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I can certainly say that having been using my iPad Pro almost exclusively, it is not a full PC replacement, iOS has short comings and bugs that PCs do not, including Windows...

But it depends on what you use it for I guess?
 
Hate this ad. This kid is either a complete idiot or thoroughly obnoxious to the neighbour. 'What's a computer?' indeed.
 
Thank you God that I can take off my own hat in life and look the world around me with an open mind. While today there is no way my Mac can replace my iPad pro, iPad, or even my iPhone -- for some NEW to the party - it IS all they have used or learned from and whatever capabilities is DOES have is GOOD enough for that population.

in case I missed something, Schiller was spot on -- on the date of the release of the best iMAC yet.

Scratching my head wondering why this is even debatable.
 
Thank you God that I can take off my own hat in life and look the world around me with an open mind. While today there is no way my Mac can replace my iPad pro, iPad, or even my iPhone -- for some NEW to the party - it IS all they have used or learned from and whatever capabilities is DOES have is GOOD enough for that population.

in case I missed something, Schiller was spot on -- on the date of the release of the best iMAC yet.

Scratching my head wondering why this is even debatable.
Right there with you. Puzzling indeed. It’s as if Phil came out and said no more Mac development because the iPad Pro can replace them all. And ironic indeed this comes out on a day when they release the most powerful computer in Apple’s history.
 
I wasn't aware iOS could run iTunes to sync my iPhone or it could recognize external hard drives. :rolleyes:

Just be a straight shooter and say Apple's main priority is now iOS and macOS is pretty much dead to them or at least doesn't hold much of their attention. It's selling iPhones until the end of time.
 
Phil in Marketing mode.

Nothing more.

If an iPad could replace a computer, you didn't need a computer in the first place.


When are these people ever "not in marketing mode"? It's imbedded in their DNA, they don't know any other way to be :D
 
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Apple's marketing chief Phil Schiller believes the iPad Pro can be both a PC replacement and a supplementary device to the Mac.

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In a wide-ranging interview with T3 about the iPad Pro and other Apple products, including the iPhone X, iMac Pro, HomePod, and AirPods, Schiller said the iPad Pro's exact use case ultimately varies by customer.Schiller added that, for many customers, the iPad Pro becomes their primary computing device, especially while traveling.Schiller acknowledged that this isn't the case for everyone, as some customers may only use an iPad Pro for certain tasks where a tablet can provide a better experience, such as reading or watching movie and TV shows.Schiller referred to the iPad Pro as a computer on a few occasions, which contrasts with Apple's latest "What's a Computer?" ad for the tablet.


At the end of the video, a mother asks her young daughter "what are you doing on your computer?" and the daughter responds by asking "what's a computer?" to imply that the iPad Pro is not a computer.

While the ad might suggest Apple's increasing focus on the iPad over the Mac, Schiller ensured that the company "cares deeply" about its pro customers. "We love that so much is created on Mac," he said.

To address the needs of those professionals, Apple is launching a powerful iMac Pro this week. The company is also working on a modular Mac Pro that will be accompanied by Apple-branded pro displays.

Interview: Apple's Phil Schiller on How the iPhone X 'Seemed Impossible at the Start'

Article Link: Phil Schiller Says iPad Pro Can Both Supplement and Replace the Mac

So, Civilization V stopped working after I updated to 10.13. I was kind of bummed. But I fixed it by creating a HFS+ disk image and changing the install location of the game to the new disk image. How much of that is possible on iOS?
 
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Depends on the user and workload. Reasons I purchased a iMac over iPad:
  • x86-64 Intel processor
  • Full-featured desktop performance
  • Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop
  • Final Cut Pro X
  • OS X
 
It's a computer just like a smartphone is a computer.

The number of computer tasks you cannot do with, say, a MacBook Pro, is very limited.

I can list a huge number of tasks, ranging from very normal to specialized, that the iPad either cannot do or does not do efficiently.

Yet other than pen input, there isn't much an iPad can do that pretty much any laptop/desktop in the past decade can't do, and with better ergonomics.

So sure, the iPad is a computer (as is the iPhone and the Casio FX-991 calculator), but to pretend that it's simply "old traditional" thinking and everyone is just afraid of change is among the most BS arguments I've seen put forth on this forum.

The iPad is just as much computer as a MacBook and people get by just fine with that. My main point is that people need to stop thinking it’s not possible for the iPad to be their only computer. It is, for me and many others. I use it for everything at home and the office. Just because it’s not a sufficient computer for YOU doesn’t mean it isn’t for others. And yes, many people can’t accept this because they hold onto the mentality that it can only be a “real” computer if you can attach storage and mice to it or code on it or one of the many other tasks that just might not be best suited for an iPad to handle. It’s not BS at all.
 
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Apple's marketing chief Phil Schiller believes the iPad Pro can be both a PC replacement and a supplementary device to the Mac.

What a load of carp.
Only way it can remotely be a suppliementary device is with apps that let you turn a 12.9" into a second screen, but by themselves they can't replace a Mac. Someone take the boy out of the room and give him a smack.
 
the daughter responds by asking "what's a computer?" to imply that the iPad Pro is not a computer.

No, that's not what they are trying to say. Quite the opposite.

They are saying that the word computer is obsolete, unknown to the younger generation, since we now have computers everywhere, and with specific names, i.e tablet, smart watch, laptop, smart phone, console etc.
 
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Yeah. And that is the danger of such arguments Phil is making.

It could be that for some people a surface pro can replace the mac AND the ipad.

The surface pro 3 replaced my mac and ipad back in 2014. And now that i've switched to Android, i don't own a single Apple product for the first time since the late 1990s. The Surface isn't perfect by any means, but it's nice having one device do it all.
Also nice not being locked into Apple's increasingly pricey ecosystem either.
 
Phil Schiller comments proves one thing, you can say some pretty stupid things like equating an usability of iPad to the power and capabilities of a computer and still be rich. If that was truly the case, why is Apple selling computers at all? LOL!!
 
I use my iPad Pro 10.5 for school for nearly 90% of what I need, but the other 10% is vital to keep my MBP around so his assessment is spot on. I think Apple has definitely made big strides with iOS 11 on the iPad productivity side too and makes even more compelling as an every day all around device.
It really depends on what you are studying in school.
I am glad that it works for you. However, I studied engineering, and the iPad can maybe type out the lab reports for me at best. (No pSpice, MATLAB, Maple, and don't get me started to talk about the apps for Smith charts...)
So it is very user's use case dependent.
Meanwhile the iPad cannot even perform the very basic of displaying a desktop version of a website, as I have pointed out in the first reply to the thread.
 
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The surface pro 3 replaced my mac and ipad back in 2014. And now that i've switched to Android, i don't own a single Apple product for the first time since the late 1990s. The Surface isn't perfect by any means, but it's nice having one device do it all.
Also nice not being locked into Apple's increasingly pricey ecosystem either.

How is the surface for you as a tablet? I looked at one, nice hardware, but I found it to be primarily a laptop. Solid as a tablet as well? Better than an iPad?
 
In a way, I agree, but only from the point of view from someone that never really needed a personal computer to begin with - someone who only checks their emails and browsers the net, etc.

But for every single other person on earth? Nope. A surface can, but that's because of the OS and the I/O. Can an iPad replace OSX? No. And saying that only discredits the OS, which is a ridiculous thing for someone like Phil Schiller to say.
 
The iPad is just as much computer as a MacBook and people get by just fine with that. My main point is that people need to stop thinking it’s not possible for the iPad to be their only computer. It is, for me and many others. I use it for everything at home and the office. Just because it’s not a sufficient computer for YOU doesn’t mean it isn’t for others. And yes, many people can’t accept this because they hold onto the mentality that it can only be a “real” computer if you can attached storage and mice to it or code on it or one of the many other tasks that just might not be best suited for an iPad to handle. It’s not BS at all.

The BS argument I see you make what seems like every single day on here is that people who can't make it work as their main computer are somehow stuck in an "old" mentality. People can use their phone as their only "computer" and do pretty well all the same things an iPad can, I'm not denying that.

The list of things you can't do with an iPad however is extensive, and doesn't just affect some class of power-users. Normal things often require all kinds of workarounds or simply can't be done.

You don't get to simply write off all the shortcomings as if everyone is just a naysayer, clinging to the past, or afraid of change. That is not an argument.

One of my parents uses an iPad as their only "computer" (other than their phone, of course), but then I could just as well give them any computer from the past decade and they'd manage equally well.
 
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Where is Terminal.app ? I want to access all the UNIX Goodies...

Where is the Firefox html render engine ? I want to have freedom of choice.

Where is the alternative app store ? I want to choose my software distributor.

European commission! Please ACT ASAP.
Multi Billion Penalty NOW or forbid the entry to the market of the EU.
 
Yours too? My mom wastes countless hours every day trolling newbs on stackexchange and complaining that she can’t run her tcp hacking tools on her iPad mini becaue she doesn’t have root or gcc. I don’t know what she’s talking about half the time.

Hahaha thank you for this. I’m glad there’s at least a person or two here that doesn’t think they are the only ones that Apple is making products for.
 
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