Phil Schiller Goes on Offensive Against Android and Samsung

[duckyforlife]

Android is simpler than iOS

1. Maps?
2. Tap settings and wifi is there ????
3. Not android feature but a handset feature, nexus 4 doesn't have microsd nor removable battery
4. iPad mini ???
5. True
6. Errrr I used swype on Symbian back before android it's NOT an android feature
Stop spouting fud

I have an Apple iPhone 4 currently because I got my Samsung Galaxy S3 stolen a month ago.

1. Maps I'm not sure about because I've never used Apple Maps, but based on what I've heard, Google Maps is superior to Apple Maps.
2. With Android, from any screen, or being in most apps Netflix is one exception), you can swipe down the notification curtain on Android then simply tap Wi-Fi to turn it off or on automatically. With my iPhone 4, it's click Settings (whether it be on your home page (or one page to the right of my home for me), then Wi-Fi, then turn on. So only one extra step on iOS. Or the same amount of steps if your "Settings" app is on your home page.
3. True, not all Android handsets have MicroSD card slots.
4. Now you're talking about tablets, OP was comparing phones only.
5. I don't know what OP's original 5th reason was.
6. Whether Swype was on phones/OS before Android or not, it's not currently on iOS. I miss it SO much. To me, not having Swype is the biggest downgrade from leaving Android for iOS. 2nd is the screen size on my iPhone 4 makes it seem like a joke of a toy compared to the Galaxy S3.

No I'm not an Android fanboy, I actually want a Nokia Lumia 920 (or Lumia 928 for Verizon if the rumors are true). Also own (typing on it now) an Apple MacBook.

 

[philips]

Android is often given a free replacement for a feature phone and the experience isn't as good as an iPhone.

I know it's hard to believe, but some people actually want to use the phone as a phone. Even some dumb-phones are OK for many, many people.

I would have went with iPhone - instead of the Samsung's S3 Mini - if only Apple offered at least something special relevant to me.

Most relevant to me is the battery life. Yet, with the most optimizations applied, neither iPhone nor Android can go more than 2 days without recharge. Compare that to my last dumbphone which could go for a week without recharge.

P.S. VLC on Android is sweet. As usually, plays anything and everything. Without conversions/etc - it just plays whatever you throw at it.

P.P.S. Oh. Yes. Minor but still nice: Sammy includes very good headphones (earbuds) with the Galaxies. Unlike the Apple's included cheap *beep* - because they want you to cash out $80 for their earbuds.

 

[jclardy]

I would totally agree one year ago. But today it just isn't really the case anymore.

Most high-end android phones now cost nearly the same price as the low-end android crap. And the experience of the S3/Nexus4/One X is quite acceptable.

I am quite happy with my iPhone, but the platform is in need of some software innovation rather than just resting on its laurels.

 

[jsw]

This site needs to be renamed Rumors.

Seems everybody here is against Apple. So please leave . Go to some android forum .

Oh. Wait. There isn't one that has more than 10 people on it.

I'm not against Apple. I'm against them resting on their laurels. Android has made enormous leaps in just the past year. iOS has languished. I expect more, and I'm disappointed with what they've done. I have high hopes for what Ive can do, but so far? They're losing. Proof? Schiller's attacks.

iOS used to be a clear and obvious choice for anyone except those who couldnt' afford and iPhone and/or just hated Apple. Now? There are many compelling reasons to switch. There shouldn't be.

 

[The Phazer]

Apple's customers are all of us. Google's customers are advertisers.

Nice line, but sadly increasingly no longer true. Apple's customers seem to be increasingly other bits of Apple, not end users who are buying the goods. The app store blocking third party payment services being linked to was absolutely unquestionably just a way to engineer a **** user experience, and done to generate business for one of Apple's other business units. The OS pushing Apple Maps when it doesn't work is another.

I don't care for all this fanboy crap. I just want my phone to be good. And is scares me if Apple doesn't understand what's wrong with iOS.

 

[GoldenJoe]

It's not Apple's style to launch an attack ad campaign, but I think it might be worthwhile to show the iPhone 5S/6 dominating the S4 (or whatever the Android du jour is), and put the brakes to the Android hype train. Show people fumbling with and dropping an Android phone they need two hands for. Show the 5S/6 smoking the S4 on starting, browsing and posting to Facebook. Show some of the gorgeous iPhone apps next to some of the not-so-flattering Android apps. Show professionals using iPhones/iPads and awkward geeks using Androids bragging about customizing their widgets. End every commercial with the iPhone standing next to the S4, S4 falls over revealing that it was just a cardboard prop, and ask: "Bigger or better?"

 

[AtariMac]

What makes you think Google copied Android? Did Apple invent Unix/Linux as the basis for iOS? Did Apple invent the first icon based OS? Seems Apple is hardly able to claim being completely original.

Show me a phone os that worked like an iPhone before 2007 and I'll tell you I agree with you. The TREO was maybe the best example before the iPhone arrived on the scene and that is a stretch.

The underpinnings of every OS on every device is a copy of UNIX in some way. But the look and feel is an entirely different story. If you don't see the similarities between Android and IOS in look and feel than I guess I'm nuts.

 

[lordofthereef]

Why would an Android user join this forum if they had no Apple products?

I've had a string of Macs, and have a few iOS devices. I now use an Android phone by preference, because it's better.

Maybe the increasing number of Android users here is just an indication that Apple need to wake up and compete better in the phone/iOS space?

There is this strange thought process that goes on (not just here, everywhere) that if you are unhappy with or speak against a certain product, in this case an Apple product, that you are just here to troll because you have nothing better to do. Its unfathomable, to the people that make these arguments, that you actually may very well be an Apple product user simply voicing your opinion. Even crazier is that you are using other products in tandem with Apple. Cross breeding is not allowed!

 

[samcraig]

My phone can convert into 750,000,000 possibilities many of which do things Android can't even dream of. So, not being broken is more than enough, because changing for the sake of changing means that I would be limited to the gimmick like Android uses to draw people and thats just not enough for me. Screen size is another one. I wonder why the iPhone is still the most stolen item in New York instead of the latest Samsung whatever it's called? Crooks steal what is in demand. If screen size was the answer they should be stealing them left and right. Its not like they don't see it from across the room.

Oh please. Do enlighten us. Clearly hyperbole. But what are some important things your iPhone can do that an Android phone cannot?

And your screen size/thief argument is strawman at best - horrible correlation at worst.

Nice line, but sadly increasingly no longer true. Apple's customers seem to be increasingly other bits of Apple, not end users who are buying the goods. The app store blocking third party payment services being linked to was absolutely unquestionably just a way to engineer a **** user experience, and done to generate business for one of Apple's other business units. The OS pushing Apple Maps when it doesn't work is another.

I don't care for all this fanboy crap. I just want my phone to be good. And is scares me if Apple doesn't understand what's wrong with iOS.

Fact. Apple and Google care about making a profit off their customers. Period. Irrefutable.

 

[irDigital0l]

Will Apple counter Samsung event?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1556393/

 

[tkhan456]

See, the problem is now Apple products don't even seem to work well together anymore. iTunes always freezes left and right when trying to sync my iPad, iPhone, my Reminders fail to sync constantly, and there hasn't been anything innovative with apple for a while. After about a 12year run with Apple, I'm now seriously considering alternatives. Google is looking better and better.

 

[fiveainone]

Comes off desperate. If you have nothing to be afraid of, you wouldn't need to bark at the neighboring dog.

 

[rictus007]

Can we just said...."everyone is free to use whatever they want"

 

[genovelle]

When you log in to your Google account on a new, all apps are restored on the device that you've previously installed. Android has always been cloud based, but until 3 years ago didn't work as well.

Garageband is the app that is missing on Android. The rest of it is there. iPhoto/PhotoStream = Picasa/Google+, Google Drive = iWork/iCloud, Google+/Google Talk = Find My Friends. Additionally, anything I search on my desktop through Google is in my search through my phone. Back up of data on device that isn't in the cloud is with Titanium Backup (3rd party).
Even Microsoft is doing something very similar with SkyDrive.

The Android experience is fairly seamless.

I forgot to add that I use Google Play Music which seamlessly picks up my iTunes music that I purchase on my Mac and puts it on the cloud immediately. I don't get video though and maybe in the future, but I doubt it.

How well does any of these apps work when you don't have a connection. My photos are transferred to my computer as well as my docs I use in I work. I can still work on my device or my computer without having to have a connection. I also prefer not to have my emails and data scanned to target me with emails and text advertisements like I get from Google. The fact that I searched for a very unusual disease on Google then started getting offers to go to school to learn how to treat it in my non google email address was unsettling. Most people wouldn't even notice but it stood out to me. I searched my mailbox to see if I had just missed it, but no this was the first one. I prefer a company who I don't owe anything after I buy something from them Android customers are the gift that keeps on giving, just hope that they don't get hacked because they are transcribing everything including voicemails and emails, not to mention your contacts information.

 

[samcraig]

There is this strange thought process that goes on (not just here, everywhere) that if you are unhappy with or speak against a certain product, in this case an Apple product, that you are just here to troll because you have nothing better to do. Its unfathomable, to the people that make these arguments, that you actually may very well be an Apple product user simply voicing your opinion. Even crazier is that you are using other products in tandem with Apple. Cross breeding is not allowed!

Exactly - and has been said several times. I have to laugh at the posters who think so black and white. This Apple Forum. You talk bad about Apple - you hate Apple and don't own any products.

It certainly couldn't be that these people own Apple products and want them to always be the best they can be and/or when they encounter an issue - have it fixed.

Let me tell you - I must be SOME hater to have written Jobs that email asking about the Antenna issue I had and if Apple was going to be addressing it at all. Clearly I was trolling Apple. It couldn't have been because I wanted my phone to work correctly.

 

[Pieira]

I sit in front of a Windows machine at work that isn't my iTunes machine. Getting information back and forth between it is a total pain in the ass.

This.

File manager on android let's me connect to any machine on my network and copy and move files to and from my phone wirelessly.

 

[szw-mapple fan]

PC's are fragmented to hell and they dont suffer. In fact OSX cant perform a single benchmark better than PC in any games.

They don't suffer? Have you ever even used a mac? I have been using one for a year now and I can really see how PC are fragmented. Macs are about great user experiences, not the highest benchmark(but a high one, of course).

 

[genovelle]

iLife for a start. I don't need to worry about AV software, or fanny about with driver installation CD's. Excellent apps like Mail, Calendar, Contacts, FaceTime... not to mention iCloud, and a thriving App Store. I don't need to re-install my OS every year, or unpick the bloatware that's been pre-installed.

You were saying?

And even though the incompatibility lie keeps on going, I have used many items that don't mention mac compatibility or insist on PCs that the PC will go searching for drivers online that are never there but the Mac just starts it right up.

 

[streetfoldsfive]

The funny thing is while the Apple software products are all tied together for a seamless experience that works, you just threw together a bunch of scraps from Google and other junk that won't give the same great experience. Nice fail.

As a fan of both and having just switched from an iPhone 5 to the note I find this truely funny. On my Mac I have always used chrome and google docs. iWork is awful in my opinion and iPhoto is okay. They both work well but one you sign into google it seems pretty seamless to me. I just don't see a great experience on iCloud.

 

[samcraig]

They don't suffer? Have you ever even used a mac? I have been using one for a year now and I can really see how PC are fragmented. Macs are about great user experiences, not the highest benchmark(but a high one, of course).

And my experience has been that my iMac has frozen/spinning beach ball just as often if not more than when I had a Windows machine.

Different experiences. Neither was is a "rule."

 

[szw-mapple fan]

I have an Apple iPhone 4 currently because I got my Samsung Galaxy S3 stolen a month ago.

You can "find your iPhone" the next time your phone is stolen. Does the Galaxy also come with that feature, or do you need an app for that?

 

[MikeAK]

Ahh yes the "Friend" story. Seems to be posted a lot here. A "Friend" has one and doesnt like it (unspecified reason) thus that must mean that it sucks. Couldn't possibly be that:

A) Said "friend" is a non-existant entity
B) Said "friend" is using a pre 4.x Android device
C) Said "friend" has no clue what he's doing

Face it. Android used to be a pile of crap, but for the last 18 months has been a damn fine rival to iOS, with a lot more happening in the way of core OS features. What significant features has iOS had added in that time exactly?

It is actually possible to have a healthy debate, and not resort to childish "its crap because my friend said so" stuff. I use iOS, however I can recognise that Android 4.x is a hell of a good OS now.

Agreed. Good post.

 

[ct1211]

Seemless as in...

The usual stuff. And I agree.

Although its hard not to feel as if I'm sitting by watching as these new android phones keep adding more and more features which I don't have. But his comments about "seamlessness" are true.

Seamless as in, Siri, Maps, 30.00 adaptors, 2007 OS and worst of all (I am also an Apple stock holder) "Seemless" loss' for quite some time. It never occured to me to sell the damn stock when I made the decision to go to android OS that is advancing much much faster. At this point I NEED for Apple to do something besides the smoke and mirrors they have been pulling since the first iPad. Even the resale is getting hit! I bought a 15" retina and 40 days later when the 13" came out I had to switch because I fly weekly. 13" is perfect size but I lost $500.00 on a 40 day old flawless mac. Two years ago, I could have sold it after six months for about $100.00 less. Lets boot Phil and Tim and get someone willing to spend a few of the billions on something that doesnt answer my questions with a question.

 

[szw-mapple fan]

And my experience has been that my iMac has frozen/spinning beach ball just as often if not more than when I had a Windows machine.

Different experiences. Neither was is a "rule."

What iMac are you using? And the OS? Have you ever tried to use Win7 on a slightly older PC? I did that to my 3-year-old old computer and it was so sluggish...

Both have their faults, I guess.

 

[lordofthereef]

I only said it once. How am I repeating?

I edited that out, as I realized it was another person who said it before you. But seriously, is the fact that I said you repeated it the only thing you can refute? Do you ACTUALLY have evidence that all Android fans come here to bash Apple instead of spending time on their forums? Or are you just fabricating a bunch of nonsense? My bet is the latter...