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Phil Schiller on iPhone XR Display: 'If You Can't See the Pixels, at Some Point the Numbers Don't Mean Anything'

boomer11 said:
imagine defending a company for making a 720 display in 2018 and charging 800 bucks for it :D

and then lying to yourself and saying you cant tell the difference from a 720p movie and a 1080p movie. yikes!
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I have to say that, having been a fanboy since the Mac Plus: is it Stockholm syndrome that is causing some Apple users to defend this indefensible behavior by Apple? It's a trillion dollar company that lets the tail wag the dog, Tim Cook is not your benevolent great uncle, and they are not holding your cat hostage or something.

The primary obligation of a consumer is to consume responsibly and Apple has subverted this – or rather Apple’s fans have subverted this, just as they are doing now.

The XR starts at €850 in the EU. Good grief. That's a helluvalot of premium to pay just to stay with iOS and tout a 2018 device with half the PPI of a 2008 phone.
 
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Do people denying that people can see the visual effects of a 326 PPI not see the X and Plus as any sharper either? Why do you think Apple went higher then on higher end models?

Congrats you lucky people, your eyes won't push you to the more spendy models, lol. Personally I don't want to make a lateral move from my 7's PPI, where the jagged edges around text and the curves of icons are pretty clear to me.
 
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thering1975 said:
but can ya watch even 1080p youtube on it, nope. PPI is a misleading reference when (according to macrumours text) they were discussing resolution, i cant see the pixels on my 4k tele, but i sure as hell can tell the picture quality between that and 1080p
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thering1975 said:
well in fairness, i can tell the differnce even on youtube vbr on 4k hdr 60fps on my phone as opposed to a 1080p stream

difference is, the xr cant display 1080p, so sorry but 720p youtube whilst okay on a £700-800 quid phone is taking the piss, people can spin it however they like, but the only people laughing are the apple board and shareholders, and it is at the customers expense.
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You misunderstand what YouTube does with less than 1080p displays. Even the iPhone SE with its 4.0” display is capable of displaying 1080p content. While it’s true the 326 ppi iPhone displays can’t display 1080p content at its native resolution, 1080p content can certainly be displayed, it’s automatically downsampled to fit the available resolution.

Question. Which looks sharper: 1080p content downsampled to fit the 828 pixels of the XR, or 1080p content upsampled to fit the 1125/1242 pixels of the XS/XS Max?
 
tipoo said:
Do people denying that people can see the visual effects of a 326 PPI not see the X and Plus as any sharper either? Why do you think Apple went higher then on higher end models?

Congrats you lucky people, your eyes won't push you to the more spendy models, lol. Personally I don't want to make a lateral move from my 7's PPI, where the jagged edges around text and the curves of icons are pretty clear to me.
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And how does that affect your day to day life? What % of text would you say is unreadable? How many times have you picked the wrong app because you couldn't make out the corners clearly enough?

Let me help: 0% and 0 times.
 
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kre62 said:
And how does that affect your day to day life? What % of text would you say is unreadable? How many times have you picked the wrong app because you couldn't make out the corners clearly enough?

Let me help: 0% and 0 times.
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Is this where we're at now? Comparing with passable mediocrity just to see/hear no evil towards Apple selling €1000 devices with middling screens? How does it affect YOU that we criticise Apple's cheap-o tactics?

We're talking about the same company that popularised the notion of text on screen being as sharp as fine print almost 10 years ago. What are you trying to prove here?!
 
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I will never consider an iPhone XR,it’s ugly,low resolution and relying on old leftover LCD technology and has one camera only yet it’s priced premium-ish.
iPhone X,XS and XS Max are all superior phones.
I’d go as far as to say if XR was the only iPhone,I’d happily switch to Galaxy or some other Android flagship that is supplied with high end technology.
I don’t pay for outdated technology.
 
ColdShadow said:
I will never consider an iPhone XR,it’s ugly,low resolution and relying on old leftover LCD technology and has one camera only yet it’s priced premium-ish.
iPhone X,XS and XS Max are all superior phones.
I’d go as far as to say if XR was the only iPhone,I’d happily switch to Galaxy or some other Android flagship that is supplied with high end technology.
I don’t pay for outdated technology.
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So PPI is the only thing you care about?

The XR has a chip that is 3x faster than the fastest Android phone. The battery will last 2x longer. This is bleeding edge tech. The screen will look great, battery life will be killer, and performance world class.

Like it or not, theres more to life than PPI.
 
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PickUrPoison said:
Native resolution is 828, so 720p content is upsampled.

Which looks sharper: 720p content upsampled to 828 on the XR’s 6.1” display, or 720p upsampled to 1125/1242 on a 5.8/6.5” display?
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LOL or which looks sharper? A video downscaled to 720 or a video freaking displayed natively at 1080 like literally every single phone that has came out in 2018?

Show me a video that displays with a resolution of 828?
 
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boomer11 said:
LOL or which looks sharper? A video downscaled to 720 or a video freaking displayed natively at 1080 like literally every single phone that has came out in 2018?

Show me a video that displays with a resolution of 828?
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So what happens when that 1080p content is upsampled to fit the 1242 vertical pixels available on a 6.5” XS Max?

Get ready for your head to explode: it looks less sharp (fuzzier) than downsampling that same 1080p video to the XR’s 828 vertical resolution.

Here’s another one for you: which looks sharper, 1440p YouTube content displayed on a 1080p display, or 1440p YouTube content displayed on an 828p display?
 
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Tsuchiya said:
I don't think Apple should try and go for the "more affordable" angle when it comes to a $749 phone...I mean it's technically true considering their flagship starts at $999, but still...it's $749.
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It’s not just about the PRICE, it’s about availability of parts. The XR is like the 8+ was last year as the alternate model. Apple has to share OLED screenmaking with Samsung and LG that also make their own phones. There’s a limit to how many OLED screens the industry can make and Apple is already paying bonuses to whoever can get them more. The same with the NAND storage, there’s a finite amount of high capacity modules available and if you look at the storage sizes and chips per phone you’ll see how Apple is managing the most expensive chips for the highest end iPhones and using smaller, cheaper chips in the older models. Again, they’re pre-paying for all the capacity they can get, but it’s not enough.

Apple is charging such a high price because they want to trim demand a bit because they can’t buy more parts as they’re not enough made. So they made the other parts of the X and XS extra expensive simply to justify the higher price, and it’s all metal and glass which is recyclable.

Short story is that because of this, you’ll never see a $500 iPhone X, that’s why they dropped it instead of moving it down. Making new X versions directly competes for parts with the XS versions.. why do that? The XR on the other hand has lower max storage (which means they use cheaper, easier to get chips) and LCD screens, which has plenty of capacity now that OLED is the latest craze. Just like the iPhone 7 has dropped to the “cheapest” iPhone Slot now, the XR is manufactured so that Apple will see efficiency over time as the phone moves to the $450 price point.

Next year, the XR will move down in the A12 spot like the 8/8+ moved down in the A11 spot. Then the hottest most expensive iPhone will REPLACE the X/XS again because OLED and NAND constraints aren’t going away in the 3-4 year timeframe.
 
kre62 said:
So PPI is the only thing you care about?

The XR has a chip that is 3x faster than the fastest Android phone. The battery will last 2x longer. This is bleeding edge tech. The screen will look great, battery life will be killer, and performance world class.

Like it or not, theres more to life than PPI.
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Either you’re a bot or an Apple employee.

Like it or not, there’s more to life than your company being called out for bad decisions.
 
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therunningman said:
Wasn't this the whole point of the term "Retina Display?" They named it due to the fact that the human eye can't distinguish the pixels at a set distance?
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Yes. That’s why they branded the XR “Liquid Retina”. It’s still a higher gamut display than the 8/8+ and it’s almost the same PPI.

The main reason it’s such an odd pixel dimension is that it’s almost exactly 2/3 of the dimensions of the X display. Which means for an App Developer, the X/XS use “Super Retina” 3x assets and the XR uses “Retina” 2x assets Devs are already using on the previous iPhones. The layout engine uses points, and the points are the same on X and XR so there should be minimal work to add the new resolution.
 
otternonsense said:
Either you’re a bot or an Apple employee.

Like it or not, there’s more to life than your company being called out for bad decisions.
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Hey, I've called out Apple plenty of times for its crap. I just don't see why people are so obsessed over a screen that will look razor sharp, but not as sharp as other screens. I'm trying to say it just doesnt matter much in day to day usage. I'd go further and say it doesnt matter at all.

Countless people have said they held the XR next to the XS and couldn't tell a difference, at all, in clarity. Its probably because with pentile, the OLED screens need 450+ppi to functionally match the sharpness of a 326ppi display.

In reality, the plus models with 401ppi displays that have all subpixels are probably the sharpest ever made.

But the XR will still be sharp.

Just like the text on this Macbook Pro is super sharp, and is like 226ppi. It just doesn't matter my bros. You are basing your life on the PPI of the phone display. No one with a life would actually care.
 
PickUrPoison said:
So what happens when that 1080p content is upsampled to fit the 1242 vertical pixels available on a 6.5” XS Max?

Get ready for your head to explode: it looks less sharp (fuzzier) than downsampling that same 1080p video to the XR’s 828 vertical resolution.

Here’s another one for you: which looks sharper, 1440p YouTube content displayed on a 1080p display, or 1440p YouTube content displayed on an 828p display?
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wtf are you talking about? all videos on the xs max is displayed in 1080p. do you know what those black bars are for?

i dont own a 828p display b/c that would be the dumbest thing on earth. i own displays that show native resolutions of videos :D
 
Baymowe335 said:
For the tech inside, it is...it's a bargain too.

Think about your smartphone. You take it wherever you go. It replaces your every day camera. It replaces your music player. Your alarm. Your web browser. You watch videos. You shop. You order things. You get support and software updates. You use it more than any device you own. You can use it for years. Is $749 really that expensive when it's such a useful device?

We pay $400 for blenders in America.
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So why did they kill the iPhone SE? It had every useful feature you listed, and it sold for ~ $300.
 
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boomer11 said:
wtf are you talking about? all videos on the xs max is displayed in 1080p.

i dont own a 828p display b/c that would be the dumbest thing on earth. i own displays that show native resolutions of videos :D
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You don’t understand resolution of the source vs. resolution of the target screen. 720p, 1080p, 1440p and 4K content can all be displayed full height on an XS Max. 16:9 content will be pillar boxed due to the display being a 19.5:9 aspect ratio.
 
PickUrPoison said:
You don’t understand resolution of the source vs. resolution of the target screen. 720p, 1080p, 1440p and 4K content can all be displayed full height on an XS Max. 16:9 content will be pillar boxed due to the display being a 19.5:9 aspect ratio.
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iphone xs max can not display pixel accurate 2k or 4k video. its physically impossible. that's why it has to be downscaled to 1080.

same as the xr cannot physically display true 1080p videos.

now going from 1080 to 2k on a phone isn't noticable to me on a phone but going from 720 to 1080, lol yeah i can tell. apple fan boys are lying to themselves if they cant see the jump from 720 to 1080. but whatever floats your boat and your wallet
 
boomer11 said:
iphone xs max can not display pixel accurate 2k or 4k video. its physically impossible. that's why it has to be downscaled to 1080.

same as the xr cannot physically display true 1080p videos.

now going from 1080 to 2k on a phone isn't noticable to me on a phone but going from 720 to 1080, lol yeah i can tell. apple fan boys are lying to themselves if they cant see the jump from 720 to 1080. but whatever floats your boat and your wallet
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I never said pixel accurate, i was quite clearly talking about re-sampling.

The fact is 1080p content looks excellent when downsampled to 828. In fact, the apparent sharpness increases the more it’s downsampled. Noise also decreases.
 
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I never said pixel accurate, i was quite clearly talking about re-sampling.

The fact is 1080p content looks excellent when downsampled to 828. In fact, the apparent sharpness increases the more it’s downsampled. Noise also decreases.
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i'll have to take your word for it b/c no one is dumb enough to make a 828 screen so who knows what it looks like. apparently you somehow do though....

btw 1080p content also looks excellent natively at 1080p again, like every single phone in 2018. the fact that you are trying to argue that downscaling or upscaling is somehow GOOD is really hilarious. shows how far apple fan boys really have to go to defend crappy products.
 
boomer11 said:
i'll have to take your word for it b/c no one is dumb enough to make a 828 screen so who knows what it looks like. apparently you somehow do though....

btw 1080p content also looks excellent natively at 1080p again, like every single phone in 2018. the fact that you are trying to argue that downscaling or upscaling is somehow GOOD is really hilarious. shows how far apple fan boys really have to go to defend crappy products.
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The iPhone XR has a vertical resolution of 828.
 
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