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Phil Schiller Goes on Offensive Against Android and Samsung

Speedy2 said:
Swype. I'd like to have that on my iPhone.

Inter-app communication. I'd simply like to send data from one app to another. Sounds easy, but on iOS you only have clumsy workarounds for that.

I'd like to be able to pick my system browser since Safari is really basic and doesn't sync with my desktop browser.
Same goes for the Maps app.

The list goes on.
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Try path input. Keep in mind that Swype was preceded by Shapewriter, an iPhone app that was released in 2008. They where purchase by Naunce Communications in in June of 2010 and removed from the market. They started a beta for Swype the same month only for Android. So even this special feature started on the iPhone long before Android. Sending data is a no no for phones. I do not want to get to a point where I need to run virus software on my phone slowing it to the speed of XP. I just want it to work and not share my sensitive data or record my calls to my bank and send it to Russia.
I prefer the Safari app that stays out of my way and minimizes the amount if information given to google.
 
AtariMac said:
Being an old timer, I have literally seen this same argument played out over and over again. Apple vs. Atari. Atari vs. Commodore. Apple vs. Commodore. IBM vs. Apple. Atari vs. Intellivision. Intellivision vs. Colecovision. Atari ST vs. Amiga. Mac vs. Windows. OS/2 vs. DOS. Newton vs. Palm. Palm vs. Windows CE.

Regardless of the combatants the arguments are pointless. If you like your IOS device keep using it. If you like Android go enjoy it.

I'm not a huge fan of how Google copied IOS, but I'm not in any position to stop it and if people are comfortable using it I am not going to complain about that either.

Reading these forums lately is like watching FOX News. Bunch of complaining and finger pointing. Grow up.
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Well said!:D
 
Thanks for the laugh Phil! I was an iPhone user and left for the S3. Have had NO issues and the bigger screen has been great. Jelly Bean has given me no issues. Maybe if Apple would innovate again instead of rinse and repeat I would have stayed. You're falling behind the curve.

I still love my Macbook and iPad mini though, but the iPhone I find is lagging behind.
 
philips said:
I know it's hard to believe, but some people actually want to use the phone as a phone. Even some dumb-phones are OK for many, many people.

I would have went with iPhone - instead of the Samsung's S3 Mini - if only Apple offered at least something special relevant to me.

Most relevant to me is the battery life. Yet, with the most optimizations applied, neither iPhone nor Android can go more than 2 days without recharge. Compare that to my last dumbphone which could go for a week without recharge.

P.S. VLC on Android is sweet. As usually, plays anything and everything. Without conversions/etc - it just plays whatever you throw at it.

P.P.S. Oh. Yes. Minor but still nice: Sammy includes very good headphones (earbuds) with the Galaxies. Unlike the Apple's included cheap *beep* - because they want you to cash out $80 for their earbuds.
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VLC on my non-jailbroken iPhone 4S is pretty sweet too. I can throw anything at it and it plays fine as well without conversions.
 
Personally I don't care what people use, but I'm not sure the numbers tell the whole story. For example, my mom has an android phone because it was what was offered to her by Verizon when her old contact ended. They could have given her a baked potato that made calls and she'd be thrilled.

She'll never text, she'll never surf the web, she'll never send and email on it. It is what the Verizon store guy told her she needed.

I suppose they may sell iPhones like that as well, but I haven't heard of that happening.

Dude just wanted to up sell a data plan that she will never use.
 
genovelle said:
Try path input. Keep in mind that Swype was preceded by Shapewriter, an iPhone app that was released in 2008. They where purchase by Naunce Communications in in June of 2010 and removed from the market. They started a beta for Swype the same month only for Android.
I prefer the Safari app that stays out of my way and minimizes the amount if information given to google.
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BTW - I'm still waiting on the thousands of things your iPhone can do that an Android phone can't. Let me know when you have at least a few important things that matter.
 
He's right. I work for a major CE company and we're an Android OEM, but a good majority of people in our company use iDevices for personal use.

Android is not nearly as polished nor as easy to use as iOS as some tech bloggers & journalists make it out to be.

It's not hard - after all, 80% of the UI was aped from iOS - but the other 20% that make up the quirks and inconsistencies add up to a frustrating experience for many iPhone users.
 
AtariMac said:
Personally I don't care what people use, but I'm not sure the numbers tell the whole story. For example, my mom has an android phone because it was what was offered to her by Verizon when her old contact ended. They could have given her a baked potato that made calls and she'd be thrilled.

She'll never text, she'll never surf the web, she'll never send and email on it. It is what the Verizon store guy told her she needed.

I suppose they may sell iPhones like that as well, but I haven't heard of that happening.

Dude just wanted to up sell a data plan that she will never use.
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My dad has an iPhone. No apps. No texts. Doesn't use it except to make calls and use as an iPod.
 
AZREOSpecialist said:
You may want to educate yourselves about how Android is really doing in the marketplace... http://www.electronista.com/article...mphasizes.continuing.apple.samsung.dominance/

Android is down, iOS is up two quarters in a row.
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Well actually, the article you cited notes:

"Apple holds the same percent of the market that its hardware holds -- 37.8 percent. Android overall continues to hold the lead at 52.3 percent, down 1.3 points"

So while your claim is narrowly true, it's noteworthy that - in contrast to Schiller's defensive claims - they're not moving to iOS, since that platform has had zero growth. In fact, 1.3% is so trivial that it may well be within the margin of error.

The salient point is Android's 52.3% to iOS' 37.8.

But moreover, there seems to be a lot of variance in these statistics:

Is Apple iPhone the world's best selling smartphone? Researchers disagree
http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipad-iphone/news/?newsid=3427253
 
pandamonia said:
Yes and thats why your getting your ass kicked by Android.

I have owned the S3, Nexus 4 and the Note 2 and i can tell you fragmentation hasnt hurt my experience one bit.

PC's are fragmented to hell and they dont suffer. In fact OSX cant perform a single benchmark better than PC in any games.

Dont tell consumers its for their benefit you make the hardware and software. Its for your profit only
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you can love android all u want. That's ur choice. But let's not pretend that apple isn't the king right now. Put iPhone up against any single android device and then see who's kicking who's ass.
 
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I tried the LG Optimus G a few months ago and I ended up returning it and went back to my 4S, simply for the fact that streaming music via Bluetooth sounded terrible. Using my 4S it sounded perfect; no difference between Bluetooth and using an auxiliary cable (huge first world problem, I know). Other than that, the Optimus G was great! I might actually look at the next iteration of it when my upgrade comes in September.
 
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This is the difference. An iOS device says it's the latest version but is lacking a lot of features.

You like to be lied to, that nice placebo effect that you have all the latest features on your old device, you don't though.
 
szw-mapple fan said:
You can "find your iPhone" the next time your phone is stolen. Does the Galaxy also come with that feature, or do you need an app for that?
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I can turn this argument around and say that, on Android, I can install software in such a way that even if the theif runs a full restore, it remains intact, finds my phone, plays a sound, takes a picture of the perp sleeping, etc. (Yes, this is actually a real story). Does that mean that Android is better? No... see how silly this argument is? Having to install a (often free) app to get something done is not a hinderance. Truthe be told, I would rather have nothing but the App Store and Settings apps preinstalled on my iPhone, install what I need, and not what I don't.

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StealthGhost said:
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This is the difference. An iOS device says it's the latest version but is lacking a lot of features.

You like to be lied to, that nice placebo effect that you have all the latest features on your old device, you don't though.
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I wish they would have left off the hearing aid thing because, to be fair, it is a hardware related limitation. Everything else is software though.

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sulpfiction said:
Put iPhone up against any single android device and then see who's kicking who's ass.
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This depends entirely on what points are being tested. I could pretty easily devise a test that gives a landslide win to either device, either way. And none of those points would have to have anything to do with screen, battery, storage, etc. Just software and what I can/can't do in a specified amount of time.

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samcraig said:
My dad has an iPhone. No apps. No texts. Doesn't use it except to make calls and use as an iPod.
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I hope your dad isn't getting screwed by one of those "you must pay for data to be able to use a smartphone on our network" plans. (and I seriously mean that)
 
samcraig said:
Then I think the issue is whether or not users know that iphone has this feature and/or android does not.

If one doesn't know Apple has it - they need to seek out that it does and how to use it. Same for the android user.

Both require the user to be proactive regardless.
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Umm... ever booted an iPhone before? It asks on first boot whether you want to enable it. Easier? Definitely.
 
StealthGhost said:
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This is the difference. An iOS device says it's the latest version but is lacking a lot of features.

You like to be lied to, that nice placebo effect that you have all the latest features on your old device, you don't though.
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That chart looks like - dare I say it? - fragmentation. ;)
 
lol sounds like sour grapes for such an outburst, such a shame, I am fed up defending Apple now, I have so many friends that have dumped their iPhone for a Samsung, cos here in the UK it's cheaper and I hate to say but BIGGER! people love it, they will say "I know it's not an iPhone but it only costs x amount" or as I mate I spoke to this week got a free Nexus 7 with his new S3..he has an iPad but fancied a second tablet..and as he said you just can't compete with that.

If only Apple had kept innovating, I saw no reason to upgrade to a 4s and even less so to the 5! when they finally decide to actually do more than the minimum upgrade I'll buy the next iPhone..but it better be soon, if the 5s is a just a faster 5 with the same size format Apple might as well forget it..Samsung will clean up..stupid thing is they are giving away chunks of the smartphone market.

Phil doesn't get it there are tons of people that can't be bothered to upgrade their OS they don't care about fragmentation, they buy a phone and expect it to work, not worry about software updates...
 
bassfingers said:
If I had to choose between having to purchase a Mac at full retail value, or being given any pc I could wish for, I'd buy a Mac.

I'd buy the Mac soley for the issues you are denying
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That's how I roll in school. Use the brand new, high-end 2012 Dell laptops or my very used, much slower in specs 2006 MacBook? MacBook... that is except when I need to benchmark my program against others.
 
gotluck said:
easier, but unfortunately its pretty worthless.. thief just turns the phone off immediately and restores later.
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They can, but they don't always do that. I can't give any statistics, but thieves are first of all usually stupid, worthless people in general, and some of them won't know to do this.

My dad's iPhone got stolen, and the thief left it on as it was tracked to China.

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bozzykid said:
Seriously? Someone actually uses Find my friends? And iWork? You must be joking.
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iWork as opposed to what? What is better than iWork on iOS?
 
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