WTF are you talking about, there are tons of hands on reviews. They are not like Apple, keeping embargo on reviews because they know it will say "bar is gimmick or meh"
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Phil Schiller Says Apple Tested and Rejected Touch Screen Macs, Finding It 'Absurd' on a Desktop
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WTF are you talking about, there are tons of hands on reviews. They are not like Apple, keeping embargo on reviews because they know it will say "bar is gimmick or meh"
Well, let's talk about that...
EVERY single comment I've seen by people who HAVE a Touchscreen laptop, says that Touchscreen is a GIMMICK that pretty much NEVER GETS USED, and even people who have used stuff like a Wacom Cintiq say that back-pain and Gorilla Arm are DEFINITELY a "real thing".
So, how's THAT for getting-past those "preconceived notions"?
Yes, realize that the plural of Anecdote is not Data; but I don't believe in all the various forums I have seen this same line of reasoning, that I have seen ONE commenter that says "I don't know what I'd do without the Touchscreen on my <x>. I use it ALL the time!"
I don't know what I'd do without the Touchscreen on my iPad I use it ALL the time!
I don't know what I'd do without the Touchscreen on my iPhone I use it ALL the time!
OK guys, enough with the "tired arms" thing.
Having a touch screen is useful, when applicable, and when it makes sense. I mean, that's where your eyes are aiming at. For example, I could see something like switching desktops by swiping the screen, quickly and effortlessly.
Nobody is talking about putting the keyboard on the screen or removing the mouse/trackpad, which are the only scenarios that would require your arms to be suspended continuously.
It takes as much effort to scratch your nose than to touch a button or swipe something on screen. Whoopteedoo. The implementation for touchcreens today make touching the screen mostly optional, by the way.
There's a reason why a bazillion keyboards for tablets have been sold (including Apple, no less), effectively turning a touch-only-touch-screen device into a laptop.
NO ONE is complaining about "gorilla arms" syndrome in that scenario.
Stop sipping the Kool-Aid, damn it.
Having a touch screen is useful, when applicable, and when it makes sense. I mean, that's where your eyes are aiming at. For example, I could see something like switching desktops by swiping the screen, quickly and effortlessly.
Nobody is talking about putting the keyboard on the screen or removing the mouse/trackpad, which are the only scenarios that would require your arms to be suspended continuously.
It takes as much effort to scratch your nose than to touch a button or swipe something on screen. Whoopteedoo. The implementation for touchcreens today make touching the screen mostly optional, by the way.
There's a reason why a bazillion keyboards for tablets have been sold (including Apple, no less), effectively turning a touch-only-touch-screen device into a laptop.
NO ONE is complaining about "gorilla arms" syndrome in that scenario.
Stop sipping the Kool-Aid, damn it.
I've seen it and it is a gimmick. How is holding a hockey puck to the screen a wonderful interface?
Hmm, you sound like those who initially dismissed the iPad as "just a large iPod Touch".
Lack of vision is the key here. But what Phil says makes sense once you take into account that Apple's visionary is dead and there really is no one left to fill that gap.
Microsoft on the other hand...
This is the issue....
Remember when Windows 8 came out?? It had big cartoony silly "buttons" & didn't feel like a real OS anymore.
It seemed optimized for finger painting.
It took them years longer to get a new "touch" interface to be decent.
Apple hasn't gone this route.
They cant even figure out an proper OS for the iPad that isnt just an iPod Touch really. What makes you think they can figure this one out 
shocker
shockerIt is a larger iPad Pro with a movable stand running a full PC experience. Saying your arm is hurting from using the iPad?
He should have addressed the "Can you imagine reaching over a 27" IMac screen to plug things in when you can't see the ports"
I use iPad mini. If the screen as the size of desktop pc (27" or so) I am not sure how will I feel having my arm up all time while using it.
What is stopping you from doing that now?
There is a spectacular $20 iOS screen/input-sharing application, Duet Display, built by some ex-Apple engineers that I am SURE could be used for EXACTLY that application. The only question is whether it would be able to relay the "force" information into an application running on OS X.
Yes, I know that Jump and other VNC apps can also sort-of do this; but this App is designed to be superior in performance to those solutions.
http://www.duetdisplay.com/
Because you have to change the OS interface to accommodate fingers instead of being optimized for the precision a keyboard and pointing device offer. Because the touchscreen paradigm makes no sense on a personal computer that already has a keyboard and pointing device. Because it adds cost and complexity without a proportional benefit. Because fingerprints all over the display is nasty. As someone already suggested, try to Remote Desktop from your iPad to your Mac to get idea what it would be like.
Actually I would say it doesn't. I've had notebooks with controls at that level and found it was easier to use shortcuts as I type vs. having to shift my hands. Especially if it is something you may have too do frequently.
Just my opinion. Not buying one.
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I translated this as "We couldn't handle updating the OS".
It's nasty but very useful when you just need to top something on the screen really quick.
It's nasty but very useful when you just need to top something on the screen really quick.
I don't notice any such issues when using Windows 10. And there are well-equipped 2-in-1 notebooks that sell for well under $1k. I recently bought a Lenovo Thinkpad 14 Yoga for $600 during a recent deal - amazing build quality, best keyboard on any notebook I've ever used, and love using it as a tablet when the occasion fits. And finger prints don't really show very much - they're not an issue on our iPhones so why would they be on a notebook?
I hope you were being sarcastic; otherwise, you proved my point. Touch for touch-sake doesn't make sense on a laptop and even less so on a desktop. But it DOES make sense on a Tablet or Smartphone, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN YOUR HANDS!
Well I have one and don't find it gimmicky at all. Quite useful in fact.
And "Tapping really quick" on a Trackpad nearly the size of an iPad mini isn't good enough, why?
I'm not that concerned about the Toolbar but more the watered-down "pro" internals and the overly forward looking port philosophy. Thin is great but I think Apple sacrificed too much for "thin" and lost the "pro" part of the equation.
Why does it have to be compromised? Compromised how, exactly? We're not talking about taking away functionality here (like Apple often does in some way, shape, or form). Were talking about adding another option. Imagine swiping between desktops from the screen (where your eyes are), or zooming in precisely where you want to, instead of having to move your hand to the trackpad, postition the cursor on the right location, then zoom in. There's no need to turn macOS into iOS, but you can build in some multitouch functionality where it would be useful.
The problem is that (almost) EVERYBODY using Windows 10 is using touchscreens. And what you call "impractical", and a "compromised experience", is now the norm on the PC side. Good luck bringing these people to the Mac. Microsoft is bringing in the future, now.
Well, we already know. Phil and Tim have been clear: More of the same, but thinner and in Pink, I mean, Rose-Gold.
This'll hurt Apple in the long-term. Not with its fans, so much, but switchers will be in decline.