know what I want and for now that is a no go. A few years from now? Who knows.
This guy has it absolutely right. Like him I want the Apple alternative medium that:
-I can only get through an Apple-controlled store and only play on Apple-approved devices (ultimately a single source monopoly over all media is THE way forward; a monopoly always maximizes value for us consumers)
-I do not actually own even if I "buy" it (see lifetime license terms: you don't own iTunes-purchased media)
-I cannot give away to someone else so that they can get full use of it
-I cannot resell to anyone else so that they get full use as it's new owner
-I cannot will away to others when I die
-I cannot loan to others so they can watch it on their own equipment
-Often costs more than the BD version of the same film or show
-Significantly trades off maximum quality picture by more deeply compressing the videos to fit in smaller file sizes
-Only supports a surround sound format established in 1992 instead of the many superior formats that have come out since
-Is yet another distribution medium that will be outmoded (see Betamax, VHS, LaserDisc, CDROM, DVD).
Are people really not getting this?
I own Apple stuff too and I likeTV & itunes just fine. But I know spin when I see it and Phil's last name is pretty fitting for his role when it comes to matters like this. BD delivers far superior picture & sound. There's nothing wrong with Apple taking a stand against it, but how about doing so by at least getting fully toe-to-toe with it in it's most fundamental & important benefits? Some of us cheering on an inferior format just because Apple says so is- IMO- pitiful.
Excellent Rebuttal. I'm all for digital content but I want to fully OWN IT. I don't have to pay to redownload it ... if I cancel my ID then I no longer have access to it in a streaming service, a download service the the drm prevents me from being able to play it back.
What I really don't understand is this reasoning behind DRM?! The record company's pushed radio stations to play their new/old content to increase awareness, essentially sharing the music for free, all the while Cassette players had something really wonderfully free ... the Record button
. Back in the 70's all the way until the early 90's (as CD's & MiniDiscs debuted) I LOVED being able to record music to keep me feeling alive and motivated to goto the HMV or similar store to purchase it! The major labels STILL made hands over fist full of dollars despite radio and cassette recording.Why do you need Bluray for watching movies on a laptop? DVD should be fine. If you really want the best, that's your prerogative, but I would be surprised if there is a huge audience of people craving Bluray quality because they do all their movie viewing on laptops.
This isn't directed at you specifically, but there are so many people arguing about the superior video and audio experience with Bluray, along with the many extras that come with more deluxe packages (all of which I go along with) -- yet their idea of a viewing experience for such a quality medium is on a computer monitor or laptop. What a waste.
You do know, that Cd and or Dvd Will die eventually, the way of the floppy disk.
Then what will you say?
Streaming all the way? Companies who dictate what we can, and can't watch
The only Macbook in exsustant that still has optical you can buy is the 2.3 Gig MacBook Pro... But I reckon Apple will get rid if this too...
Its just a matter of time,..
This is why I'm hanging into this as long as possible. Same with iPad 3.
Its fine for Apple to get in supplies for the mini, but thats no *reason* to ditch it overnight.
They would of ditched the iPad 2 then as well. I don't think resolution would have played any part here either. It was just "because we wanted to" type scheme.
Then what will you say?
Streaming all the way? Companies who dictate what we can, and can't watch
The only Macbook in exsustant that still has optical you can buy is the 2.3 Gig MacBook Pro... But I reckon Apple will get rid if this too...
Its just a matter of time,..
This is why I'm hanging into this as long as possible. Same with iPad 3.
Its fine for Apple to get in supplies for the mini, but thats no *reason* to ditch it overnight.
They would of ditched the iPad 2 then as well. I don't think resolution would have played any part here either. It was just "because we wanted to" type scheme.
I would not buy a computer with optical drive, they take space, they are useless for me, they broke up more easily, they are big, they are loud, you need to burn them to write data. Blueray sucks too. The future is digital, naturally you will have compromised for many years with quality, but already a 1080 iTunes rent have an amazing quality considering it comes from internet.
I can see Blueray decline already so it makes no sense to have it by default, naturally you can plug it external. Like now, if you buy a retina MBP and sometimes you need a dvd you can buy the external unit and use only at home for example, it is stupid to have bulky computer, even desktop ones mainly because an old optical drive.
I can see Blueray decline already so it makes no sense to have it by default, naturally you can plug it external. Like now, if you buy a retina MBP and sometimes you need a dvd you can buy the external unit and use only at home for example, it is stupid to have bulky computer, even desktop ones mainly because an old optical drive.