Uh, Apple doesn’t install MDM software on user devices.
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I don’t think Phil is the one lying. Better look in the mirror. Or at your post history (lie after lie).
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Phil Schiller Lays Out Apple's Case for Cracking Down on Screen Time Monitoring Apps
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Uh, Apple doesn’t install MDM software on user devices.
Got anymore lies for us?
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I don’t think Phil is the one lying. Better look in the mirror. Or at your post history (lie after lie).
This seems like an convenient excuse by Apple to limit competition. So let me understand this; apple believes MDM is appropriate for corporations to control phones they own but provides too much access and control for parents over their children's phone. Nonsense! Parents should have unfettered access to control their children's phones however they like, including taking them away altogether if they deem it appropriate. This is just a BS excuse by Apple.
Actually yes, those apps should've never been allowed on the app store, they were probably able to hide how they worked in order to get by. I sincerely hope that's how they got on and that they just weren't allowed by Apple even knowing they were misusing MDM. The only way I can see this being the case is that Apple made the choice to allow an app offering features which users were demanding but that they were unable to produce at the time, even though it went against their rules because there was enough of demand and they would face public ire for not allowing it. It's the damned if you do, damned if you don't argument.
The developers of the apps weren't ignorant of the fact that the apps they made went against the app store guidelines, they just hoped they could squeak by and remain untouched. Claiming innocence after the fact to a writer, and paper, who is generalizing every bit of his article to incite dimwitted mob mentality against his target is pathetic. It's laughable that this Jack Nicas is considered a tech writer.
Oh you mean my opinion that doesn’t blindly defend Apple no matter what day in day out, and questions their actions like this one which screams hypocrisy, like how long have these apps been available? On a store that apparently vets every single app for your safety and security...
But you carry on believing Apple isn’t a giant corp that only wants your dollars and to please the share holders.
And no I won’t leave their platform for someone else.
You also miss my positive posts about Apple, cause you only concentrate and see the opinions and posts that don’t agree with your own and hit out!
And I presume you do not believe any articles written on Mac Rumors? I mean you have ‘attempted’ to dis-credit an article posted on this sites sister site, ergo if you don’t believe the interviews and stories carried out by the staff on Touch Arcade, then you can’t believe the interviews and stories posted on its sister site Mac Rumors.
Perhaps you should learn who Touch Arcade are and actually read the story before looking like a fool trying to discredit it... because to do so is to dis-credit Arn and Mac Rumors.
Your last sentence is literally discrediting the Touch Arcade team and proclaiming they don’t know what they are doing, or Arn who set it up... hmm why are YOU here if you don’t believe anything posted?
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I wonder if one can even make it as a journalist these days without strong bias (statistically, that would be left-leaning) and being a self-appointed "change agent".
To milk the 30% until the idea is assimilated into iOS.
So, now everyone knows that Tim Cook's campaign to get more independent developers on board is just temporary for your new ideas then you get booted.
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Articles are just paid ad placements so don't expect anything unbiased.
Lying to the courts is perjury. Are you sure you don't want to erase this bit of hyperbole? The recent trial showed nothing of the sort.
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So by your opinion, apple now has a losing strategy? Get the app for the money and then boot the app. And "copy" the idea and then boot the app. Copy is in quotes, because like the fashion industry copying a lapel size is all the rage.
1) Apple does not use MDM technology (I mean, they may use it internally, but they do not pre-install MDMs on phones they sell).
2) They do not collect “far more data from ever user.” They collect almost no data by default. You can opt into certain data collection, and almost all of that is completely anonymized.
3) Apple goes out of their way to architect their features in such a way that Apple has no need or ability to see your personal data. People bitch and moan about Siri and say that it isn’t great exactly because Apple does not collect your data.
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They started cracking down when they learned about what Facebook was up to and what google did.
And speaking of “what evidence,” where is your evidence that apple “collect all that information for itself?” Because they say they do not, and people who run packet sniffers and custom vpns to see what information gets transmitted have found no evidence that apple is lying.
What evidence do you have that this is a lie? https://www.apple.com/business/site/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf
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The truth is left-leaning.
You seem to think they can't all be liars. Why is that somehow impossible? Lying to the newspapers about not knowing why their app was removed makes them look like innocent little app creators fighting an evil corporation rather than app creators who might be after private information on children (not a very good image, you'll agree. Nor one, I'm sure, that you'd consider as honest, truthful and incapable of lying). But let me ask you this: if one of these app creators said to you, "Here's my app, it'll help cut down on your kid's screen time. You'll love it, and don't worry, it's totally safe." Given what you know about the app using MDM...Would you say, "What an honest and truthful guy. I'll download this for my kid right now," or..."Um...no thanks"?
That said, and going along with my "anything's possible" view...assuming they're all telling the truth and Apple didn't explain why the apps were taken down STILL doesn't make Apple the villain of this piece, however much you may want them cast them in that role. Why not? Well, If the rules of the App store are "privacy, privacy, privacy" and anything that might compromise that is removed, then Apple may have felt the reason for the removal evident. Even obvious.
I mean, I don't know what in the contract for putting up Apps in the App store, but I'm betting it includes something like "If your app compromises user privacy it will be removed..." in big bold type. And from what everyone is saying here, it's a little difficult to incorporate MDM into an app and be ignorant about the fact that it can be used to invade a users privacy.
https://mobilesyrup.com/2019/04/22/...and-up-regarding-how-it-feels-about-qualcomm/
Apple has been loudly complaining that Qualcomm was overcharging them yet the outcome of the partial trial was apple paying more than before.
If apple truly believed that they were being unfairly overcharged, why did apple agree to pay even more?
More than one internal email from apple said qualcomm's engineering was the best and the value of qualcomm's patent portfolio was the strongest for modem tech. Complete opposite of what apple was complaining about in public.
"Adam Mossoff, a law professor at George Mason University told The Washington Post. “It potentially reveals that Apple was engaging in a bad faith argument both in front of antitrust enforcers as well as the legal courts about the actual value and nature of Qualcomm’s patented innovation.”
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OTOH, parents are using these apps because Apple has yet to provide a mechanism for monitoring and managing usage by kids. I agree and support Apple pulling 3rd party, unregulated MDM solutions. Now... Apple... how about YOU provide a solution to this very real problem scenario!
If you read the article, Apple did not tell the app developers why their apps were being yanked. Classic Apple: good idea, poor execution.
That being said, there should be no tolerance for apps collecting data without consumer knowledge. I just think Apple can help itself once in a while...
Collected data that is anonymized is still violating personal privacy.
Regarding how much data apple collects, they collect a lot. They track when (how many times per day) you unlock your iPhone and how (password or biometric).
https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/18/11454976/apple-iphone-use-data-unlock-stats
Correlation does not causing, especially from an opinion piece. You are making a conclusion on an article that has the "might" in it. One opinion, begats another opinion.
You should scrutinize everything you read these days, as everything seems to be agenda driven. It'd be awesome to have simple information reporting sources, but that's boring and doesn't generate as many hits as sensational and biased reporting does. The reality tv mob doesn't care for factual anything, just tell them what they need to think and point them at anyone who doesn't share the same viewpoint. Those people called "influencers" also count on the same ignorance of their viewers.
Okay, a three year old article, where much has changed. All of this can be turned off and not sent to apple. Basically a red-herring.
"Thank you for being a fan of Apple and for your email......."
No company should treat their customers as "fans"; that implies a level of arrogance that the people that pay money for products are simple "fans" (you can substitute fanboi and it still makes sense) that will still stick through the company's decisions, good or bad, with the blind abandonment of a "fan" as opposed to someone who can make an informed decision.
No company should treat their customers as "fans"; that implies a level of arrogance that the people that pay money for products are simple "fans" (you can substitute fanboi and it still makes sense) that will still stick through the company's decisions, good or bad, with the blind abandonment of a "fan" as opposed to someone who can make an informed decision.
Of course Apple waited until it had its own Screen Time feature before putting pressure on, or kicking out, misbehaving child monitoring apps.
Imagine the furor if they had, to paraphrase, stripped children of their anti-addiction protection while providing no alternative. Horrors! (s/)
So Apple had to wait until it had a capability of its own, offered for free, before cracking down on apps that were providing Apple with sales revenue. That’s some weird anti-competitive behaviour. As a retired journalist I have to wonder why the NYT reporter did not immediately see the logical fallacy in going for an anti-competitiveness interpretation.
Imagine the furor if they had, to paraphrase, stripped children of their anti-addiction protection while providing no alternative. Horrors! (s/)
So Apple had to wait until it had a capability of its own, offered for free, before cracking down on apps that were providing Apple with sales revenue. That’s some weird anti-competitive behaviour. As a retired journalist I have to wonder why the NYT reporter did not immediately see the logical fallacy in going for an anti-competitiveness interpretation.
I still see the word "potentially". People have opinions left, right and center. As to what was paid and why Apple to agreed to it, people are only guessing.
Great. Why didn't they simply advise developers of this policy?
I actually kind of disagree with Apple here.
It has become increasingly clear to me that parents need more control over their child’s devices.
If I want to disable cameras on my kids device I should be able to do so. If I want to create an app blacklist of things they can’t install on the device I should be able to do so. If I want to remove safari, give them a managed browser and create a blacklist of websites they can’t visit I should be able to do that.
This is not possible outside of installing an MDM profile. There needs to be an MDM equivalent for parents and it sounds like Apple is trying to restrict those choices.
It has become increasingly clear to me that parents need more control over their child’s devices.
If I want to disable cameras on my kids device I should be able to do so. If I want to create an app blacklist of things they can’t install on the device I should be able to do so. If I want to remove safari, give them a managed browser and create a blacklist of websites they can’t visit I should be able to do that.
This is not possible outside of installing an MDM profile. There needs to be an MDM equivalent for parents and it sounds like Apple is trying to restrict those choices.