yes it does go look at the specs. The cellular version has A-GPS just like every iphone and ipad.
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Phil Schiller comparing iPad Mini to Nexus 7
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Of course. The mini is a capable device, but if you are shopping and do not care about the eco system, then you compare them spec for spec, in that case I still think the Nexus 7 is a better value.
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Ah the cell version, not the wifi version.
I really don't know how many "average" people would compare specs. Most people are more familiar with iPad. So their choice is iPad, or (what they perceive as) a cheap knock-off. Who knows, the cheap price of the Nexus 7 may be off-putting to some.
I think the Nexus 7 is a fantastic device. But I enjoy my "apple experience" that transcends what device I'm using.
I have all 3 iPads and the Nexus 7. The screen is ok. Nothing to get excited about. It's certainly not any better than the iPad 2, IMHO
I own the Nexus 7 and I can tell that the display is nowhere Apple quality. The price is something that wins from the iPad mini, but you get plastic build quality.
Moreover, Quad Core doesnt mean its better at doing everyday task. I believe the mini is fast enough for our everyday use.
Im getting the mini and ditching the Nexus soon.
Moreover, Quad Core doesnt mean its better at doing everyday task. I believe the mini is fast enough for our everyday use.
Im getting the mini and ditching the Nexus soon.
you have to see the pictures to make that decision.. These two comparison pictures did it for me as far as app experience and web surfing experience go. The early hand on review seems to indicate the image is pretty sharp on Ipad mini with the lower resolution. Superior spec does not translate in superior experience, it seems. And the build quality go to Ipad mini with the early hand on review (aluminum vs plastic)..
The issue is that the wifi doesnt have GPS. And the benefit of GPS on a wifi model is that on the Nexus 7 then the maps are downloadable so you can be offline and still have your nexus 7 be a 7" GPS navigator. Thats a pretty huge benefit for a $200 product.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57538617-251/fact-checking-phil-schiller-on-ipad-mini-vs-nexus-7/
if you check who wrote the article on cnet it's clear: butthurt android fan reporting in!
if you check who wrote the article on cnet it's clear: butthurt android fan reporting in!
Something else to bear in mind is that Android is more resource intensive than iOS, so you need a higher-spec Android device to work as well as a lower-spec iOS device. This is not a flaw, per se, but it does put a different slant on comparing the two devices based on specs alone.
A-GPS is not fail. WiFi-assisted GPS gets a lock on your position quicker than GPS without WiFi-assist.
I agree that GPS on the WiFi device would be a nice feature to have, but you can share your iPhone's GPS when tethering your iPad.
A-GPS is not fail. WiFi-assisted GPS gets a lock on your position quicker than GPS without WiFi-assist.
I agree that GPS on the WiFi device would be a nice feature to have, but you can share your iPhone's GPS when tethering your iPad.
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Seems like Phil was simply cherry picking (in order to sell iPad mini's) and the cnet writer didn't like the one-sided affair so he wrote an article showing the fanboyishness of the claims.
I was able to compare a Nexus 7 and Kindle HD side by side. There was no iPad in the vicinity. The Nexus has grainy text. I didn't find it overly washed out, but it would not be great for reading unless you blow up the font sizes. The Kindle on the other hand has a beautiful screen but a gimped OS.
I think for non geek, non Prime members, the Mini may be a better choice. This is of course pending seeing one in person.
Again....Do you remember all the fandroids talking about galaxyIII and how much better it was because quad core and it turns out that the dual core in the iphone 5 smokes the SIII in benchmarks...Just watch, the quadcore in the nexus may be the same deal...
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It's not about Specs, it's about the experience.
It's really simple and Apple have been so transparent about it for years now I can't believe how non of the competition seem to have realised.
Phil was dead on about the difference in experience and no amount of cores will change that.
It's so simple yet a lot of people don't seem to be able to see the wood for the trees.
It's really simple and Apple have been so transparent about it for years now I can't believe how non of the competition seem to have realised.
Phil was dead on about the difference in experience and no amount of cores will change that.
It's so simple yet a lot of people don't seem to be able to see the wood for the trees.
Except he didn't really refute the claims. For example:
"Schiller was quick to suggest that there's a huge difference when you tack on that 9/10th of an inch. Sure, when factoring in the total viewable screen, the iPad Mini has 29.6 inches of space where the Nexus 7 has 21.9 inches. But is that really a big deal? Though Schiller says yes, let's take his logic and apply it elsewhere."
Schiller showed how it is a big deal. The easiest way to know that Schiller was correct is that the writer could not show concrete examples of the 16:9 screen when it comes to browsing, all he could do is say 'what about the iPhone'.
"I happen to love being able to hop from one open tab to another. The soft keys across the bottom come in very handy when going back or jumping to another Android app. Yes, it's true that they don't specifically factor into the Web experience, but many Android users like them. And their opinion isn't wrong because Apple says so."
iOS browsers have tabs as well, and there is no denying that the space given to the soft-keys takes away from the usible screen space. You know what iOS users like? No needing soft-keys taking up screen space to get to the multitasking tray, or swicthing apps, we do it with gestures or a physical button.
"Also, while I'm being honest, Android developers do not have to write for tablets now that we've gone back to unifying the platform at Ice Cream Sandwich. Apps can revert to scaling on a larger display, yes, but that's only if the developer doesn't write them to perform differently. Should developers take advantage of the tools at their disposal, they can write one app that operates and displays differently across many sizes. To me, this sounds better than writing one for phones and another for tablets."
This doesn't address that tablet-optimized interfaces are better than interfaces optimized for phones and scaled up. Whether its a single app that does both or separate apps is irrelevant, and it's now common that a single universal app combines the two. Apple made a pretty big deal over Honeycomb and the fact that it was tablet-optimized which proves that tablet-optimized on a tablet is always better than phone-optimized on a tablet.
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Hmmm so I am out in the middle of London on vacation and I want to find the closest train station. I pull out my ipad mini...OH NO, no wifi, no GPS...FAIL! Yes, major FAIL. Having GPS where I have wifi is useless. If I have wifi I KNOW WHERE I AM and I can use the internet to KNOW where to go. Once I leave the wifi hot spot the mini GPS is a total useless fail.
Yet my Nexus can tell me at anytime, anywhere, where I am and how to get there, no wifi, no cell needed. Couple it with a nice map app, like Garmin, TomTom or Navigon and I have POIs and turn by turn directions when and where I need it. THAT is true GPS, anything else, no matter what you call it is not GPS.
I shouldn't have to use my data plan or tether a device for GPS.
Oh really? Those pictures did it for you? At the iPhone 5 event.. they should have showed a webpage on the iPhone 5 next to a webpage of a Galaxy S3/Galaxy Note 2 then.
Dude. It's advertising. Honda puts their cars next to a Toyota and says the same thing, regardless of what you believe. And someone above called Phil Schiller a fanboy. Duh! He IS the fanboy. He's paid millions per year to be THE fanboy for Apple. Is that really such a problem. Don't think the Google guys are doing the same fandroid BS. Don't believe Apple's arguments? Fine. But they can make them all the same. Me? I don't buy Google's arguments.
Well, I don't have an Iphone and I don't intend to buy an Iphone 5. But I would say that Note 2 and S3 big screen improve the web surfing experience but the size make the device not very portable. It is a design trade off that I think Samsung did not get it right. You can tell from the sales number. It sell well as a niche device but not one that apply to the majority of customers.
I have an Ipad 3 and I want to buy an Ipad mini. I have a Samsung infuse and it is totally useless when surfing web in landscape mode. And what did it for me in the presentation is that he convinced me N7 (and all Android 7 inches tablet) webserving in landscape mode is as useless as my infuse and Ipad mini 4:3 ratio and bigger screen is helpful. Is web surfing my only criteria in buying a small tablet? Of course not. The superior construction (I read at least 30 hand on review and everyone of them cited the construction of Ipad mini as superior) count for something. My investment in IOS games count for something. And I have a choice of LTE/WIFI model count for something. I read a lot and the 4:3 ratio work for me.. And the best way to look at it is that the 4Q sale number of N7 vs Kindle Fire HD vs Ipad mini will tell the tales of what real customers choose. We all have our preference but it doesn't mean general public has the same preference.
The entire difference between an apple product, every single apple product, and an android or windows product, is one word: polish.
I'm not talking about absolute polish, but relative polish. An apple product sells b/c it's much much more polished than anything else out there--in looks, and in the user experience. They are not perfect, b/c there are bugs, but compared to everything else out there, they are obviously, undeniably more polished.
Yes, a Nexus 7 ticks all the boxes. So does a Samsung Galaxy SIII. So does a nice thinkpad. They all have a certain degree of polish, but nowhere near what an apple product has. You can do and accomplish whatever you need to get done on any of these products. Just not as well as you can on an apple product. Whether the price premium is worth it is up to you. I've got no love for apple itself. I think they are elitist and way too controlling and secretive, but their stuff is the best at this particular time.
I'm not talking about absolute polish, but relative polish. An apple product sells b/c it's much much more polished than anything else out there--in looks, and in the user experience. They are not perfect, b/c there are bugs, but compared to everything else out there, they are obviously, undeniably more polished.
Yes, a Nexus 7 ticks all the boxes. So does a Samsung Galaxy SIII. So does a nice thinkpad. They all have a certain degree of polish, but nowhere near what an apple product has. You can do and accomplish whatever you need to get done on any of these products. Just not as well as you can on an apple product. Whether the price premium is worth it is up to you. I've got no love for apple itself. I think they are elitist and way too controlling and secretive, but their stuff is the best at this particular time.
I'm sorry that I seem to say this a lot but...
Nonsense. The iPad Mini will sell well because it's a great device period. And if it's name has anything to do with it, then it's because the iPad is a great device with a great reputation. The Mini is no less.
About the sales of the Galaxy S3.. from it's release until the day the iPhone 5 was released.. the S3 was beating the 4S in sales.. so not really a "niche" market. Beating the iPhone in sales is HUGE. Trust me though, I agree.. I prefer the 4:3 aspect ratio to the 16:10. But Phil was very misleading. The Nexus 7 has great build quality. He stated it was made of plastic.. only a small portion is made of plastic and it is not even noticeable. The front is glass, and the back is rubber.. however the rubber literally feels like leather.
While I agree with the mini's aspect ratio, however the same points he was made could be applied to the iPhone 5. Hmmm...
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Really, the only feature I really really enjoyed when I had mine. However, you couldn't route unless connected to WiFi, that kinda stunk.