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People who use machines with a file management system, plug in usb drives, use a mouse or touchpad, have preview and finder, background multi-tasking, use desktop-grade software beyond spoon-fed apps are basically playing 8-dimensional chess. ipad "Pro" users don't need such antiquated, sophisticated solutions to enhance their workflow.

Yes for those people, probably less than 10% of computer users, an iPad wouldn’t work well.
 
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The word "replace" is in the title so ...

People who use machines with a file management system, plug in usb drives, use a mouse, have preview and finder, background multi-tasking, use desktop-grade software beyond spoon-fed apps are basically playing 8-dimensional chess. ipad "Pro" users don't need such antiquated, sophisticated solutions to enhance their workflow.
 
This is the very first sentence:

the iPad Pro can be both a PC replacement

My answer to that is: no!
 
Fine. Spend a minimum $5000 for a 27" iMac Pro w/ last year's Bluetooth, that fugly biga** chin/forehead bezel (painted space grey; ooh!!!) & lack of "courage" because it still has a standard headphone jack.

lol Dude, if Google is a brothel, then Apple is just a *********.

Three's Company episode when Chrissy's old friend from high school visits, & Janet discovers that friend is now a *********. Janet mistakeningly calls her a 'hooker', to which the friend takes offense to. Janet asks whats the difference. The friend says: (smirking) "Hookers don't drive Ferraris."

So you keep the Apple-users-are-elitists MYTH/FACT debate going calling Google a filthy brothel, while Apple does the same thing to get its customers off (!), only at tripple the price & frillier window dressing.

Enjoy getting your whistle wet & your pockets picked faster, while going longer & longer between encounters. lol $5k for a minimum spec 27", non-user-serviced iMac 'Pro'.

i think you completely missed what the quoted poster was saying about brothels.
 
It is all I need for my iPad to replace my work computer which exists only to give me VPN access and a portal into our Linux servers.

I can understand needing it for certain things. I’m more arguing that it’s still a computer even if it can’t do everything for you.
 
Well said. It’s great we have both options. Although I question/wonder where macOS is headed in the future. The iPad is just another choice of computer, just as the MacBook and iMac are. Use what works for you.
macOS will be around for quite some time.
there are millions of people who are using macOS professionally with software designed for macOS..
it's basically impossible for Apple to ditch macOS without giving a 5+ year heads up.
 
It sure can replace the MacBook. But not in a "Pro" way. The device shouldn't be labeled "Pro", because it isn't. You can't do any proper 3D modeling, powerful video editing (with Final Cut Pro), use multiple professional apps at the same time intuitively... But I do believe they could achieve this if they worked hard enough. Focus on great apps, add the OPTION of using it like you would use a Mac. Then it is a computer.

Onshape for pro 3d modeling (CAD, not organic), But your point still stands.
 
I do understand your point. And I believe that certainly in use-cases such as yours, the iPad Pro is not a replacement. It’s not totally for me. This whole thread, however, has turned into a ‘iPads can’t do this therefore they are not Mac replacements...’ when in fact, Phil never stated they were replacements for all people. I think this thread has quite frankly gone off the rails. People are bashing the iPad Pro because they can’t run certain programming or gaming software...which likely represents less than 5% of total MacBook sales. For the remainder of the buyers, iPad Pros can replace most of what people are using computers now days for anyway.
Phil is being too much of marketing talk on that one.
I do use the iPad mini 4 on the first floor at home for quick browsing or searching, but the iMac upstairs for all tasks.
As I have stated before, they really need to fix the "request for desktop site" issue in order to replace any computers.
 
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Phil, you are a tool like Tim.

You are the idiot that said Mac Pro my as..

STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO, HOW TO THINK AND WHAT TOOL TO USE TO DO OUR JOBS
 
For them.

That's the distinction. People are using their own personal experiences and opinions of why the iPad isn't a PC replacement for them, and projecting their needs onto the rest of the user populace. Because god knows everyone needs to code iOS apps, or terminal access, or some other extremely niche use case.

The self-styled pro users here are not a niche group. They are a niche of a niche. To be honest, their computing needs simply aren't representative of the needs of the mass consumer, and they need to stop acting like they are the sole arbiters of what makes a PC and what doesn't.


In the same vein, I don't buy a truck even though there might be that handful of times when I might need to move something. I get a car, and hire movers for the few times I need to transport something bulky.

Your quote stated that according to Phil, some people are indeed using their iPad as their only or primary computer. I fail to see what is wrong with that. Is it so hard to imagine that somewhere out there, there is this individual for whom the iPad meets all his needs, and he doesn't need to go turn on a PC ever?

I will tell you why there is such a huge outburst. These people are afraid. They fear what the future portends. A future where the iPad is the general PC for the masses, and the Mac has been relegated to niche market status. And fear turns to anger and denial.

They cannot stop what is to come.

Don’t agree. What I quoted with Phil’s words is that even those who move to an iPad still keep their PC’s. That means the iPad is still not the 100% replacement Apple is pushing.

As for afraid; maybe. My fear, and we are starting to see this more and more, is an evolution of devices from Apple which will offer us a lack of options and a narrow focus of possibilities. With all the issues I am having I am actually considering going back to Windows. Note that it is my desire, rather it has the functionality I need. Concerning.

Your comment on truck vs. car is a bit off. If I need a truck for more than occasionally, I won’t hire, I’ll buy. I makes little sense to hire. Your example is the far side of my words. I’ll buy a car and truck or a truck. The car only option is out.

We all need to be careful, and Phil is correct. Primary vs. Only. Tim’s original was as Only while Phil is saying Primary. While most discussion and example are mapped to Only, in reality Primary is what most do.

Btw - I have a couple of sites, including a couple of financials where they will not run on an iPad. Even if “desktop” is chosen on my IPP. Apple needs to clean up their “definition”.
 
Well said. It’s great we have both options. Although I question/wonder where macOS is headed in the future. The iPad is just another choice of computer, just as the MacBook and iMac are. Use what works for you.

Well said. What is missing is that most/many want to use just an iPad but end up using both.
I share your concern about MacOS.
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They didn’t say Google was a brothel. They insinuated that Google would track you when you go into a brothel.
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The best part of the future is people can choose what works best for them.
I’ll await that day. Based on my current experience with High Sierra and iOS 11 I have my doubts. Apple’s current evolutionary direction is pushing me away from iOS/MacOS o_O
 
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Your comment on truck vs. car is a bit off. If I need a truck for more than occasionally, I won’t hire, I’ll buy. I makes little sense to hire. Your example is the far side of my words. I’ll buy a car and truck or a truck. The car only option is out.

it's way cheaper to rent the truck (ala this analogy) than to buy the truck.. and the rent-a-truck is a lot faster than any truck you'll be buying.

idk, you haven't said exactly what you're using computers for but for a large amount of use cases, you may want to re-think the philosophy.. there's a chance you're missing out on some serious productivity enhancements while spending a lot less money on hardware.
 
it's way cheaper to rent the truck (ala this analogy) than to buy the truck.. and the rent-a-truck is a lot faster than any truck you'll be buying.

idk, you haven't said exactly what you're using computers for but for a large amount of use cases, you may want to re-think the philosophy.. there's a chance you're missing out on some serious productivity enhancements while spending a lot less money on hardware.

Yes I did in broad terms.
I work in Regulatory. In Engineering. I work on ERP and database systems.
iOS doesn’t cut it.

Btw - on the truck/car - you are also minimizing. If a good portion of my daily use requires a pickup truck, I would not buy just a car and hire a truck. Seriously not cost effective. ;)
 
Love my tablet and Mac, but let’s not kid ourselves. If they were shoes, this would be a desktop computer...
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And this would be an iPad...
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I tried using an iPad for mobile computer stuff... and it's not for me. Maybe the Apple Pencil makes it much better, but anything you have to edit with any amount of precision becomes cumbersome on the iPad. And with the relatively small screen size, you have to constantly swipe to access hidden menus, and do a long press to access hidden features.

I'm too locked into using a mouse and key commands to change over to a purely touch interface. The cognitive load to adapt is just too much, and I don't think you gain much. It's not better or worse... just different. I think the difference, for me, is the keyboard on a Mac. With a mouse and modifier keys I can have 5 commands connected to a click, that versatility doesn't compare to the ability to draw and directly interact with the screen.

And a nice thing about light laptops is that they make great iPads. If you carry a keyboard and stand with your iPad at all times it's not much more convenient than a laptop. The built in stand and 'screen protector' is pretty nice convenience of the laptop form.

I sometimes wonder if this iPad push is exclusively because of the 30% app store cut. Now that upgrade treadmill has plateaued, it's a soft push to get people on a platform they make more perpetual money on.
 
Well said. What is missing is that most/many want to use just an iPad but end up using both.
I share your concern about MacOS.
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I’ll await that day. Based on my current experience with High Sierra and iOS 11 I have my doubts. Apple’s current evolutionary direction is pushing me away from iOS/MacOS o_O

The best part of choice is that it isn’t just one company. Apple isn’t doing things that work for you right now. Their software has a lot of bugs and issues. So for now we can look at the ideological direction of this company and others.

Direction versus execution seems to be where they drop the ball so much.
 
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Don’t agree. What I quoted with Phil’s words is that even those who move to an iPad still keep their PC’s. That means the iPad is still not the 100% replacement Apple is pushing.

As for afraid; maybe. My fear, and we are starting to see this more and more, is an evolution of devices from Apple which will offer us a lack of options and a narrow focus of possibilities. With all the issues I am having I am actually considering going back to Windows. Note that it is my desire, rather it has the functionality I need. Concerning.

Your comment on truck vs. car is a bit off. If I need a truck for more than occasionally, I won’t hire, I’ll buy. I makes little sense to hire. Your example is the far side of my words. I’ll buy a car and truck or a truck. The car only option is out.

We all need to be careful, and Phil is correct. Primary vs. Only. Tim’s original was as Only while Phil is saying Primary. While most discussion and example are mapped to Only, in reality Primary is what most do.

Btw - I have a couple of sites, including a couple of financials where they will not run on an iPad. Even if “desktop” is chosen on my IPP. Apple needs to clean up their “definition”.

I see your point on the analogy. Even if my iPad could do like 90% of my work, I would still have to keep a PC around for the other 10% I can’t do.

I do think this whole “iPad as PC replacement” issue is a tad overblown here. I choose to see the iPad as a PC alternative. I like that it doesn’t try too hard to replace a PC, because this frees it up to excel in areas a conventional PC can’t do as well.

If and when the day does come that I can replace my MacBook Air with my iPad, I probably will, but I lose no sleep in the present day just because this isn’t possible yet.
 
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Love my tablet and Mac, but let’s not kid ourselves. If they were shoes, this would be a desktop computer...
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We're on the same page. How I feel about my iPad and laptop. Sure, I can get by with iPad for limited things but if I had to choose only one it definitely wouldn't cut it.

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If Apple made something like the new Windows on Snapdragon hybrid/laptop
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The ad looks like a hint.. soon macbook will get killed. They will leave the PRO and ipad PRO has macOS

So the line-up goes like this
Iphone
Ipad
Ipad pro with macos
Macbook pro
Imac
Imac pro
 
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