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Lack of innovation. Of COURSE it'd be absurd if you had to reach across your desk. But look at the Surface Studio, how it moves and adjusts to be at the PERFECT drawing angle. THAT is innovation!

What if, while you are drawing, you get an email or need to communicate with your team using, say, Slack, frequently? You drop the pen, type on a keyboard with the display at the drawing angle, maybe use the mouse while at it, then switch back to the pen & so forth.

It could get awkward pretty fast, the mixture of all the 5 (five!) input methods. Pen / touch screen / keyboard / mouse / the wheely & switching between them & apps.

How handy is a Surface Studio in any scenario, where you collabotare with others as a part of your workflow, or you work with apps not optimised for the pen / wheely / touch screen input?

Pen & a Wacom at least lets you keep the screen at an optimal angle for all tasks, as opposed to adjusting the screen ad infinitum during the day, or typing with the screen at an awkward angle.

Surface Studio is as a niché product as a product can be.
 
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You mean they one that starts at $3,000, was introduced by an oily car salesman who looked to be from the show Jersey Shore, the machine you've reviewed and tested extensively and is for a niche user base? The iMac starts at 1/3 its cost btw.
I don't think you said a single accurate thing in this entire post ... except for the starting price of the Studio. And the 5K iMac starts at $1800 ... but they are wildly different products and the screen on the Studio alone is why it costs so much.
 
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if schiller said it then 'it must be true'

in the mean time microsoft just released a gorgeous touch screen / pen enabled 28" computer that apple should have released

apple is behaving like when blackberry said customers loved they phone with a physical keyboards

apple will be bankrupt or sold very soon
surface studio is for designer only, while iPad Pro did the similar thing.

I do agree that ss looks really cool, but after a second thought... Is it really useful???

You can't really communicate with it by finger with great experience in the stand mode, and you can't really type when its laid down.

Thus it is only for designers who spent large portion of time on it for drawing only tasks.

BTW, though iPad Pro 12.9 don't have a screen that large, but its much more convenient & affordable, plus that apple pencil does have a better performance than surface pen (there are quite a few reviews on that)
 
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I can see both sides of the argument. Right now I am writing this on a mid-2013 MacBook Air. I have a Dell XPS 13 developer's edition with touchscreen running Ubuntu Mate 16.04 and also a Lenovo Yoga 2, running Ubuntu Mate, 16.04. Do I take advantage of the touch screen? Rarely. Am I unhappy that both are touchscreen devices? Not really. Does the touchscreen affect their overall functionality. No, not that I have seen, and I have had the XPS 13 for over two years now. I just don't use the touchscreen much because I cannot stand fingerprints, smudges, and yuck on my screen. Call me OCD, but I have always been that way. I also have an iPad mini that I usually use a stylus with. I do clean the screen of frequently for the same reason I don't use the touchscreen on my Ubuntu-running devices.

It would be nice to see the option there for people who want it. I know a lot of people who like that idea. It's really personal. I think the touch toolbar is a gimmick and doesn't add any benefit, for me, to the MacBook.

What really concerns me is the decrease in number of ports, removal of the SD card reader (important to me as I do a lot of photography), and now the necessity of dongles coming out the wahzoo!! An oversized trackpad is not conducive to the way I type. Sigh... But that is a different discussion for a separate post.

Just my opinion and I am sticking with it. :)
 
I guess it all depends on the form factor. The way microsoft did the slate, looks like it could also apply to Apple's products, if they chose to go that way.

Are you trying to spark a new wave of patent litigation - this time Microsoft sues Apple ?
 
The saddest thing about this is that they aren't saying they are opposed to it out of some design principle or other deep reason. Rather, they just couldn't figure out how to do it well. Which is an engineering and design problem, the sort of thing Jobs excelled at. They're basically admitting that they're no longer smart enough to come up with (admittedly difficult!) design solutions to the sorts of complex computer design problems the future will hold. They aren't even saying no one else will solve these problems, or that they are impossible to solve, or that touch isn't the inevitable future. They're just saying they can't figure it out themselves, and are basically just going to wait for someone else to.
 
I think the touch bar is a perfect solution, to touch screen. Just have anything I would need to touch in the toucher, and then my hands wouldn't have to move from the keyboard.
But then you have to look down at the Touchbar and away from the screen. You can touch type with a tactile keyboard, but touch emoji?
 
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This is true, the positioning is better. But you are still dealing with a horrible OS for touch. Windows 10 does not do a good job of fixing this issue.
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Possibly with a new OS where it makes sense, but not with macOS.
So why do we have Launchpad in macOS? Every time I launch it, my immediate reaction is to touch the screen. It looks exactly like iOS.
 
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Really am not sure what the obsession is with touch screen on a Mac. A feature just to have a feature, maybe? I have an XPS15 and can count on one hand how many times I've used the touch interface. Leave touch to mobile. Point and click makes too much sense on a desktop.

Just change for the sake of change.

Exactly. Imagine pulling the Surface Studio's large display down close to your table when you want to touch, and then back up, past verticle, when you want to type - along with repositioning the keyboard each time. Over and over again.

It does have a place for professionals like graphic artists. For regular users, it would become annoying very quickly.
 
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The touchbar is actually in a wrong place. It would have been better placed below the space bar although there would be some other issues.

Wow. You've never used it, yet come to the conclusion it's "in a wrong place," then contradict yourself, conceding there would be "other issues" with that placement. You could have said the same thing in less words by simply stating "I don't know anything about this subject."
 
The truth of the matter is that macOS would have to be fundamentally revamped in order to allow for the touch points needed for a touch-centric interface. With the PC market dying the slow death that it is, I don't think Apple feels its a worthwhile investments to spend so much $$ to re-imagine an OS for a shrinking market. And its hard to argue that they're wrong in that.

I won't argue with that...but I think people are taking issue with what Schiller said...not what you are able to extrapolate...
 
You mean they one that starts at $3,000, was introduced by an oily car salesman who looked to be from the show Jersey Shore, the machine you've reviewed and tested extensively and is for a niche user base? The iMac starts at 1/3 its cost btw.

No, he wasn't talking about the Mac Pro.
 
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I cannot believe anyone thinks a touchscreen would be a worthwhile compromise on a desktop. Far too many compromises for essentially no gain. It would be like refrigerator-oven combo.
 
Silly way to look at it imo. Give customers the option to use the computer they way they want to. Some would like to touch the screen some will just use the mouse and keyboard. Whats wrong with choice.

You already have a choice, it's called an iPad. You can even pair a keyboard with it, and there is a version with the same size screen as a MacBook.
 
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Schiller said that "we're absolutely more sure than ever that we've done the right thing," because of the standard that USB-C is set to become.

It's funny how Apple goes to the bleeding edge in some areas like USB-C but stays ultra conservative in other areas such as continuing to sell computers with 5400 RPM spindle drives in them to this day.
 
It's strange as it seems Microsoft and Apple are switching sides and it's Microsoft who are trying things out and Apple are stuck in a rut.

I would love a touch screen on an iMac.
 
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